http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ en Fri, 24 May 2013 13:55:23 +0000 http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/family-in-dire-health-crisis-in-lakewood-area#post-465656 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:42:07 +0000 ChanieE 465656@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I spoke with Naomi at Chai Lifeline and she said I could post her cell phone number for credit card donations. 908-770-5145 </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shidduch-crises-solutions/page/4#post-465654 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:38:35 +0000 ubiquitin 465654@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Also DY,<br /> On your imaginary planet it us a mathematical truism that the dating demographics changed? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/shidduch-crises-solutions/page/4#post-465653 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:35:13 +0000 ubiquitin 465653@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>DY<br /> why would I when that is clearly false.<br /> I agree with the rigidity/conformity issue </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465651 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:20:42 +0000 gavra_at_work 465651@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>I'm not one for extra chumras but if i had to be in front of a group of men, especially 25000, i would definitely want to have my face covered. </em></p> <p>I agree, and this was my reason. Not for Tznius, but sheer embarassment and/or stage fright. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/is-smoking-mutar/page/2#post-465649 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:09:11 +0000 benignuman 465649@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>zvei dinim,</p> <p>Reuven decides to smoke one cigarette a year. He does not plan or expect to smoke a second cigarette that year. He is full control of his faculties and not dependent on anyone else's choices. On what grounds can you say it is assur for him to smoke his cigarette?</p> <p>This is not a case where he is subject to someone else's bechira (which he can't control). He is in full control, and he is not expecting to be unable to resist the temptation (in contrast to someone who knows that under torture he will serve A"Z, chas v'shalom). </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/imaginary-friends-teddy-bears-dolls#post-465648 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:08:25 +0000 popa_bar_abba 465648@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Maybe the thread is not a joke, but the animal hugging is. Like, maybe they thought it was cute to have a stuffed animal again. </p> <p>I like stuffed animals. I have one my uncle gave me that is very very big, like maybe 2 and a half feet tall. I brought it to yeshiva once because I thought it was funny. (And because I'm psychotic) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465647 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:05:07 +0000 popa_bar_abba 465647@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>pba: You're being unfair. An anti-Semite is someone who is prejudiced against Jews solely for their being Jewish. Someone who is prejudiced only against those more religious than him can be called anti-Torah, anti-God, anti-religious, etc. But I think anti-Semite is unfair. Or he could just be a hardcore Misnaged :P</em></p> <p>You are correct, I don't think my definition of anti-semite would include this. </p> <p>But I'm not being unfair, since I don't think being an anti-semite is worse than this. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/mazel-tov/page/22#post-465646 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:04:55 +0000 Torah613Torah 465646@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mazal tov everyone! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ywn-news#post-465645 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:03:55 +0000 Torah613Torah 465645@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Brony, glad the semester's almost over? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/imaginary-friends-teddy-bears-dolls#post-465644 Fri, 24 May 2013 08:02:46 +0000 Torah613Torah 465644@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Vogue: I was trying to give you an out.</p> <p>This is not normal and you should tell your friends to see a professional. (in a nice way of course) I think everyone can benefit from some counseling, so why not go yourself also? Then they will follow your lead. Use peer pressure to your advantage. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465643 Fri, 24 May 2013 07:59:53 +0000 Toi 465643@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>sam2- it was a joke. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465642 Fri, 24 May 2013 07:42:44 +0000 rabbiofberlin 465642@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Sam2 (and benignuman): Your quote from the gemoro kesubos (17A) is slightly erroneous- R"shmuel bar nachmeni in the name of R'jonasan says it is MUTTAR to look in a kallahs face, etc...but the gemoro says that the halocho is not like him.