http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ en Wed, 22 May 2013 22:19:01 +0000 http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-399633 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:45:04 +0000 Curiosity 399633@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Gregaaron - there is a weird but very real human desire to not go in the way of tzniyus. This includes getting involved in the affairs of others and be privy to information that is otherwise private. This is, btw, the desire that "reality TV" plays on and is the base reason why it's appealing to people. </p> <p>Facebook, provides the means for people to show the world parts of their lives that other people would not otherwise show. Nobody needs to see you drinking coffee with your wife in the patio, nobody needs to hear about what you had for breakfast, or what shoes you bought. It's not that these things are taboo, but the concept of putting a notification of all your daily activities on the town bulletin board is the antithesis of living a humble and tzniyus life. It ruins our sensitivities and wears away our refined appreciation for what's private and what isn't.</p> <p>Friendships which are created and fostered through human interaction are put on the same plane as mere acquaintances through the convenience of virtual messaging. Thus, social skills and relationships are weakened.</p> <p>People spend hours sifting through friends' photo albums, messages, updates, etc. The whole thing is destructive in so many ways. The Facebook corporation spends plenty of research and money figuring out ways to get their users to spend more time online, and it works. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-399617 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:25:33 +0000 gregaaron 399617@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>But besides that, I'm saying the very nature of keeping up with someone else on the level that Facebook allows and encourages is unhealthy.. psychologically, socially </em></p> <p>Really? Considering that many friends people have on Facebook are those who they would otherwise not be keeping up with at all, in what way is that psychologically and socially unhealthy?</p> <p>(Not giving an opinion on Facebook in general - at least not now - but looking for clarification.) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-399369 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 04:03:03 +0000 slooopy 399369@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><strong>Stop it.</strong> </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394761 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:05:49 +0000 WolfishMusings 394761@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>usually I apologize<br /> Yes they end in divorce google Rabbi Salmon shidduch method. </em></p> <p>So, it's your contention that the vast majority of weddings that don't use Shadchanim end in divorce??</p> <p>The Wolf </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394739 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:40:16 +0000 ovadiayosefrocks 394739@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>usually I apologize<br /> Yes they end in divorce google Rabbi Salmon shidduch method. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394701 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:47:11 +0000 WolfishMusings 394701@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>all the marriages that don't use the shidduch jewish method usually fail-Rabbi yaakov Salomon</em></p> <p>All or usually -- which is it?</p> <p>And how do you define "fail?" End in divorce?</p> <p>The Wolf </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394695 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:38:46 +0000 ovadiayosefrocks 394695@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>@popa_bar_abba all the marriages that don't use the shidduch jewish method usually fail-Rabbi yaakov Salomon </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394598 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:05:17 +0000 popa_bar_abba 394598@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>A survey in New York found One in five American divorces now involve Facebook....</em></p> <p>All that proves is that people socialize today via facebook. Even a higher percentage of marriages involve facebook. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394596 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:04:00 +0000 jbaldy22 394596@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>@ovadiayosefrocks i am sure that a survey would find that 99% involve cellphones </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394592 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:00:46 +0000 Curiosity 394592@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>My mistake "jbaldy22", I thought you were trying to argue that the benefits outweigh the negatives. All I'm arguing is that they don't. Even if you only friend relatives and close friends, you can't control what appears on their profiles, and what/who you are exposed to. But besides that, I'm saying the very nature of keeping up with someone else on the level that Facebook allows and encourages is unhealthy.. psychologically, socially, and spiritually. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394590 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:58:22 +0000 ovadiayosefrocks 394590@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>A survey in New York found One in five American divorces now involve Facebook.... </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394569 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:28:08 +0000 jbaldy22 394569@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>@Curiosity my comment was directed at people who believe that facebook is just a waste of time and is not useful. they are dead wrong. facebook is very useful for networking and advertising and i don't think there is anything that could replace that. also if you dont want to friend members of the opposite gender or view things which are not tzniyus you dont have to - you can even block all the pictures on facebook if thats your choice. facebook is a tool like any other despite your insistence to the contrary. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394451 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:55:45 +0000 Curiosity 394451@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Also, getting a job through Facebook isn't necessarily an excuse. There are plenty of assur ways of finding work, some of which can't be discussed on YWN without getting banned (and shouldn't be discussed elsewhere for that matter), but that doesn't make them mutar. Let's not fool ourselves by arguing that finding a job through Facebook warrants its continued usage. I don't mean this to offend anyone who was lucky enough to find work on Facebook, but I'm just saying that this 'prat' doesn't necessarily justify the 'klall'. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394450 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:50:13 +0000 Curiosity 394450@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Coming from someone who had Facebook for years up until several months ago: Facebook is a disease. It's a cesspool for avairas, and allows ppl to make comments which they wouldn't have the chutzpah to say in person to someone's face. Other than that, the need to "follow" people, read about their daily activities, and see photos of otherwise private events does not come from a healthy source. Life was much more private before Facebook, and its use is a constant corruption of tznius. It took me several years to become mature enough to admit this to myself. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394372 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:13:16 +0000 i love camp govoah 394372@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Facebook could be a bad thing but I have to keep up with friends from elmentry school to high school &amp; other things and to publicy the best camp which is govoah </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-394016 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:06:15 +0000 BYEnglish Teacher 394016@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I do not have a facebook page, so I have very little personal insight to add to this forum. </p> <p>I did, however, pick up an interesting book at the airport a few weeks ago which discussed in-depth a side of facebook, social networking, email and internet search engines that I never considered. Yes, we all know the facts that usually get passed around: Internet is a tool--it can be used for good or for bad--it opens up tivot--it's addictive--etc, etc, etc. I found it helpful to learn some of the technical and psycological aspects surrounding this debate. If you want, the book I read is "The Filter Bubble" by Eli Pariser. There are plenty more on this subject, not all of them negative if you're looking for balanced veiw. Think of it as investment. Try to understand who is in charge of the company, what are thier goals and aims (there is no such thing as a free lunch), and what are the pros and cons of using thier website. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-388903 Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:27:37 +0000 yekke2 388903@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Facebook comes with everything else in the world. The bad side that the יצר הרע made it for, and the good side the יצר הרע tricked us with. Like the Internet - billions of good reasons to have [e.g. convenience, leisure, business, trade], it can be used too easily for the bad. The same it with Facebook. NOBODY has ever been killed from using YWN. Unfortunately, too many people - mainly teenage girls - have been murdered brutally through Facebook. People have left Yiddishkeit because of Facebook. One can create friends on whom we Daven daily והרחיקנו מחבר רע. How many stories are there of the countless people who have done terrible things online - on social networking sites - good, honest people whose temptation caught up with them? We are safer without the outside world at our fingertips. We are safer to simply stick to people we know and can see, without forging relationships with those anonymous. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-388839 Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:25:33 +0000 Song of Blessing 388839@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>lol thanks Ben Levi. And todah rabba - yes now facebook is used so much its almost like an extension of the internet. you barley need google any more because you can do the same search on facebook and find the page that offers the thing you're looking for... I wonder what they're going to do about it coz obviously its not going away.. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-385835 Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:44:51 +0000 todahrabba 385835@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>My husband got a job through fb and we also found an apartment all cuz of fb. go figure </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-385609 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:46:33 +0000 Ben Levi 385609@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I think Shira wrote what seems to be one of the most honest and "well meaning" posts I have read about what the Rabbonim are saying about the internet. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-385445 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:46:56 +0000 Just Smile 385445@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>dash and DaasYochid - </p> <p>I stand corrected. I see on the page the following - </p> <p>Sruly Meyer posted to Mostly Music<br /> December 15, 2011<br /> can whoever made this page message me? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384722 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:00:04 +0000 mewho 384722@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>i dont have anything on my facebook that would be considered bad. and all my fb friends are friends, family or co workers. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384719 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:25:17 +0000 yoyo56 384719@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>getting back to the ops q<br /> i have an answer yet this is my opinion!<br /> facebook is a way which people can connect to ther people without having there # or know their name...i have gone on facebook and was able to find information abt ppl without having to know who they are on a personal level i just looked for their friend clicked on their name and if they didnt block themselves i would be able to see their pictures and some ppl even put their cell #.<br /> this is a way whicjh ppl can connect with others whom they meet once in their life or sometimes never<br /> adults mite use this wisely yet with teenagers or younger ppl they began talking to people who they dont know...and are able to convince them to do diff things or they begin talking to the opposite gender which doesnt just stop there. they beging talking then they want to meet and it never stops i can go ojn and on... but im sure most of you know what can happen.<br /> so know its in your hand to decide whether or not u would like to go on and put your entire life on there.</p> <p>p.s. it also destroys shidduchim.. women and men begin to also talk to opposite gender behind their spouses backs.<br /> people who were not able to talk to u till now bec had no way of getting your #, can now! </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384696 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:25:35 +0000 DaasYochid 384696@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>I just checked Mostly Music's Facebook page and didn't see that.</p> <p>The page you saw (Mostly-Music) is a fan page and is not controlled by Mostly Music. The official page (MostlyMusicFB) was deactivated so you didn't see it.</em></p> <p>I expect that dash is correct, although I couldn't check, because social networking is not allowed by my filter (as per my instructions to the company that administrates it).</p> <p>The article which I posted was copied from a different website. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384690 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:07:28 +0000 DaasYochid 384690@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>DY: Even access from a place of business is supposed to be limited to use for business purposes only.</em></p> <p>As opposed to... (YWNCR?)</p> <p>Now, if someone is wasting his employer's time, that's obviously wrong. But if someone already has internet access which allows MM, do you really think any rov is going to have an issue with him downloading some Yossel'e Rosenblatt albums during his break? I don't. </p> <p>But if you do, I would have expected you not to visit YWN either, and certainly not to post in the CR. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384661 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:50:37 +0000 -™ 384661@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>I just checked Mostly Music's Facebook page and didn't see that.</em></p> <p>The page you saw (Mostly-Music) is a fan page and is not controlled by Mostly Music. The official page (MostlyMusicFB) was deactivated so you didn't see it. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384655 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:52:19 +0000 Tomche 384655@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>DY: Even access from a place of business is supposed to be limited to use for business purposes only. How, then, can they offer a recreational service online (from their customers perspective), when recreational and entertainment websites are not supposed to be accessed (even from a business connection.) </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384651 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:38:05 +0000 DaasYochid 384651@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Voldemort,</p> <p>Why do you assume that Mostly Music's website can only be accessed from home, and not a place of business? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384649 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:14:08 +0000 Song of Blessing 384649@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>BludgerGold13380:<br /> I can confidently say that as with anything if someone is looking for trouble they can find it anywhere. ANY tool used the wrong way can do damage.</p> <p>a) if you don't know how to protect your online content (and block information you dont want strangers to see) you are at a big risk for anything you post on facebook.<br /> b) there's always been a problem with yichud on the internet and what it means. Facebook makes it even easier. So many time's I got "poked" by a guy till I asked him who he is and what he wants... now I learnt to ignore them and block the person right away...<br /> c) people aren't so careful with who they add... they think so what my friends husband added me its not like we're going to talk to each other... nice and easy way when ur both having a hard time in ur marriage to suddenly be online and say hi.... thats where major problems start.</p> <p>My belief is what you do with it. The blocking of internet can prevent many things yes - but it doesn't solve the problem, just like if you use facebook like i do to keep in touch with family and friends who are all over the world - and makes it alot easier for me to keep in touch and updated.</p> <p>I think the issue the Rabbanim have with it is that its soooo easy and so accessible to do something wrong and make a mistake and all these things just make it easier. We always created a "fence" why is there muktzah? To make a fence around ourselves. So I think I'm starting to realize that thats what the Rabbanim are trying to do - is make a fence around the internet, because the Yetzer Hara is very tricky and he knows how to get us to do the wrong thing without us even realizing it. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384647 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:47:34 +0000 Just Smile 384647@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I just checked Mostly Music's Facebook page and didn't see that.