http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/tags/halacha YWN Coffee Room » Tag: HALACHA - Recent Posts en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:05:30 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/search.php http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/any-runners/page/7#post-145991 Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:58:56 +0000 yoshi 145991@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>A big thank you to "Dunno" for resurrecting this motivational healthy thread!</p> <p>Leg aches are not always easy to diagnose the underline problem, which may be originating from a completely different muscle than one would think. Many lower leg pains (and in my experience) usually come from underdeveloped hip muscles and a weak core. </p> <p>I have found that on the days that don't include running, are best for cross training exercises (i.e. biking, rowing, elliptical, etc). Also, adding exercises like pilates and/or yoga to your routine is essential for building a strong core and stability for running successfully. </p> <p>Don't forget to add in some strength training to your routine as well (i.e. push ups, chin ups, free weights, etc). </p> <p>There are times when running through the pain is not a bad idea, but some injuries require a rest/recovery time or one can potentially further injure themselves, and have an even longer recovery time. </p> <p>Where exactly are the pains on your legs? Is it in one centralized area, or is it more of a radiating pain throughout an entire area? Is it a burning sensation, stinging, throbbing, or dull type of pain? When do you usually start feeling pain, and when does it feel better? Is it both your legs or just one? </p> <p>Any additional information will help. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/any-runners/page/7#post-142451 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:47:27 +0000 dunno 142451@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Time to bring this thread back up.</p> <p>Apparently, stretches don't help me as I still have lower leg pain after I run. I usually still run even with the pain but I have a feeling I might end up paying for that in the long run. Any suggestions? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121673 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:54:47 +0000 goody613 121673@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis: but just for anything youre allowed to </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121634 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:32:29 +0000 tomim tihye 121634@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>According to many teachers/ professors, writing on hands is a no-no.<br /> (How do you make a smiley face?) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121395 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:56:14 +0000 oomis1105 121395@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Even the scratching into the skin is assur, if done as a mourning practice like the Akum. What is the expression, "lo tisgodidu?" We are not to make sratim in the skin, because the avoda zara-niks did that. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121332 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:47:56 +0000 goody613 121332@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>yes you need both scratching into the skin and filling it with ink- one with out the other is mutar </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121201 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:40:04 +0000 oomis1105 121201@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>As long as it is not permanent like a tatoo or done for reasons related to avoda zora, why not? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121183 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:24:47 +0000 Bodek 121183@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Sara Palin seems to be the only one who is not allowed to do that. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121182 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:22:33 +0000 boredstiff 121182@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>are u allowed to write something on your hand to remember it? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-121052 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:58:34 +0000 Mayan_Dvash 121052@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis, I thought of that. One of the reasons I used XYZ in the post. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120909 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:21:55 +0000 HIE 120909@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mayan, I k ow who it was<br /> cause I was there, </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120900 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:47:59 +0000 oomis1105 120900@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Just because the boy said he was from a certain yeshivah doesn't necessarily mean he was telling the truth. In any case, this was obnoxious behavior. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120887 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:08:09 +0000 jphone 120887@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mayan. If I were in your position, I would call the Menahel of said Yeshiva and tell them exactly how one of their Bachurim was acting, on their behalf. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120881 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:17:40 +0000 Mayan_Dvash 120881@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So this kid is stopping traffic in flatbush on East 27 street, (stands in front of your vehicle so you can't proceed). I can tell he's under the influence. I roll down my window and he says "Chayav Inish Livsumi" he probably wanted to say "Kol haposhet yad nosnim lo" He continued to say that he's from Yeshiva XYZ.... so I gave him a small amount. I'm not a rich guy, I don't drive a BMW/Lexus/Infiniti/etc. So he didn't like the amount I gave so he throws it back at my 7 year old son behind me and says "Here's shalach manos for your son" ...meanwhile there are cars behind me honking their horns.... My father taught me that one should not curse (I don't mean th filthy-mouth kind) so let me spin it this way: He should work an honest day in his life trying to support a family and understand my position.