http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/tags/halacha YWN Coffee Room » Tag: HALACHA - Recent Posts en-US Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:05:15 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/search.php http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121673 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:54:47 +0000 goody613 121673@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis: but just for anything youre allowed to </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121634 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:32:29 +0000 tomim tihye 121634@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>According to many teachers/ professors, writing on hands is a no-no.<br /> (How do you make a smiley face?) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121395 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:56:14 +0000 oomis1105 121395@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Even the scratching into the skin is assur, if done as a mourning practice like the Akum. What is the expression, "lo tisgodidu?" We are not to make sratim in the skin, because the avoda zara-niks did that. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121332 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:47:56 +0000 goody613 121332@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>yes you need both scratching into the skin and filling it with ink- one with out the other is mutar </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121201 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:40:04 +0000 oomis1105 121201@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>As long as it is not permanent like a tatoo or done for reasons related to avoda zora, why not? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121183 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:24:47 +0000 Bodek 121183@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Sara Palin seems to be the only one who is not allowed to do that. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/writing-on-skin#post-121182 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:22:33 +0000 boredstiff 121182@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>are u allowed to write something on your hand to remember it? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-121052 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:58:34 +0000 Mayan_Dvash 121052@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis, I thought of that. One of the reasons I used XYZ in the post. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120909 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:21:55 +0000 Hashem Is Everywhere 120909@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mayan, I k ow who it was<br /> cause I was there, </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120900 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:47:59 +0000 oomis1105 120900@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Just because the boy said he was from a certain yeshivah doesn't necessarily mean he was telling the truth. In any case, this was obnoxious behavior. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120887 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:08:09 +0000 jphone 120887@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mayan. If I were in your position, I would call the Menahel of said Yeshiva and tell them exactly how one of their Bachurim was acting, on their behalf. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120881 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:17:40 +0000 Mayan_Dvash 120881@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So this kid is stopping traffic in flatbush on East 27 street, (stands in front of your vehicle so you can't proceed). I can tell he's under the influence. I roll down my window and he says "Chayav Inish Livsumi" he probably wanted to say "Kol haposhet yad nosnim lo" He continued to say that he's from Yeshiva XYZ.... so I gave him a small amount. I'm not a rich guy, I don't drive a BMW/Lexus/Infiniti/etc. So he didn't like the amount I gave so he throws it back at my 7 year old son behind me and says "Here's shalach manos for your son" ...meanwhile there are cars behind me honking their horns.... My father taught me that one should not curse (I don't mean th filthy-mouth kind) so let me spin it this way: He should work an honest day in his life trying to support a family and understand my position.<br /> ; </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120839 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:41:12 +0000 Talmid_lo_Chacham 120839@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>B''H i didn't see his post, Hashem spared me from tzoros of seeing yidden doing mitzvos with no kovonoh </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120818 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:00:29 +0000 Jothar 120818@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Chayey Adam says "nohagin ktzas simcha" at night. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120785 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:31:14 +0000 ronrsr 120785@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>angryJB makes an excellent argument against giving young people their first drink on Purim. Hope he is now sleeping it off and has learned his lesson. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120774 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:17:27 +0000 oomis1105 120774@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Nope, there is NO hope for the Senate or any other part of the government. :)</p> <p>re: the accident seen by PY - OY. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120772 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:03:25 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 120772@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I guess all the warning about not drinking this year did a lot of good. My family just passed a car accident in a frum neighborhood. Hope nobody is hurt. When will people learn? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120770 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:26:03 +0000 bombmaniac 120770@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>YAY :D now onto the US senate...lol </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120765 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:37:49 +0000 oomis1105 120765@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Ben Levi - finally, B"H. Simchas Purim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120764 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:33:24 +0000 Ben Levi 120764@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis Thats is one thing we can agree on </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120761 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:13:18 +0000 oomis1105 120761@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Angryjewboy - maybe you would not be so angry if you learned a little self control. This is not some teenybopper blog where anything goes. And btw, this is a perfect example of someone who should not be drinking on Purim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120760 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:07:53 +0000 bombmaniac 120760@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>personally id IP ban... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120759 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:03:37 +0000 BEST IMA 120759@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Hes been posting for hours someone had to see it by now </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120758 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:59:23 +0000 bombmaniac 120758@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>they changed the system to allowing every post on the board and THEN moderate them. i dont think they anticipated this. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120757 Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:49:34 +0000 BEST IMA 120757@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Mods how in the world did that post go through?? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120664 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:10:59 +0000 volvie 120664@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Women are obligated to hear the Megillah and to rejoice and partake in the Seuda on Purim, for they were part of the neis. As far as ad d'loi yoda, however, the Rivevois Ephraim (Vol.1 Ch.161) and others rule that it is inappropriate for women to become intoxicated.</p> <p>Indeed the Mishna Brura (OC 199:6, in Sha'ar HaTzion), in the laws of birkas hamazon, explains that the reason women are not obligated to make a mezuman is that a mezuman should ideally be performed on a cup of wine and it is unseemly for a woman to do this. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120663 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:08:21 +0000 ronrsr 120663@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>why not? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120662 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:07:22 +0000 volvie 120662@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>annie: No. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120661 Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:05:19 +0000 annie 120661@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>What about women? Are they permitted in drinking 'ad d'lo yodah'? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120659 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:45:57 +0000 Jothar 120659@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>From my post in the "minors and alcohol" thread:</p> <p>I went through the poskim in order, with all of the major poskim covered- no cherry-picking or selective quoting. Feel free to double-check. </p> <p>Let's start off with the Tur, Orach Chaim 695.<br /> 1. The Beis Yosef (aka the mechaber in Orach chaim and the Mishna Brurah) quotes the Ran and Rabbeinu Ephraim- idchi ley maamar derava based on story of Rava and Rav Zeira. In other words, chayav inish is NOT lehalacha. </p> <p>2. He then quotes the Orchos Chaim- levsuem IS kehalacha, but it doesn't mean rolling on the floor drunk in your own vomit. To quote the lashon hakodesh,<br /> שכרות איסור גמור, ואין לך עבירה גדולה מזו שהוא גורם לגילוי עריות ושפיכות דמים וכמה עבירות זולתן, אך שישתה יותר מלימודו מעט<br /> "drunkenness is completely prohibited, and you do not find a bigger aveirah than it, as it causes illicit relations, murder, and many other sins besides. however one should drink a bit more than he is used to". (translation mine)<br /> 3. On another point, the Beis Yosef says that there is no mitzvah to drink at night because it says YEMEI mishteh vesimcha- the DAYS of drinking and happiness.<br /> 4. The Bach says punkt fakehrt of how you quoted it. He does start off saying what you said, but lehalacha says like Rabbeinu Ephraim and the Ran- idchi ley. However, one should drink enough to be happy, and one should still have one's wits about him ("daato alav") even if he can't stand in front of a king. This is NOT rolling on the floor in the vomit drunk. Furthermore, even THIS level is lemitzvah velo le'ikuva.<br /> 5. The maharsha in Bava metzia 21 agrees with this, and says a tzurva meirabanan (A real talmid chochom) is allowed to claim he reached a level of ad delo yada on Purim even though he was yada. Clearly no issur in remaining sober according the the Maharsha.<br /> Now we move on to the Shulchan Aruch.<br /> 6. The Taz says a deep vort about how elevated arur haman is, but Baruch mordechai is even more sublime. you drink until you can't comprehend this fine difference. This isn't ROFIV (rolling on the floor in vomit) drunk either.The Taz explains the Rema like his shver the Bach- ein laasos kein- it's assur to take the gemara literally as idchi ley like the Ran- we don't pasken that way.<br /> 7. The Mogen Avraham says that Ad delo Yada means you can't calculate gematrios of arur haman and baruch mordechai. Not ROFIV drunk either.<br /> 8. The Pri Megadim in the Mishbitzos Zahav approves of the Taz, and quotes the Pri chadash who agrees with this that "ein laasos kein" and says "vechein raui linhog". See later for more on the exact wording of the Pri Chadash.<br /> 9. the Yad Ephraim says that one should drink to be happy, but not beyond that.<br /> 10. To be fair and honest, the Shaarei Teshuva quotes the Amudei Shomayim that his father used to be mekayeim the words kepshuto when he was younger. However, one shouldn't do so if it leads to devarim shelo kehogen.