</p> <p>What I <em>did</em> see was that they have had a Facebook page for over 10 months and have only managed to get 74 likes. Far cry from a <em>"thriving business like ours with so many “followers”</em>".</p> <p>If anything, it's a smart business move for them as they will no longer need to spend business hours on it as well as take flack from the right for something that wasn't generating anything. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384645 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:44:07 +0000 voldemort 384645@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>whats the point of having a website if no one can use it anyways, because the internet is assur to have in one's home. But, once one realizes that people are using the website (ostensibly in contradiction with the "psak"), why not just keep the facebook page? </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384644 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:36:56 +0000 Tomche 384644@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>DY: He's saying that his understanding of the psak is that the only permissible use of the internet is for business purposes, and not for any personal or recreational purposes. And the only place allowed for it be accessed from, is a place of business.</p> <p> And he is asking how then can Mostly Music have any online presence, even outside Facebook (based upon their statement you quoted above of them following the gedolim), when their customer base who accesses Mostly Music's website and purchases their music online are doing so for non-business purposes, but rather for recreational purposes. Thus Mostly Music is still enabling and promoting non-business use of the internet by maintaining their e-commerce website. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384642 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:31:16 +0000 DaasYochid 384642@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p><em>So which people are now going to use mostly music? the ones who have internet at home for business purposes? If so, mostly music falls under the category of "business use" in what sense.</em></p> <p>I don't understand your question. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384641 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:18:56 +0000 voldemort 384641@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So which people are now going to use mostly music? the ones who have internet at home for business purposes? If so, mostly music falls under the category of "business use" in what sense.</p> <p>Just another P.R. stunt, being disingenuous while still not actually listening to the supposed "psak." Keep the facebook page, and allow people access to good, wholesome Jewish music, while maintaining Jewish Parnassa. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384639 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:08:42 +0000 DaasYochid 384639@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>Kudos to Mostly Music!</p> <p><em>The following post appears on the Mostly Music Facebook page:</em></p> <p>To our dear loyal mostlymusic costumers &amp; followers:<br /> Here at Mostly Music, we really appreciate you, &amp; your loyalty to us! But we also respect you, and want to do well by you in every way.<br /> That’s why, after some serious reflection, we’ve reached an important decision: effective today, we are removing our presence on Facebook.<br /> Some might say it’s a foolhardy choice that a thriving business like ours with so many “followers” can’t simply do away with its Facebook page. But we’re not just a business – we’re, first and foremost, a Jewish enterprise serving the Jewish community, and we take seriously the responsibility that gives us. It is only days since the unprecedented gathering at Citi Field at which tens of thousands came together for the sole purpose of, “taking control of the technology in our lives before it takes complete control of us”, and we feel this decision is the right one for us. Knowing our clients, we trust you’ll agree.<br /> From today on, you can “follow” us by directly visiting our website, mostlymusic.com, and enjoying the amazing selection and service with which our customers are well familiar. We will also soon be launching a separate page at mostlymusic.com featuring constant updates on all our exciting sales and endeavors.<br /> Mostly Music’s messages were going out to over 5,000 people on Facebook, no doubt an effective advertising tool which they are now putting to a stop as a result of the message of the gedolim. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384634 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:47:51 +0000 BaalSechel 384634@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>That's like asking what is so bad with smoking only one cigarette a day? It's actually not dangerous per se. But the chances of veering off course (and smoking more than one a day, or engaging in spiritually ruinous activities on fb) are excellent, unfortunately. </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384629 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:24:22 +0000 jbaldy22 384629@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>I got my job through facebook </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384624 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:11:24 +0000 coffee addict 384624@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>google it </p> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/facebook-8#post-384619 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:53:40 +0000 BludgerGold13380 384619@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ <p>So we all hear that Facebook is a terrible place to be and that no one should have one, etc. etc. So I was thinking- what exactly is the reason that facebook is so bad? If someone uses it only to keep in touch with friends and they only post appropriate pictures and they are not addicted, what exactly is so bad about it? </p> <p>Thanks! </p>