<br /> ; </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120839 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:41:12 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120839@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>B''H i didn't see his post, Hashem spared me from tzoros of seeing yidden doing mitzvos with no kovonoh </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120818 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:00:29 +0000 Jothar 120818@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Chayey Adam says "nohagin ktzas simcha" at night. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120785 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:31:14 +0000 ronrsr 120785@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>angryJB makes an excellent argument against giving young people their first drink on Purim. Hope he is now sleeping it off and has learned his lesson. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120774 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:17:27 +0000 oomis1105 120774@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Nope, there is NO hope for the Senate or any other part of the government. :)</p> <p>re: the accident seen by PY - OY. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120772 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:03:25 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 120772@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I guess all the warning about not drinking this year did a lot of good. My family just passed a car accident in a frum neighborhood. Hope nobody is hurt. When will people learn? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120770 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:26:03 +0000 bombmaniac 120770@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>YAY :D now onto the US senate...lol </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120765 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:37:49 +0000 oomis1105 120765@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Ben Levi - finally, B"H. Simchas Purim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120764 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:33:24 +0000 Ben Levi 120764@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis Thats is one thing we can agree on </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120761 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:13:18 +0000 oomis1105 120761@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Angryjewboy - maybe you would not be so angry if you learned a little self control. This is not some teenybopper blog where anything goes. And btw, this is a perfect example of someone who should not be drinking on Purim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120760 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:07:53 +0000 bombmaniac 120760@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>personally id IP ban... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120759 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:03:37 +0000 BEST IMA 120759@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Hes been posting for hours someone had to see it by now </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120758 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:59:23 +0000 bombmaniac 120758@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>they changed the system to allowing every post on the board and THEN moderate them. i dont think they anticipated this. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120757 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:49:34 +0000 BEST IMA 120757@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mods how in the world did that post go through?? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120664 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:10:59 +0000 volvie 120664@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Women are obligated to hear the Megillah and to rejoice and partake in the Seuda on Purim, for they were part of the neis. As far as ad d'loi yoda, however, the Rivevois Ephraim (Vol.1 Ch.161) and others rule that it is inappropriate for women to become intoxicated.</p> <p>Indeed the Mishna Brura (OC 199:6, in Sha'ar HaTzion), in the laws of birkas hamazon, explains that the reason women are not obligated to make a mezuman is that a mezuman should ideally be performed on a cup of wine and it is unseemly for a woman to do this. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120663 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:08:21 +0000 ronrsr 120663@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>why not? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120662 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:07:22 +0000 volvie 120662@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>annie: No. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120661 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:05:19 +0000 annie 120661@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>What about women? Are they permitted in drinking 'ad d'lo yodah'? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120659 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:45:57 +0000 Jothar 120659@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>From my post in the "minors and alcohol" thread:</p> <p>I went through the poskim in order, with all of the major poskim covered- no cherry-picking or selective quoting. Feel free to double-check. </p> <p>Let's start off with the Tur, Orach Chaim 695.