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YWN Coffee Room » Topic: What Do I Wear On What # Date? http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date YWN Coffee Room » Topic: What Do I Wear On What # Date? en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:49:43 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/search.php SJSinNYC on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46409 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:22:49 +0000 SJSinNYC 46409@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ It is the Yetzer Hora of our generation. I thought that was the internet :-/ The Big One on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46235 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:36:16 +0000 The Big One 46235@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Oz Vehadar Levusha is used in the Bais Yaakov's. Today we suffer from a great machla of pritzus, that must be fought with all our might. You literally cannot walk in the streets of some of the frummest places, without running into "frum" pritzus. It is the Yetzer Hora of our generation. areivimzehlazeh on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46066 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:36:08 +0000 areivimzehlazeh 46066@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ RY- you live in willi?? TJ on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46063 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:32:58 +0000 TJ 46063@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Sometimes, Oz Vehadar Levusha quotes sources that don't clearly support what the sefer claims that they do. For example, the Gemara in Pesachim teaches that the Torah doesn't mention the word "merkav" in connection with a zavah because it is indelicate to refer to a woman riding an animal in a straddled position under normal circumstances. This is because under normal circumstances it is only considered modest to ride sidesaddled. However, the gemara teaches that in cases where circumstances require even modest woman to ride straddled, such as when riding with children or riding on a mountainous trail or riding on a camel, it is fine to mention that they were riding straddled on the animal. The upshot of the gemara is that it is not lashon nekiya to reference behavior that is less than perfectly tzniyus. Derech agav, we see that it is considered untziyus for a woman to ride an animal straddled if she doesn't have a reason to do so. This is the source that Oz Vehadar Levusha uses for saying that it is assur for women to wear pants. It is one thing to assur women wearing pants, but it is another to cite a source that is tangentially relevant at best. This was just an example, but there are a lot of things that the sefer tries to assur that are not properly supported. Like video conferencing, for example. I can understand some people wanting to assur it, but saying that it is unequivocally assur is a ridiculous stretch. Five years ago, my Rosh Yeshiva told me that he was sent a copy of the sefer by the author for review. My RY had about 400 "he'aros" on the sefer, many of which were arguments against different things written in the sefer. The author responded that he hoped to address many of those points in a later edition of Oz Vehadar Levusha. Does anyone know if a new edition has been published since then? myshadow on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46024 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:51:40 +0000 myshadow 46024@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ lol I love hearing, this outfit is good for chol hamoed! It's so classic! RoshYeshivah on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-46011 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:24:45 +0000 RoshYeshivah 46011@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ This thread reminds me of my wife saying" this outfit is chalemodi and that one is more brisi the third one is bar mitzva style" and so forth. myshadow on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45990 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:25 +0000 myshadow 45990@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ My school held very strongly with the sefer oz vehadar levusha. What makes it not a halacha sefer gavra_at_work on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45514 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:48:35 +0000 gavra_at_work 45514@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ The Big One: Welcome back! I didn't expect you to say anything else. ROTFLOL anon for this on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45471 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:53:17 +0000 anon for this 45471@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I believe there was a story, perhaps mentioned in the gemara, about a man who lost his wealth & was forced to perform menial labor in order to earn a living. His wife used to dress in beautiful clothing & go out to meet her husband at the end of his workday, in order to help him feel better. If I remember correctly, she is praised for this behavior. Does anyone know the source for this anecdote? The Big One on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45235 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:27:23 +0000 The Big One 45235@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Oz Vehadar Levusha is a Halacha Sefer with an appendix containing the mekoros. Zalman was giving tochocho. Bemused on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45203 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:07:11 +0000 Bemused 45203@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Good point :). And even if it's hot, just make sure you're all wearing appropriate attire... jk :) areivimzehlazeh on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/4#post-45188 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:22:49 +0000 areivimzehlazeh 45188@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ tiz a good this topic is directly followed by "A Humorous Item"... it's getting kinda hot in here. Zalman & Bemused- stop stabbing at each other. This is just a general discussion- remember? yossiea on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-45072 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:31:00 +0000 yossiea 45072@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Oz Vehadar Levusha is not a halcha sefer and should not be used to pasken. Bemused on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44977 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:06:20 +0000 Bemused 44977@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Zalman, I am truly sorry that you deflect sincere and constructive criticism by pretending your assertions for your defense are "Mussar". I give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are in your twenties or thirties and have difficulty with introspection. That comes with time. I again suggest that you print out your post and its dialogue context, for this and other threads in which you have participated, and seek guidance from your Rosh Yeshiva. Perhaps your spiritual mentor will have hashpa'a over you, perhaps not. Regardless, I believe you understand my points fully, and look forward to posts