<br /> However ,from this gemoro itself ,you clearly see that the kallahs did NOT cover their faces! Hence, you COULD look at their faces! if the minhag was to cover their faces, the gemoro's statement would make no sense!<br /> Furthermore- earlier in the sugya, the machlokes of bais hillel and bais shammai concern the statement-"_Keitzad merakdim lifnei hakallah", but it is pretty clear that they both agreed that one looked at the kallah to see how she looked.<br /> The answer to this contradiction is probably benignuman's answer- R'Jonasan's statement maintains "lehistakel"-meaning intently and this is what the gemoro refutes. Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai talk about looking casually. (see Bais shammai's statement about "chiger and sumoh") </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465641 Fri, 24 May 2013 07:40:18 +0000 Sam2 465641@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Toi: Not on an entire Tzibbor. On potentially one person out of an entire Tzibbor. I think it's safe to say that in any group of 25000 Frum Jews you have a few people who are not the most upright of character. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/update-on-cholim#post-465640 Fri, 24 May 2013 07:18:25 +0000 morahmom 465640@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Does anyone have any updates on the condition of cholim that were mentioned in the CR? Some were several years ago...<br /> Chaim Aharon ben Chaya Sara<br /> Refoel Yoel Ozer ben Chaya Malka<br /> Chaim Aharom ben Leah<br /> Yehuda Tzvi<br /> Chaya Sara bas Chava Breindle</p> <p>Thanks! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/imaginary-friends-teddy-bears-dolls#post-465639 Fri, 24 May 2013 06:52:54 +0000 Shopping613 465639@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I don't have imaginary friends....which is unfortuanate cuz I have no one on my side when my imaginary enemies come attacking </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465638 Fri, 24 May 2013 06:51:53 +0000 Avi K 465638@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Katan,</p> <p>I looked up that site and his claim is simply not correct. I looked up Rav Chaim Vital's exact statement in "Kol Kitvei HaArizal" (Rav Vidovski ed.p. 8) and he says "the time of the oath is until 1,000 years" and goes on to quote the Zohar in Vayera 4 117a in the name of Rabbi Yossi.It is clear that he is speaking about our oath.</p> <p>Rav A.Y. Kook dealt briefly with the “three oaths”, in Otzrot HaReIya, II, ch. 37 in his article regarding the re-founding of the Sanhedrin, and wrote 19 years before the Balfour Declaration, that we will receive permission from the nations of the world, like we did in the time of Koresh, to build the second Beit HaMikdash, and that will “solve” the problem of the oaths. His son, Rav Zvi Yehuda Kook writes about them in L’N’tivot Yisrael II, p. 115-116, and it’s common knowledge that almost everything he taught or wrote is in agreement with his father. It’s even brought in Tov Ro’ee on Ketubot there, which is the chidushim of the elder Rav Kook. </p> <p>I imagine you have seen Rav Shlomo Aviner’s very comprehensive booklet on the topic (I believe it’s reprinted in his Sha’elat Shlomo), including some 13 answers to the Satmar Rebbe, and Rav Moshe Tzuriel wrote a kuntres on the topic, as well. </p> <p>Rambam (Hilchot Mlachim 11,2) who brings the Bar Kochba rebellion supported by R. Akiva and his many students as the prototype for the way of the rise of Mashiach, clearly feels that the oaths are not halachic. Many cite Rav Meir Simcha of Dvinsk, the Meshech Chochma and Or Same’ach, in his letter to the Keren Hayesod where he simply dismisses the oaths as aggada, and especially after the Balfour Decleration ratified internationally in San Remo, “it removes all ‘fear’ of those oaths”. I might just add that Rav Ya’akov Moshe Charlap (Memayanai HaYeshua, p. 245), another major talmid of Rav Kook, explains that the idea of the aggada was to stress that the national revival of Israel is actually an international event and of universal importance, and therefore we prefer for it to be in cooperation with the other nations.</p> <p> In addition Rav Soloveichik’s famed article Kol Dodi Dofek is an answer to the three oaths.Rav Soloveichik spoke of six knocks on<br /> the collective door of the Jewish people, six awakenings to call us to awaken and reach for greatness. These six knocks were the six miraculous events accompanying the establishment of<br /> the State of Israel:</p> <p> The first knock was political; the alliance of the United States and USSR to vote for the existence of the Jewish State.</p> <p> The second was military; the victory of the tiny Jewish forces, handicapped by an arms embargo and massively outnumbered.</p> <p> The third was theological; the refutation of Notzri doctrine by demonstrating that the Jewish people will again be a vibrant player on the world stage.