http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/tags/pesach YWN Coffee Room » Tag: pesach - Recent Posts en-US Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:12:26 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/search.php http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121787 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:36:39 +0000 tomim tihye 121787@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Nevertheless, doesn't the Novi tell us that Moshiach can come either "b'ito", in its time, or "achishena", speeded up, meaning that we have the power to determine to some extent the time Moshiach will come? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121717 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:46:08 +0000 anuran 121717@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>chesedname, prayers are always answered. Sometimes the answer is "No". Moshiach will come when it suits the Divine purpose. It is good to pray for that day, but I find the idea that we can coerce the Master of the Universe into doing our bidding against the Divine Will ... troublesome. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121555 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:44:41 +0000 chesedname 121555@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>You all have great points. what i was trying to bring out, even if we're perfect maybe hashem still wants us to ask for moshiach and mean it. like the avos hashem wanted to give them children and of course they deserved it, but hashem wanted them to daven for children before it came. I'm not saying lets do what we want and just ask for moshiach! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121521 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:39:38 +0000 aries2756 121521@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I was always taught and therefore I believe that Moshiach will come when we deservie to receive him. So davening alone will not do the trick. It is what every single person comes up with, sinas chinam, ahavas yisroel, davening, learning, not cheating, not stealing, not molesting, not abusing, not breaking the laws. Basically being ideal Jews representing Hashem's Torah, Mitzvos and maasim tovim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121340 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:59:16 +0000 d a 121340@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>YW Moderator-80: "It's the old mashul about a little person standing on the shoulders of giants" I love Fried's song about that mashul, "On Giants Shoulders" (maybe this should go onto the "Most Heartfelt Jewish Song In Your View" thread, but anyways...) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121338 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:52:50 +0000 d a 121338@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Amen! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121336 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:51:22 +0000 goody613 121336@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Im sure everyone knows the story about how moshiach came into every shul dressed differently then the people there and was thrown out.the reason the beis hamikdash was destroyed was because of sinaas chinam. if everyone would accept people for who they are maybe then moshiach will come. bemhayrah veyamanu </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121333 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:48:13 +0000 d a 121333@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>"If people would be learning Torah and doing maasim tovim instead of blogging maybe the geulAh would be here"</p> <p>Hashem Is Everywhere, start doing!!! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121329 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:44:25 +0000 goody613 121329@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>when i say es tzemach dovid- i ask Hashem to help me really yearn for moshiach </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121325 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:34:17 +0000 Hashem Is Everywhere 121325@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>If people would be learning Torah and doing maasim tovim instead of blogging maybe the geulAh would be here </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121323 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:29:53 +0000 not2bright 121323@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>as they say, "the well was never full until it is empty"- you don't appreciate something until it's gone, so too the other way, we can't, or at least it's hard to appreciate the fact that the beis hamikdash isn't here until we know what we are lacking, so it's hard but we gotta work on it and try<br /> also, we can't just expect to walk into davening and when we get up to es tzemach, feel sorry and start crying for the beis hamikdash/mashiach, we have to make it part of our lives </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121176 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:58:34 +0000 anuran 121176@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Or maybe his arrival is on the Almighty's schedule, not ours. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121155 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:10:08 +0000 kapusta 121155@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>haifagirl, if Hashem decided that He will send Mashiach when there are (lets say) 100 Tefillos. Only 90 of them are able to be filled by people like the Chofetz Chaim and the Chazon Ish, and the remainder must come from "everyone else", then your Tefillos accomplish just as much. Additionally, for the people you mentioned, who were involved with issues involving the public, they felt the need for Mashiach more. For someone who isnt, they need to "work harder" to feel the need for Mashiach. Your (seemingly) simple Tefilla will accomplish more than anyone can imagine, and never forget that no Tefilla is ever wasted.</p> <p>About the original post, I once heard from a teacher of mine, that on Yom haChuppah, people ask for everything, but they tend to forget that davening for Mashiach includes it all. </p> <p>There can be any number of reasons why Mashiach isnt here yet, but wanting him more, and davening more, will definitely help to bring him faster.</p> <p><a>*kapusta*</a> </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121153 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:58:31 +0000 YW Moderator-80 121153@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>It's the old mashul about a little person standing on the shoulders of giants.</p> <p>Or how about the single straw that broke the camel's back.</p> <p>Or if you remember chemistry lab, the single drop of acid that finally made the solution turn red.