http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ en Fri, 24 May 2013 14:57:39 +0000 http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149301 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:07:14 +0000 frumladygit 149301@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I thought its a minhag for shalom bayis </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149278 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:19:52 +0000 bpt 149278@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Segulah for a girl? Mrs BP bit, and only produced boys. But they are beautiful, and one is extremely senesitite and caring, so maybe it worked afterall! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149240 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:25:02 +0000 Feivy36 149240@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>And why not do both... Bite the pitum, and then turn it into esrog jelly? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149239 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:23:31 +0000 Feivy36 149239@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>שאלה : יש מנהג שמעוברת נגוס הפיטמא של האתרוג, האם יכול לעשות זה על הושענא רבא, או צריך להמתין עד אחר שמיני עצרת?<br /> תשובה מהגאון ר' חיים קניבסקי: יכול </p> <p>וכן הפשטות של כל מי שמביא המנהג עיין בזכר דוד (מאמר ראשון פרק ע"ה עמ' תקל"ג), חיים וברכה (אות ע', רכ"ח), אלף המגן (ס' תר"ס אות ו'), לקוטי מהרי"ח (סוף סדר חג הסוכות), אבל עיין בדרכי חיים ושלום (אות תשצ"ו) שאינו יכול לעשות עד אחר שמיני לעצרת, (ועיין שם שמפקפק על כל המנהג), וכן סבר ר' אלישיב שליט"א (בסוף ספר ארבעת המינים כהלכתם עמ' ב' אות ח' של הוספות), וכן עיין תשובה מר' נבנצל שליט"א, ועיין נטעי גבריאל סוכות (פרק פ' אות ח') </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149218 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:25:51 +0000 theprof1 149218@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>In Sefer Taamei Haminhogim in simon 815 at the bottom in kuntres achron it says: the minhag is to take the esrog and preserve it with sugar as a jam with esrog slices or pieces. This esrog preserve is then eaten on Tu B'Shvat which is Rosh Hashono for trees. It also says that it's a minhag to give some esrog to a pregnant woman to ensure that she have an easy labor and delivery. Taamei Haminhagim brings this from sefer Orchos Chaim simon 664 in the name of sefer Yafah LeLev. The "minhag" of biting the pitom is not mentioned by Taamei Haminhagim at all. Anything else I can do for you? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149213 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:02:13 +0000 AinOhdMilvado 149213@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Want a great "segula" for an easy, healthy childbirth for mother and child???<br /> More teshuva, more tefila, more tzedaka.<br /> Those acts are more effective than any pitom, kamaiya, or red string. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149210 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:48:17 +0000 The chamelon 149210@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>theprof1 wrote<br /> """The Munkatcher Rebbe Ztzl, Minchas Elozor, in his sefer of minhagim says, in paragraph 796,"""<br /> are you referring to Darkei Chaim V'Shalom ??? That sefer was not authored ny the Munkatser Rav ZYA but by a Gabai after the rav's petira. Another sefer? name please. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149176 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:44:43 +0000 theprof1 149176@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Before all of you keep on shooting off and saying complete nonsense that has no source in any sefer,here is the exact language of the Matoh Efraim in the 1920 printing that I mentiobned above:</p> <p>Pregnant women have a minhag on Hoshanoh Raboh (after the tefilos in shul when their husbands come home) to bite off the pitom of the esrog on the day of Hoshanoh Raboh. The reason for this is that some commentators say that the fruit of the Eitz Hadas that Odom ate was the esrog. The minhag is in addition to give money to poor people and in that merit that she and her unborn child (no mention here of boy or girl at all) be saved from dying during childbirth). She then says the following short tefilah: Ribono shel olam, Chava gave Odom to eat the fruit of the Eitz Hadas and because of that she brought death to the world. Had I been there I would not have eaten the esrog and I would not have agreed to Chava’s actions. In that merit please accept my prayers and save me and my unborn child from dying during childbirth.<br /> No where is it mentioned that she will have beautiful children or a boy or a girl. </p> <p>The word segula is never used although I would think that it should be called a segula. Keep in mind again, although the later printing mentions this minhag, earlier printings don't have it at all. The Munkatcher Rebbe mentions that clearly, that this is a new "minhag" that has no real source in any halacho seforim or minhag seforim. He clearly calls it a minhag shtus. In general, before you say something here, do some research and don't blabble nonsense. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149167 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:16:36 +0000 smartcookie 149167@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>This is too funny. I've always heard that biting off the pitum is a Segulah for beautiful children. Pregnant or not.</p> <p>(Maybe we should all try it this year and we'll end the Shidduch crisis!! ;-)) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149165 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:11:15 +0000 BHTWIA 149165@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Hoshana Raba, being the seventh day of succos, is still succos, so the esrog should still be huktzeh l'mitzva, and thus asur for hana'a. I've heard of biting it off (though never with any source) as a segula for having a boy, but after yom tov, not on hoshana raba. Any thoughts on this? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149156 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:43:15 +0000 minyan gal 149156@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Biting the pitum? Feh! Yuck! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149149 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:11:52 +0000 artchill 149149@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>It's a segulah, NOT a minhag. The segulah is to have a GIRL and has nothing to do with an easy childbirth. Bas techilah siman yafe lebanim, guarantees you three children minimum over the course of life. So, it's worth the try! </p> <p>There is NO Yehi Ratzon, you can add your own heartfelt tefillah that all should go well. It's like the Yehi Ratzon to have a raise in salary on Rosh Hashanah night!! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149146 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:54:59 +0000 theprof1 149146@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>The Munkatcher Rebbe Ztzl, Minchas Elozor, in his sefer of minhagim says, in paragraph 796, that the minhag of biting off the pitom has no source in halacho or tradition and should not be done at all. He also says that this minhag was written in the sefer Matoh Efraim but in an older edition it was not found. </p> <p>In Matoh Efraim printed in 1920 in Warsaw in siman 660 seif 6 it says that the minhag is for pregnant women to bite off the pitom. The reason he says is because there is a shitoh in Chazal that the fruit of the Eitz Hadas was an esrog. Therefore to so to speak atone for that sin that Chava the 1st woman did, a woman bites off the pitom to show that she isn't happy with what Chava did. So Chava's punishment of labor pains will be alleviated for her. In Matoh Efraim printed in 1842 in Warsaw it does not appear. In a print of 1923 of KleinVardein it also does not appear. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/biting-the-pitum-on-hoshana-rabbah#post-149134 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:09:54 +0000 Feivy36 149134@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>There is minhag for pregnant women to bite the pitum of the Esrog on Hoshana Rabbah, as a segula for easy birth.<br /> Does anyone know the reason and source.<br /> Also the Yehi Ratzon to be said with it.<br /> Thanks </p>