</p> <p> The fourth was sociological; the fact that Jews from around the world felt proud to be Jewish and free to re-engage with their Jewish identity.</p> <p> The fifth was an international change of attitude due to the birth of the State of Israel; the fact that Jews had a position of power and a homeland meant that Jewish blood could no<br /> longer be spilt freely and without fear of retribution.</p> <p> The sixth and final knock was the influx of exiles; the return to Israel of Jews from across the<br /> world. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/camp-counselor-jobs#post-465637 Fri, 24 May 2013 06:51:18 +0000 Shopping613 465637@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I really don't know...what are you talking abput? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465636 Fri, 24 May 2013 05:06:04 +0000 Toi 465636@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Sam2- im gonna pull a sam2 on you, ready? Motzei shem ra on an entire tzibbur? im gonna have to point out that was ossur. </p> <p>he he... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-cr-discworlders-club/page/4#post-465635 Fri, 24 May 2013 03:06:41 +0000 just my hapence 465635@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><a href="http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465397" rel="nofollow">http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465397</a> </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465634 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:55:08 +0000 HaKatan 465634@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Regarding the 1,000 years allegation, this is also untrue. Rav Chaim Vital did not say the three oaths last only 1,000 years. We cannot post links, but the explanation of what he does say, which is a separate matter, can be found via Google.</p> <p>Regarding it not being liMaaseh, even the "Religious Zionists" know the oaths are an issue. They convince themselves of absurd "solutions" (some based on distortions and forgeries, some simply not compatible with our Torah) to avoid the issue, but even the Zionists admit to the oaths being an issue. Poskim bring it, the Rambam brings it, the Maharal brings it, the Brisker Rov brings it and the Satmar Rov brings it, among many others.</p> <p>Again, following that knessiah, the Zionists foolishly did not abide by the "psak of the beis din of Klal Yisrael" (which did not explicitly address the oaths, and what the halachic ramifications of that "psak" were) that the Zionists would not interfere with religion, thereby anyways rendering that "psak", for whatever it did mean, null and void.</p> <p>The Rav Moshe story requires far more clarification for it to be meaningful here. </p> <p>The Chofetz Chaim, the Brisker Rov, Rav Elchonon, the Satmar Rov, Rabbi Rottenberg and many others have been shown to be very correct regarding the many disasters, both physical and spiritual, that the Zionists have brought on our people, Hashem Yishmor.</p> <p>Again, the Zionists cannot justify their idolatry. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465633 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:39:07 +0000 HaKatan 465633@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>mdd, I would imagine that in Kiryas Yoel they would sooner tell you that the holy Rav Moshe was wrong and that their holy Rebbe was correct. I did not do so.</p> <p>Thanks for contributing substantively to the discussion. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465632 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:36:17 +0000 HaKatan 465632@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Just Emes (regarding Mitzrayim):<br /> Given your screen name, and after reading your answer about the State being more worthy of Hakaras HaTov than Mitzrayim, I can only conclude that your Zionist leaning are tainting your ability to think objectively here.</p> <p>You're asking a question on a befeirush pasuk (not me) and then somehow trying to extend that to Zionism. </p> <p>The Torah itself says "Lo Sisaev Mitzri..." and then it explains why, as I said, "ki ger hayisa biArtzo". So even with all the terrible things the Mitzriyim did to us (and they did not do those terrible things from day one, speaking of "just emes"), they still did host us in their land for tens of decades, and that, the Torah says is worthy of Hakaras HaTov.</p> <p>"Gadol haMachtio yoser min haHorgo", certainly applies to Zionists, yet this also doesn't matter to you.</p> <p>Besides:<br /> You still haven't explained why the Zionists, nominal Jews, who still revere the Tanach as a cultural object because, in their warped view, it CH"V justifies their political existence in Eretz Yisrael. Why SHOULDN'T the Zionists allow Jews to be *gasp* practicing Jews? Why does this make them worthy of Hakaras HaTov?