</p> <p>Or the long fuse, but the final spark sets off the explosion. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121152 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:54:13 +0000 haifagirl 121152@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Every day, when I insert my personal tefillos into Shemoneh Esrei, I always ask for Moshiach. However, I have a feeling the Chofetz Chaim and Chazon Ish and others also asked for Moshiach, and if their tefillos weren't enough, what chance do mine have? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121147 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:23:43 +0000 SJSinNYC 121147@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Its hard to yearn for something you don't really understand. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121114 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:26:33 +0000 estherh 121114@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I think we need to consider other questions:<br /> Are you really waiting for Moshiach?<br /> Do you think about Moshiach coming constantly?<br /> Are you ready to leave your house if need be? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121108 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:08:27 +0000 Jewess 121108@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Anything is possible...but in my humble opinion it is probably a lack of ahavat yisrael that is causing the delay of the Mashiach. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121106 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:25:29 +0000 jphone 121106@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>my point is , like health and everything else you mentioned, we DO specifically ask for moshiach. three times a day. </p> <p>what you are advocating is not davening for moshiach specifically, rather to daven with kavana. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121105 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:57:15 +0000 chesedname 121105@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>to jphone<br /> "btw. dont you daven shomeh esrei three times a day? es tzemach david....."<br /> we do say it 3 times a day, but how many of us have the proper kavana and say it like we mean it? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121101 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:31:01 +0000 d a 121101@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Yout right. We got to keep davening, REALLY daven for moshiach.<br /> When Reb Chaim Pinchos Scheinberg was in America a few years ago, I went to see him. We davened Mincha together and Reb Chaim was the Chazzan. The emotion that the Rav had during וְלִירוּשָׁלַיִם עִירְךָ בְּרַחֲמִים תָּשׁוּב, was amazing. We all put all our emotions into the other brochos. The Rav is begging and pleading for Yerushalayim!</p> <p>And chesed, keep on doing chessed, thats sure gonna speed up the geulah! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121100 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:30:51 +0000 jphone 121100@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>im all for davening for moshiach (and anything else) all the time. nevertheless, unless you can verify that you are an advisor to the ribbono shel olam, statements like "moshiach is not here because...." are tough to take seriously. I know you didnt mean it, but the name of the thread should be rewritten if possible.</p> <p>btw. dont you daven shomeh esrei three times a day? es tzemach david..... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121099 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:30:14 +0000 bearupphoj 121099@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Nah. I asked a couple of weeks ago already. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-moshiach-is-not-here#post-121097 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:07:20 +0000 chesedname 121097@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>After drinking many bottles of wine on purim, it hit me (not the bottle) why Moshiach is not here.<br /> It says by the Avos, Hashem didn't give them children right away because he wanted them to daven for it. Is it possible that Moshiach is not here because we don't specifically ask for him?<br /> Yes, we all want him but by daveing don't we ask for health, money,shidduch, etc....<br /> What are your thoughts? should we all daven really hard, at least until pesach for the quick coming of Moshiach?? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-119615 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:04:27 +0000 haifagirl 119615@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>When I once said I wish I could afford to go away for Pesach, my neighbor (at that time) said if I could afford to go away, I could afford to stay home. Hire a cleaning crew and hire a cook. I'd have all the advantages of staying home with the advantages of not having to do any work.</p> <p>Now all I have to do is find a way to afford the cleaning crew and the cook. :) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-119586 Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:41:16 +0000 aries2756 119586@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I have done both in the past, and last year due to a torn rotator cuff and had to order in. This year I am home again due to guests that I am lucky to have, my mom (she should be well till 120) and her sister (same brocha) as well as their aid. Today I just heard that my daughter and family and my son and family want to come as well. I will let them figure out how everyone will fit.</p> <p>Pesach costs big bucks no matter what you do and you have to clean no matter where you are. Although it is great not to be in the kitchen, you have to trade that with getting dressed up for every meal and waiting to be served (getting the waiter's attention etc) and still making sure that everyone at the table has what they need.</p> <p>It is really no one's business or concern to tell anyone else how they should make Pesach or comment on anyone's decision. Each one of us make our decision's according to our own needs and variables. Whatever you choose to do, whomever you choose to spend Pesach with, may it be a joyous and meaningful experience for all. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-119465 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:37:47 +0000 oomis1105 119465@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Home it is! And inviting the usual suspects... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-119464 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:29:28 +0000 shindy 119464@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I'm also home...unless moshiach comes! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-119459 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:01 +0000 nathan21 119459@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>im staying home! