http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/tags/parsha YWN Coffee Room » Tag: parsha - Recent Posts en-US Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:17:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/search.php http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-105921 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:47:52 +0000 Jothar 105921@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I did a lot of iyun on this Dvar Torah, the curse of Canaan to be an eved. (and the related Midrash Tanchuma). still don't have pshat. What I DO know from Tanach and the midrash is:<br /> 1. According to Rashi, the Canaanim conquered the Semites and kicked them out of Eretz Canaan.<br /> 2. Nimrod, the first world emperor, was from Cham.<br /> 3. The Mitzriyim were from Cham.<br /> 4. The midrash says "ish mitzri" by Potiphar means "ish chacham", as the mitzriyim were chachamim.<br /> 5. The Egyptians who managed to enslave the Jews for 210 years were Bnei Cham.<br /> 6. The mighty Phoenicians were Canaanim.<br /> 7. Hashem didn't let the malachim say Shira by Krias Yam Sug, even though the Tzelem Elokims drowning were Mitzriyim.<br /> 8. An additional midrash says Eliezer was Canaan, and went from arur to baruch through his faithful servitude by Avraham Avinu.<br /> 9. Olam haba is not determined by skin color. It's determined by deed. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-105891 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:02:11 +0000 oomis1105 105891@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>And l'kovod this week's parsha, every time I diaper my granddaughter, I tell her, "OY, a MABUL!!!" </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-105719 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:47:54 +0000 Mezonos Maven 105719@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>It is Parshas Noach again. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24773 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:13:03 +0000 Joseph 24773@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>One thing at a time mod. Don't pile it all on her at once, or she might explode. :)</p> <p>Btw, the color background should be removed from the sticky threads, as that is why so many people overlook it. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24754 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:06:36 +0000 YW Moderator-72 24754@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>intellegent, while you are checking out the D'var Torah sticky thread, check out the Sefer Tehillim Daily, the Shmiras HaLoshon and the Yom Tefilla listings. :o) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24752 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:01:51 +0000 intellegent 24752@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>lol!<br /> I just discovered that thread. i always overlook the sticky ones. i'm going there right now! LOL! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24745 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:46:59 +0000 YW Moderator-72 24745@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>you do not need to be reserved. we accept as many as are submitted. The purpose of the sign-up sheet is to ensure that all nights are covered. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24741 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:32:29 +0000 nossond 24741@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>It seems to me that you must be reserved for the night in order to give the nightly Dvar Torah. Other Divrei Torah must therefore be placed elsewhere. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24665 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:18:31 +0000 asdfghjkl 24665@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>nice vort!!! but how did it get it's own thread with the new nightly dvar torah thread?????????? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yaakov-is-alive-dvar-torah-for-vayechi#post-24534 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:39:00 +0000 nossond 24534@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Bereishis (48:8), “And Yisrael saw the sons of Yoseph, and he said, who are these. (48:9) And Yoseph said to his father, they are my sons that Elokim has given me here. And he said, please bring them to me, and I will bless them.”<br /> Rashi comments that the Shechinah left Yaakov because Ephraim and Menashe would have wicked descendants, and he did not want to bless them. Kli Yakar says that Yoseph asked Yaakov to bless them in any case, just as HaShem blessed Yitzchak although Eisav would descend from Him. But how can Yaakov be compared to HaShem? Indeed, Avraham did not bless Yitzchak because Eisav would descend from him (Rashi Bereishis 25:11).<br /> On the other hand, Yitzchak blessed Yaakov although wicked people would descend from him as well. The difference between Avraham and Yitzchak is that HaShem does not establish His Name upon the living, but He did say “the G-d of Yitzchak” after Yitzchak became blind (Rashi Bereishis 28:13). He was therefore able to bless Yaakov.<br /> Yaakov surpassed this, as Bereishis (28:21) states, “And I will return in peace to my father’s house, and HaShem will be for me for Elokim.” And Bereishis (33:20) states, “And he set up an altar there, and he called it אל the G-d of Yisrael.” HaShem could be his G-d (without being blind) because he reached the status of אל, as Megilah (18a) explains Bereishis (33:20) that HaShem called Yaakov אל. Yaakov could therefore bless Yoseph’s sons just as HaShem could. Yaakov thus said, “please bring them אלי, and I will bless them.” He would bless them with his power of אל. After he blessed them, Bereishis (48:21) states, “And Yisrael said to Yoseph, behold I shall die….” Yaakov used his power of אל, such that he would now die.<br /> Ta’anis (5a) states that Yaakov did not die, but is compared to his descendants. Just as they are alive, he, too, is alive. Bereishis (48:16), “…and may my name be declared upon them and the names of my fathers Avraham and Yitzchak, and may they proliferate abundantly within the land.” Yaakov placed his name on Ephraim and Menashe and their descendants. He placed his אל within them. As long as they are alive, Yaakov is alive within them. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10775 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:22:41 +0000 arie 10775@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Pashuteh Yid<br /> "Every single word of Torah has to be shalom. If it offends somebody, then something is wrong." CORRECT. Something is wrong with the person who is offended. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10767 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:48:14 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10767@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>CharlieHall, Thanks for the post. Boruch shekivanti l'daas godol b'yisroel. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10727 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:34:30 +0000 charliehall 10727@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>"From the standpoint of the Torah, there can be no distinction between one human being and another on the basis or race or color. Any discrimination shown to a human being on account of the color of his skin constitutes loathsome barbarity. It must be conceded that the Torah recognized a distinction between a Jew and a non-Jew. This distinction, however, is not based upon race, origin or color, but rather upon k'dushah, the holiness endowed by having been given and having accepted the Torah. Furthermore, the distinction between Jew and non-Jew does not involve any concept of inferiority but is based primarily upon the unique and special burdens that are incumbent upon Jews." </p> <p>- Rabbi Ahron Soloveichik z'tz'l, *Logic of the Heart, Logic of the Mind*, page 61. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10721 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:11:21 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10721@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>The big one, Deracheha darchei noam VCHOL nesivoseha shalom. Every single word of Torah has to be shalom. If it offends somebody, then something is wrong. Divrei Torah are supposed to be mesukim midvash vnofes tzufim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10685 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:22:33 +0000 jewishfeminist02 10685@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Ever hear the saying "you can't please everybody"? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10669 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:06:53 +0000 The Big One 10669@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Pashut, all I can say to your comment is nebech. You can be helped, but unfortunately I don't know how to be your shliach.</p> <p>I won't even begin trying to figure out how a supposedly frum Jew needs a goy and a freier to accept pshat for it to be emes. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10627 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:19:18 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10627@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Will, here is the Pashuteh Yid axiom: If your pshat does not sit well with the Gadol, the frum yid, the freier yid, and the goy, all at the same time (i.e., any possible audience, without offending anybody), then it is not emes. I am not saying the maamar chazal is not emes, I am saying that your hesber is not emes. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10617 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:40:01 +0000 Will Hill 10617@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>P.Y.: Still trying to make the Torah adhere to modern standards, rather than looking for the emes. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10487 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:48:27 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10487@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Here is another Rayah:</p> <p>5. The Rambam when talking about the milchemes zayin amamim says "Ukvar avad zichrom" since Sancheriv was mevalbel all the nations. If in fact Canaan, who is one of these 7 nations had easily recognizable dark skin, then we would know who this nation is. Vais dach ois that the color of the skin does not identify one's origin. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10471 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:03 +0000 ujm 10471@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>To ME, the most important value of this thread is its Divrei Torah! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10393 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:38:30 +0000 Will Hill 10393@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Pashuteh Yid,</p> <p>That is your daas yochid and your own chiddushim. It is designed to fit with modern sensibilities, rather than to interpret the Torah truthfully. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10341 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:09:15 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10341@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>A few ideas:</p> <p>1) The passuk says Arur Canaan, yet he was only the youngest son of Cham. The oldest was Cush, who is usually associated with Ethiopia and dark skin, (Esrog Hacushi). Since he was not cursed, we see that dark skin is natural and innocent.</p> <p>2) It was only for one group of individuals at that time, not all black people in all times.</p> <p>3) In Shabbos, the betting man asked Hillel about a number of character traits and how they arise, and did not ask about dark skin when it came to the Africans.</p> <p>4) Midrashim should not always be taken literally, as the Ramban told the priest in the vikuach. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10338 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:22:28 +0000 Joseph 10338@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>You asked me my approach, and I offered it.</p> <p>What's your approach? Deny, whitewash, and/or censor the aforementioned Torah, Gemorah, Meforshim, and Zohar? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach/page/2#post-10332 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:23:05 +0000 illini07 10332@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Thank G-d for that... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10331 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:15:14 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10331@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So in your opinion, no ehliche yid can ever run for public office? In addition, even if you don't run for public office, this issue may still come up for any number of reasons (say you get a job with a Jewish organization and a donor asks what your view is, or someobody on the street just happens to ask what Jews believe), so your approach of hiding and keeping it quiet may not work. I really think it must be dealt with, and you don't have any method for doing so that will not create a huge chillul hashem or involve sheker. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10315 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:46:11 +0000 Joseph 10315@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I would handle it by NOT running for public office. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10312 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:14:47 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10312@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Joseph, and if you or another yid were running for office here in the USA, and the newspapers asked you whether you believe this teaching about Cham, what would you tell the newspaper? Yes? then a huge chillul hashem. No? then a lie. How would you handle it? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10292 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:05:48 +0000 Joseph 10292@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Pashuteh Yid,</p> <p>Absolutely, Obama has every right to believe Rev. Wright's stuff. Every bit of it.</p> <p>And every American has the right to vote against Obama because of it. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10289 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:36:15 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10289@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Joseph, you are just repeating your slogan, but not answering the question. Does Obama have the same right to Emunas Chachamim in his minister as you have to yours? Maybe Obama was right not to protest, since he didn't want to be a kofer according to the best of his understanding that his minister is telling him the emes from G-d. How does he have a right to argue on his minister?</p> <p>If you have an answer, I am glad to hear it, but if you will just be repeating your slogans for the umpteenth time, then why bother. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10275 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:47:37 +0000 Joseph 10275@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>If its from the Torah, it is 100% Emes. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10262 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:04:07 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10262@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Come on Joseph, a yid is allowed to listen to a racial vort, but a non-Jew is not? Where is your sense of yashrus? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10259 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:21:24 +0000 Joseph 10259@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>...about it. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10258 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:21:01 +0000 Joseph 10258@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>"If this vort on Cham is OK..."</p> <p>We are Yidden, we have the Torah, and the Torah is 100% Emes. There is no IF's about if. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10253 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:57:52 +0000 Pashuteh Yid 10253@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>BTW, If this vort on Cham is OK, then kindly explain the outrage over Rev. Jeremiah Wright's words. Why was Obama supposed to have protested? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10248 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:10:29 +0000 anon for this 10248@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>tzippi, and he's been hired to clean up a huge mess created mostly by a bunch of white people. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10239 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:18:45 +0000 Joseph 10239@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>tzippi: lol </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10235 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:49:06 +0000 tzippi 10235@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Speaking of a servant who rules, think of it this way: he just became our number one public servant! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10197 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:47 +0000 000646 10197@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Zalman,</p> <p>I think what Keen meant was the same way when the torah says it is the metzios for woman to have labor pains and for pepole to have to sweat to make a parnassah dosnt mean that this is ideal and it should be kept that way if you can avoid it, (i.e. using an epidural or machine)<br /> so to with the decendents of cham just because that was the metzios dosnt mean it necesseraly should stay that way if it can be avoided </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10190 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:09:14 +0000 nameless 10190@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Lol! sorry, I guesse I was so impressed with the piece that I didnt even notice,,,,, </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/dvar-torah-from-this-weeks-parsha-on-cham-ben-noach#post-10186 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:01:23 +0000 nameless 10186@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Just received the following email.</p> <p>it may not be so bad....<br /> k.jpgMaran Hagon Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita is quoted as having said [on Wednesday] - following the election of Senator Barack Obama as America's next president, that this is not the first time that a black person was elected to a leadership post, 'News1′ reports.<br /> Yiddishkeit believes a person with black skin is a descendant of Cham, the son of Noach, upon who it is written "he will serve his brother". Rav Kanievsky stated in regard to the president-elect that he will be a "servant who rules", adding there is a historical precedent with King Herod (Hurdus), who was also black. "Herod made Tzaros for Am Yisrael, but he also built the Beis HaMikdosh" stated the Rav.<br /> There is a measure of ambivalence regarding Herod, who came from a family of converts. He began ruling over Malchus Yehuda in the year 37 BCE after conquering Yerushalayim from the last Chasmonaim king, Matisyahu Antignus. He was supported by the Roman Se</p> <p>Editors Note: Glad to see that a YWN story got emailed to you :)<br /> <a href="http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=25554" rel="nofollow">http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=25554</a> </p>