</p> <p>As for the subsidies, the State only does this because they have to. It's called buying influence, and this is history as well, none of which you seem to be interested in, for some reason, and this is a two-way street, despite the whining of the Zionists about it now. </p> <p>It's also interesting that you mention how mitzrayim "removed us from kedusha for 210 yrs", yet you completely ignore all the shmad the Zionists have committed, where they have certainly changed a Jew to be far less distinct than we were in Mitzrayim, and you immediately mention Zionism in that same sentence while leaving all this out. Why?</p> <p>And even if you live in Eretz Yisrael under Israel's "protection", you still haven't addressed my arsonist fireman example. But for someone who doesn't live there, who has no reason to be makir tov to that fireman, I certainly disagree with your assertion regarding hakaras haTov. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/awesome-stuff-yeshivish-people-say#post-465631 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:04:23 +0000 takahmamash 465631@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <blockquote><p>we all know that bagels here arent as good </p></blockquote> <p>There's actually a artisan bakery on our yishuv, with a real brick oven, the whole deal. He makes all kinds of breads, and his bagels are really good - as good as anything I've had in the states. People swear by his bialys as well, but I've never had them. See what you miss by not living out in the sticks?</p> <p>Shabbat Shalom </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465630 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:03:47 +0000 HaKatan 465630@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Just Emes (cont)<br /> As well, I disagree with your chidush about Hashem willing any of this. CH"V that Hashem should want such a massive and enduring desecration of His holy name and the terrible misfortune on His children as you claim it was the ratzon Hashem because the "Beis Din of Klal Yisrael" paskened. Lu Yitzuyar, however, that their "psak" was actually followed (as per my above point), I would then concede that Hashem allowed it because of lo baShamayim hi; given the Brisker Rov's position of the State being the Satan's greatest triumph since the Egel, this would provide insight into why Hashem allowed the satan to put Klal Yisrael to such a test: because the gedolim said so. </p> <p>You do realize that, essentially, you are blaming those members of the moetzes who did vote for the State (against the world-class great rabbis who voted no), for all the massive chillul Hashem, shmad, aveiros chamuros and other terrible things, spiritual and physical, that the Zionists have committed and continue to commit. According to you, it all happened because of those gedolim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bride-with-25000-wedding-guests/page/2#post-465629 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:03:08 +0000 resident of ds9 465629@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>She does not get a 40% gift ratio, most people don't give gifts. and im sure "the chasidus" would write the thank yous </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-dov-lipman-response-controversial/page/6#post-465628 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:56:13 +0000 HaKatan 465628@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>benignuman:<br /> I assume you meant "cite", not sight in your post.</p> <p>Anyways:<br /> There are sites that mention the following hold the oaths as halacha:<br /> Piskei Riaz, Kesubos 13:8<br /> Shailos Uteshuvos Rivash, Siman 101<br /> Maharal (Netzach Yisroel, Chapter 24)</p> <p>-------------</p> <p>Just Emes:<br /> You haven't addressed my point that the "Beis Din of Klal Yisrael"'s psak, whatever that was supposed to allow, was not what happened. So, therefore, that "psak" is anyways meaningless liMaaseh.</p> <p>Again, bringing up the Ohr Sameach only underscores the crucial need to examine your Rav Moshe story in light of the questions I posed above. The Ohr Sameach did not condone Zionism in any form. He himself cited the oaths, too; but, because of San Remo, he allowed simple emigration to E"Y, not any political rule and not by any fighting, both of which Zionism terribly violated and continue to violate. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/awesome-stuff-yeshivish-people-say#post-465627 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:40:47 +0000 Toi 465627@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>we just made a batch of homemade cc. ill split a kilo of lox w/ you. let the mods arrange an exchange. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/imaginary-friends-teddy-bears-dolls#post-465626 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:22:01 +0000 WIY 465626@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Vogue<br /> Its cuter. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/mazel-tov/page/22#post-465625 Fri, 24 May 2013 01:01:54 +0000 achosid 465625@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mazel tov to <a href="http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/tanta">Tanta</a> on becoming a Mommy. Mazel Tov to popa_bar_abba on the birth of his nephew </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ywn-news#post-465624 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:50:19 +0000 WIY 465624@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>DY<br /> They stated that he's a chossid (for those who can't tell from the picture! !!) Why the need to go into the detail of what he wears on his head on shabbos? Maybe they should also write if he eats galla or ptcha on Shabbos. Its irrelevant what he wears unless they are trying to be divisive by focusing on that point. I don't want to get into this whole thing because its not a healthy topic. Just read the article and tell me if that line doesn't stand out like a sore thumb. Its a statment of some sort and I don't believe its an advertisement for streimels. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/imaginary-friends-teddy-bears-dolls#post-465623 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:43:43 +0000 Vogue 465623@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Does it look like this?<br /> (. .)<br /> ---<br /> I<br /> -/L </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-if-you-werent-jewish/page/2#post-465622 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:40:12 +0000 WIY 465622@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Syag lchachma<br /> Nobody does an aveira because they can't control themselves its just that its very hard and we give in to our nisyonos. Hashem did not require anything of us that is impossible. Just difficult and against our physical side. It is our job to use our logical side to overpower the physical drives that we have. When we don't we basically act like animals who are focused on physicality. I'm a man and I can't say I can ever understand the womans yetzer hora, however logically it makes no sense to me why a married woman would walk down the street looking like she wants every man to feast his eyes on her. If Hashem blesses you with physical beauty (even if you are a man) it is for your spouse not to act like a piece of meat and to get people to desire you. I will never understand this nesayon but any woman with half a brain in her head even if she isn't Jewish should understand that if you want people to like you the person you are inside then accentuate that aspect of yourself. If you want people to desire your body then you accentuate that aspect. If you accentuate your physical beauty too much it sends tbe message that you are empty inside and all you are is an object. Why would anyone do that? I don't get it. If you are married you shouldn't think ot other men. Other men should not exist for you. If you still get a kick out of men staring at you in the street you aren't healthy emotionally or spiritually and I can't imagine that you can have marital bliss if you care about the approval of male strangers on the street. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/is-smoking-mutar/page/2#post-465621 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:20:45 +0000 zvei dinim 465621@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>"Someone who calls himself zvei dinim shold be able to easily be mechalek between the two cases"</p> <p>10 points. I should've called it "felt un havanah, felt un hasbara" - you'll never be able to explain how any of the chilukim are sufficiently mechalek. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-if-you-werent-jewish/page/2#post-465620 Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56:13 +0000 Syag Lchochma 465620@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>yacr85 - just wanted to mention that your analogy was very cool. I like your creativity. </p> <p>Just a side, additional answer to your comment about covering the knees not being a comparable y"h - did you notice how many people are NOT covering their knees? Did you notice how many wives in kollel lives expose their knees? Did you notice how many rebbetzins expose their knees? Does this give you a mild clue to how strong that Y'H is for women who just CANNOT STOP THEMSELVES from exposing themselves inappropriately (I am talking only about those who know they should and wish they could). </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-if-you-werent-jewish/page/2#post-465619 Thu, 23 May 2013 23:48:32 +0000 Syag Lchochma 465619@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>For the women who think that wearing a skirt that covers the knees is comparable to the same Yetzer Hara (in this area) as men, picture the following.</em></p> <p>If you gleaned that from my words then you didn't understand my point. I don't think there is a woman around who thinks that.</p> <p>batseven - <em>So you are trying to say that the woman's commandments are equal in intensity to that of a man?</em><br /> no, that wasn't at all what our topic was.<br /> Also, saying that your point came from Torah doesn't mean it did. I cannot explain my point clearly in a mixed (or online, for that matter) forum so if anyone got it, great. If not, then not. But please don't put words in my mouth. </p>