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64571 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:50:46 +0000 tzippi 64571@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>SJS, you did get a likely well deserved break, but you also didn't have the pressure of dressing to impress, nor the food. (I take that back; your family may be gourmet cooks, but YKNWIM.) Your seder may have been large and noisy, but nothing like sharing a ballroom with dozens of other families. This isn't to say that there aren't hotels with clientele who aren't superficial, or pressured to cater to their superficial sides, just that hotels do tend to bring that out. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64569 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:18:00 +0000 SJSinNYC 64569@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So I was thinking about this a lot over Chag.</p> <p>I sort of did go away to a hotel. We packed up, sold our house, and went to my sister. Then we went to my mother. I was not responsible for any cooking or cleaning or anything like that.</p> <p>I had a wonderful Chag. Not doing the cooking and cleaning didnt take away from my enjoyment. And, I was just as tired as those who scrubbed and cooked LOL. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64396 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:39:14 +0000 oomis1105 64396@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Thanks, Mazal. Now enough with the compliments. I am blushing already. I am certain that there are countless people who likewise give of themselves, and not just at the sedarim. B"H there is much chessed being done by so many. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64299 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:40:14 +0000 mazal77 64299@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis, what a wonderful chessed you did. Kol Ha'kavod!! That is a beautiful way to have a seder. By giving of yourself in such a way. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64291 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:25:44 +0000 shindy 64291@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Our Rov told our shul that we should not make an elaborate meal for shulchan aruch so everyone should have room for the afikoman. It is too late at night to eat such a big meal and after all the marror and matzah, a bowl of chicken soup and afikoman was enough for me. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64286 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:01:50 +0000 mdlevine 64286@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>we were supposed to have a few guests from a group home however, there was a little bit of problems there and some of the people had rashes so they couldn't come. one person has been our steady guest for all the Holidays for many years already. we delivered goodies before Yom Tov, however, it wasn't the same. the first night we were alone.</p> <p>I tell over the Hagada and let each child tell a few thoughts from what they learned however, I save most of the D'vrei Torah from the kids for the Afternoon Seuda.</p> <p>The second night we had a single fellow over. my girls like to sing so we had a bit of a seder and a half. after our guest left, we went back into the hagada and I gave my girls an opportunity to sing various parts. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64244 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:51:52 +0000 cantoresq 64244@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Daylight savings before Pesach cramps the Seder horribly; especially the second night. Even though my wife fed the kids at 6:00 the first day, and thus was able to prepare much of the food for the second seder early, until I got home from schul, arranged the matzah, put on my kittel, etc we didn't start the 2nd seder until after 9:00 p.m. I doubt I would have made the Seder any slower had we started earlier though. My kids are young and have limited patience. But eating a big meal at 10:00 p.m. is difficult. And I would have much preferred to get to sleep earlier. I foresee very late sedarim into the future as my kids become more and more educated. Naches too has its price. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64203 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:07:16 +0000 oomis1105 64203@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I don't know about that, Cantoresq. Sounds pretty impressive to ME!!!! Yasher Koach to your son, in particular. I think you have the right idea. It's more important for the kids to be ABLE to stay up for the whole seder, than it is to prolong it. I still laugh when I remember how we all came to shul bleary-eyed, everyone trying to "my-seder-was-longer-than-yours" each other. Yes, it is commendable when talmidei chachomim sat until shacharis time telling over their D"T, but for most little kiddies, for whom the seder is expressly designed, if they are up until chad gadya by midnight, that is a wonderful accomplishment. (just a note, I nearly fell asleep in the middle of shfoch chamoscha). This Daylight Savings Time thing just doesn't work for me until AFTER Pesach. We did start the Shul time a 1/2 hour later than usual both mornings, in order to make it a tad easier for everyone to catch a few extra zzzzs. My hubby was up for hashkama, anyway. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/5#post-64198 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:43:55 +0000 cantoresq 64198@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I didn't have nearly as impressive a Seder as oosmis1105, but my sedarim were exactly as I planned. I made Kiddush, my six year old daughter said Mah Nishtana, I read about a third of the maggid, and my eight year old son read the rest. He prepared a Haggadah in school with a number of comments and chassidic stories to tell during the Seder. He said it all over the course of both Sedarim. I make it a point not to prolong the Seder in order to enable my kids to stay up for all of it. As such I asleep by midnight both nights. The fringe benefit of that is my son came with me to schul all three days, and davened rather nicely I might say. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/4#post-64098 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:19:47 +0000 oomis1105 64098@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Thank you for the kind words. It was my pleasure and zechus, and we benefited as well, from having an even more meaningful seder that night. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/pesach/page/4#post-64084 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:55:10 +0000 Jax 64084@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>oomis1105: that's really so nice of you all! </p>