</p> <p>11. The Pri Chadash (the one quoted by the Pri Megadim in the mishbitzos) argues on Rabbeinu Ephraim whop said idchi ley, and holds that ad delo yada kepshuto is technically how we pasken. So theoretically one is doing a mitzvah by doing ROFIV. HOWEVER, now that the doros are mukulkalim (his words, not mine- since the generations are ruined, one SHOULDN'T drink so much, and by not drinking so much he'll see blessing from heaven since he's doing so lishmah. So he argues THEORETICALLY on the Ran and Rabbeinu Ephraim, but agrees PRACTICALLY.<br /> 12. Someone in the back of the Friedman edition Shulchan Aruch asks on the Rema why he wrote it the way he did, if it's based on Rabbeinu Ephraim, and one SHOULDN'T drink that much. Regardless, the mishna brurah paskens like the Pri Megadim who paskens like the Pri chadash that one shouldn't drink so much.<br /> 13. The Sefas Emes quoted by Volvie is on Megilla 7b, according to the Piskei teshuvos. I read it as saying one doesn't need to get to ROFIV. The Piskei Teshuvos reads him as saying that one SHOULDN'T, just like the Yad Ephraim.<br /> 14. I did not look up the Chacham Tzvi.<br /> 15. As for the Shlah, I looked at the Kitzur Hashlah and he mostly rips the drinking going on as being sechok vehollelus instead of simcha shel mitzvah, and that people think the Torah doesn't apply over Purim, and this is an "avon pelili-" a tremendous sin. </p> <p>Bottom line- the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of mainstream poskim hold that one shouldn't drink himself to ROFIV. The Pri chadash, who is halacha according to the Pri Megadim and Mishna Brurah, says that with the destruction of the generations, ad delo yada is like the mitzvah of yibum, NO LONGER APPLICABLE.<br /> It is an AVEIRAH, according to many poskim (Ran, Rabbeinu Ephraim, Beis Yosef, Bach, Pri chadash, Pri Megadim, Mishna Brurah, Yad Ephraim, Shla"h), to drink to the point of shichruso shel lot. And NOBODY holds the Torah becomes hefker.<br /> It is an AVEIRAH to give alcohol to any minor, even forgetting about dina demalchusa, as you would be causing them to violate the words of the poskim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120652 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:05:56 +0000 bombmaniac 120652@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>apparently not...i think its more of the netiyah towards fulfilling their teivos rather than real zeal in performing the mitzvah...and we all have to work on our teivos </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120647 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:57:35 +0000 ronrsr 120647@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>What about the obligation to obey the just laws of the state and country which we live in? Is that a factor? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120645 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:50:38 +0000 bombmaniac 120645@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>yes...for some reason...people chuck the mishna berura out the window on purim...yet in the rest of the year its naaseh v'nishma... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120632 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:45:32 +0000 Jothar 120632@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>hudyrox, correct. No difference. The psak of ad delo yada doesn't mean literal "shichruso shel lot" according to the mishna brurah, the poseik of the yeshivish world. It means drinking a bit more than usual and napping. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120615 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:05:18 +0000 hudyrox 120615@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>i dont find the difrence between a 14 year old and a 17 year old were both machayuv till adi lo yada </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120551 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:30:02 +0000 bombmaniac 120551@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>lets bear in mind that the tragedy that almost took place instead of the miracle on purim, began because of basically a drinking party. we have to be careful with our alcohol consumption. alcohol has a tremendous power. we all know, nichnas yayin yatzah sod. however if a person gets too drunk, the effect is muddled. a person who is "high" has a great power to improve hgimself on purim. it lowers your inhibitions, which not only makes us do stupid things at times, but also gives us the ability to get past our own inhibitions in terms of teshuva. it gives us the opportunity to look past our inflated egos, and look within ourselves and see that we really need to change and it allows us to truly make a powerful kabala al ha'asid. it gives us the ability to feel a true charata for things we may have done, which is why yom kippur is only "k'purim" we dont have that aid on yom kippur, we dont have this loosening of our inhibitions, we dont have the ease that we do on purim to do a real teshuva. but if you overdo it, of you drink yourslef totally drunk, if you drink yourself sick, if you drink yourself to the point where you have absolutely no control over any of your actions, you lose that positive benefit that the alcohol gives us. hashem gave us a tremendous opportunity to improve ourselves on purim, who are we to throw it in his face??? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120164 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:31:45 +0000 lavdavka 120164@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>JOTHER-LETS NOT GO THERE </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120158 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:02:12 +0000 Jothar 120158@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Aries, the ikker mitzvah is the day, but we drink the night before due to the chumra of the Ohr Zarua :-) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120151 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:37:24 +0000 Ben Levi 120151@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Aries, please see Otzer Midrashim Chelek Beis the first or second Medrash. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/drinking-on-purim/page/3#post-120148 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:21:14 +0000 aries2756 120148@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Jothar, which halacha says you should drink the night before???? </p>