<br /> 1. The Beis Yosef (aka the mechaber in Orach chaim and the Mishna Brurah) quotes the Ran and Rabbeinu Ephraim- idchi ley maamar derava based on story of Rava and Rav Zeira. In other words, chayav inish is NOT lehalacha. </p> <p>2. He then quotes the Orchos Chaim- levsuem IS kehalacha, but it doesn't mean rolling on the floor drunk in your own vomit. To quote the lashon hakodesh,<br /> שכרות איסור גמור, ואין לך עבירה גדולה מזו שהוא גורם לגילוי עריות ושפיכות דמים וכמה עבירות זולתן, אך שישתה יותר מלימודו מעט<br /> "drunkenness is completely prohibited, and you do not find a bigger aveirah than it, as it causes illicit relations, murder, and many other sins besides. however one should drink a bit more than he is used to". (translation mine)<br /> 3. On another point, the Beis Yosef says that there is no mitzvah to drink at night because it says YEMEI mishteh vesimcha- the DAYS of drinking and happiness.<br /> 4. The Bach says punkt fakehrt of how you quoted it. He does start off saying what you said, but lehalacha says like Rabbeinu Ephraim and the Ran- idchi ley. However, one should drink enough to be happy, and one should still have one's wits about him ("daato alav") even if he can't stand in front of a king. This is NOT rolling on the floor in the vomit drunk. Furthermore, even THIS level is lemitzvah velo le'ikuva.<br /> 5. The maharsha in Bava metzia 21 agrees with this, and says a tzurva meirabanan (A real talmid chochom) is allowed to claim he reached a level of ad delo yada on Purim even though he was yada. Clearly no issur in remaining sober according the the Maharsha.<br /> Now we move on to the Shulchan Aruch.<br /> 6. The Taz says a deep vort about how elevated arur haman is, but Baruch mordechai is even more sublime. you drink until you can't comprehend this fine difference. This isn't ROFIV (rolling on the floor in vomit) drunk either.The Taz explains the Rema like his shver the Bach- ein laasos kein- it's assur to take the gemara literally as idchi ley like the Ran- we don't pasken that way.<br /> 7. The Mogen Avraham says that Ad delo Yada means you can't calculate gematrios of arur haman and baruch mordechai. Not ROFIV drunk either.<br /> 8. The Pri Megadim in the Mishbitzos Zahav approves of the Taz, and quotes the Pri chadash who agrees with this that "ein laasos kein" and says "vechein raui linhog". See later for more on the exact wording of the Pri Chadash.<br /> 9. the Yad Ephraim says that one should drink to be happy, but not beyond that.<br /> 10. To be fair and honest, the Shaarei Teshuva quotes the Amudei Shomayim that his father used to be mekayeim the words kepshuto when he was younger. However, one shouldn't do so if it leads to devarim shelo kehogen.</p> <p>11. The Pri Chadash (the one quoted by the Pri Megadim in the mishbitzos) argues on Rabbeinu Ephraim whop said idchi ley, and holds that ad delo yada kepshuto is technically how we pasken. So theoretically one is doing a mitzvah by doing ROFIV. HOWEVER, now that the doros are mukulkalim (his words, not mine- since the generations are ruined, one SHOULDN'T drink so much, and by not drinking so much he'll see blessing from heaven since he's doing so lishmah. So he argues THEORETICALLY on the Ran and Rabbeinu Ephraim, but agrees PRACTICALLY.<br /> 12. Someone in the back of the Friedman edition Shulchan Aruch asks on the Rema why he wrote it the way he did, if it's based on Rabbeinu Ephraim, and one SHOULDN'T drink that much. Regardless, the mishna brurah paskens like the Pri Megadim who paskens like the Pri chadash that one shouldn't drink so much.<br /> 13. The Sefas Emes quoted by Volvie is on Megilla 7b, according to the Piskei teshuvos. I read it as saying one doesn't need to get to ROFIV. The Piskei Teshuvos reads him as saying that one SHOULDN'T, just like the Yad Ephraim.<br /> 14. I did not look up the Chacham Tzvi.<br /> 15. As for the Shlah, I looked at the Kitzur Hashlah and he mostly rips the drinking going on as being sechok vehollelus instead of simcha shel mitzvah, and that people think the Torah doesn't apply over Purim, and this is an "avon pelili-" a tremendous sin. </p> <p>Bottom line- the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of mainstream poskim hold that one shouldn't drink himself to ROFIV. The Pri chadash, who is halacha according to the Pri Megadim and Mishna Brurah, says that with the destruction of the generations, ad delo yada is like the mitzvah of yibum, NO LONGER APPLICABLE.<br /> It is an AVEIRAH, according to many poskim (Ran, Rabbeinu Ephraim, Beis Yosef, Bach, Pri chadash, Pri Megadim, Mishna Brurah, Yad Ephraim, Shla"h), to drink to the point of shichruso shel lot. And NOBODY holds the Torah becomes hefker.<br /> It is an AVEIRAH to give alcohol to any minor, even forgetting about dina demalchusa, as you would be causing them to violate the words of the poskim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120652 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:05:56 +0000 bombmaniac 120652@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>apparently not...i think its more of the netiyah towards fulfilling their teivos rather than real zeal in performing the mitzvah...and we all have to work on our teivos </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120647 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:57:35 +0000 ronrsr 120647@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>What about the obligation to obey the just laws of the state and country which we live in? Is that a factor? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120645 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:50:38 +0000 bombmaniac 120645@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>yes...for some reason...people chuck the mishna berura out the window on purim...yet in the rest of the year its naaseh v'nishma... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120632 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:45:32 +0000 Jothar 120632@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>hudyrox, correct. No difference. The psak of ad delo yada doesn't mean literal "shichruso shel lot" according to the mishna brurah, the poseik of the yeshivish world. It means drinking a bit more than usual and napping. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120615 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:05:18 +0000 hudyrox 120615@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>i dont find the difrence between a 14 year old and a 17 year old were both machayuv till adi lo yada </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120551 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:30:02 +0000 bombmaniac 120551@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>lets bear in mind that the tragedy that almost took place instead of the miracle on purim, began because of basically a drinking party. we have to be careful with our alcohol consumption. alcohol has a tremendous power. we all know, nichnas yayin yatzah sod. however if a person gets too drunk, the effect is muddled. a person who is "high" has a great power to improve hgimself on purim. it lowers your inhibitions, which not only makes us do stupid things at times, but also gives us the ability to get past our own inhibitions in terms of teshuva. it gives us the opportunity to look past our inflated egos, and look within ourselves and see that we really need to change and it allows us to truly make a powerful kabala al ha'asid. it gives us the ability to feel a true charata for things we may have done, which is why yom kippur is only "k'purim" we dont have that aid on yom kippur, we dont have this loosening of our inhibitions, we dont have the ease that we do on purim to do a real teshuva. but if you overdo it, of you drink yourslef totally drunk, if you drink yourself sick, if you drink yourself to the point where you have absolutely no control over any of your actions, you lose that positive benefit that the alcohol gives us. hashem gave us a tremendous opportunity to improve ourselves on purim, who are we to throw it in his face??? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120164 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:31:45 +0000 lavdavka 120164@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>JOTHER-LETS NOT GO THERE </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120158 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:02:12 +0000 Jothar 120158@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Aries, the ikker mitzvah is the day, but we drink the night before due to the chumra of the Ohr Zarua :-) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120151 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:37:24 +0000 Ben Levi 120151@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Aries, please see Otzer Midrashim Chelek Beis the first or second Medrash. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120148 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:21:14 +0000 aries2756 120148@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Jothar, which halacha says you should drink the night before???? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120134 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:21:49 +0000 sm29 120134@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>We should just drink a little bit alcohol because of the danger involved to ourselves or others G-d forbid. </p> <p>We can have a good time without getting drunk :) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120099 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:06:22 +0000 Jothar 120099@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I enjoy some wonderful grey goose, laugh at my "Read eicha on Purim" teetotaling friends, bentch and daven maariv with a minyan. I also limit my drinking the night before so I can daven with a minyan the next day and focus on megilla reading. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120079 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:29:29 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120079@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I agree Jothar. Which shitoh do you follow in regards to shikrus on Purim </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120078 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:20:55 +0000 Jothar 120078@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Chazal have spoken against drunkenness in multiple places. They DID think it was a bad thing. Purim is a chiddush, and ein lach bo ela chiddusho. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120063 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:32:44 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120063@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Lets make a list of which shiur we think is most meikel to most machmir</p> <p>AKA (From meikiel to machmir) NOTE THIS IS NOT MY OPINION RATHER AN EXAMPLE</p> <p>1. Shitoh of Magen Avraham<br /> 2. Rambam<br /> 3. Orchos Chayim<br /> 4. Ran </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120059 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:25:15 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120059@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Ben Levi I couldn't have put it better </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120057 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:23:40 +0000 Ben Levi 120057@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I am chas v'sholom not saying those who do not drink on Purim because they have gone through the sugya and come out that we are not mchuyov to do so are making a chilul hashem quite the contrary.<br /> What I am saying is those who do not know the sugya or halachos involved and do not come from a health/Pikuach Nefesh point in saying that it is not advisable to drink.<br /> Rather speak out against the very act of drunkenness because the "goyim" think drinking is bad are mechallel sheim shomayim for in essence they are subjecting basic pshat in chazal to the morals of the goyim around them.<br /> May i point out Chazal obviously did not feel that the act of drunkenness in it's own right was a bad thing.<br /> Instead of people foolishly bashing that which they do not understand how about trying to understand Chazal you might learn something. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/2#post-120043 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:51:31 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120043@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Quit it with the hatzolah member idea already, please. there are few kids who make chillul Hashem, but you seem to have mistaken impression that I and Ben Levi advocate drinking until puking. I repeat the seder yom is a minority opinion. </p>