from you that truly reflect a Ben Torah. Hatzlacha Rabbah. Hill of Beans on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44971 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:58:20 +0000 Hill of Beans 44971@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ In the Sefer that Bogen quoted, the alluring is referring only to the clothing ("alluring clothing"), while the rest of the items (jewlery, makeup, and perfume) are said to be assur unless used when a woman is alone with her husband. Zalman on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44950 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:43:58 +0000 Zalman 44950@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Bemused, I'm sorry that the mussar you were given did not have the positive effect intended. But continual letzanus is not an appropriate response and I truly believe you are better than that. There isn't any reason you or any poster needs to identify their age or gender as it is better left unstated. And unless someone is blogging on yw day and night, the likelihood is they will not know most others biographical data. Again, I say this with the utmost respect and hope that you can do better in the future. Everyone makes mistakes and no one is holding a grudge against you. kiruvwife on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44898 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:45:02 +0000 kiruvwife 44898@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ To doubly clarify what R' Bogen posted (I'm assuming a male title) the key adjective here is alluring. So, don't wear alluring clothes/makeup on a date. Do be nice looking, clean, put together, and tznius--that is dignified as all Bnos Yisroel should be. Zalman on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44860 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:27:50 +0000 Zalman 44860@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Bemused, Your comments fulfill the prototypical definition of letzanus. I don't know why you need to advertise your age or gender online, but no one would or needed to know it. If you are opposed to certain halachos, so be it. Don't slyly project that rejection on others. This too is said as constructive criticism that you can hopefully take to heart. Bogen on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44827 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:52:15 +0000 Bogen 44827@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Oz VeHadar Levushah Pages 70/71 Items of other cultures/highly fashionable items: 1. It is ossur min HaTorah for a man or woman to conduct themselves in a way that is typical of the cultures of the Umos HaOlam. 2. The issur applies to three types of garments: (a) Strange looking garments (b) Garments that project a feeling of superiority (c) A garment that is pritzusdik: The poskim write that a garment for females that onlooker to gaze at the wearer is subject to the issur of b'cholkoseihem. Being a pritzusdik garment, it belongs to other cultures and is foreign to Yiddishkeit (mekoros in appendex 46:7 and Responsa Divrei Chaim 1:30.) It follows that all forms of alluring dress, jewlery, makeup, and perfume are doubly forbidden (except when a woman is alone with her husband.) Firstly, it is pritzus to go around in such a way, and one who does so transgresses the issurim of "And your camp shall be holy" Devarim 23:15 AND Lifnei Ivur "Not to cause others to sin." Secondly she transgresses the issur of b'chulkoseihem - the issur of dressing in garments that are distictly designed to fit in with the pursuits of other societies. Chazal say (Sanhedrin 37a) that the word "Beged" could also be read as "Boged" (traitor). With a garment a woman can either adorn herself, or chas v'shalom turn traitor to her people. See Yeshaya 24:16 where this tragic misuse of garments is spelt out in no uncertain terms. Bemused on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44823 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:45:53 +0000 Bemused 44823@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Zalman, Using an insulting name does not lend credibility to your stance. Yes, the Rabbonim and Seforim discuss these halachik issues. Frum men don't discuss these issue with young women they meet on the street and on the internet. These issues are discussed in the Bais Medrash as well, not on the streetcorner or on blogs. I'm not sure who you refer to by "young girl", but I referred to young women, and you know very well who these are. Is discussing makeup with strange older women any more tznius? I think some frum men are already past the slippery slope stage, engaging in conversations which are an astounding breach of our Mesorah of separation. The informal and highly personal dialogue found here between the genders on such a topic evidences the compromised state of tznius that is unfortunately seen with increasing frequency, particularly on the internet. If you can handle the constructive criticism without resorting to insults, Zalman, you are definitely on the road up. oomis1105 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44821 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:43:50 +0000 oomis1105 44821@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Girls should wear makeup if they feel they need it. Not everyone is blessed with clear skin, attractive features, and natural blush. Many girls are pale and washed out and very plain, some even homely, without makeup. Should they not feel better about themselves? There is no question that wearing makeup makes most normal, healthy girls feel and look better. It makes pretty girls stunning, and makes mousy girls prettier. Maybe we should all wear burlap sacks as well, since clothing really only needs to be functional to cover up the body. it would be wonderful if no one was attracted to a partner based on looks, but ther eality is that we are, and if a little makeup helps, so be it, and B"H we have many very natural makeup approaches. syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44820 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:42:11 +0000 syriansephardi 44820@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Ames, I didn't mean they disobey rules, I meant their not up to that syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44800 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:00:53 +0000 syriansephardi 44800@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Ames: not all girls can live up to their schools standards Zalman on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44793 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:55:29 +0000 Zalman 44793@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Bemused, The letzanim ask questions like that. The Rabbonim and the Seforim discuss these halachic issues, and they are discussed in the Beis Medrash as well. And who is a young girl here? I'm not aware of most posters age or gender, unless they use an obvious name. (I have no idea what you are.) Bemused on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44783 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:43:14 +0000 Bemused 44783@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Zalman, How is it tznius for you to be engaging in a discussion with young women regarding makeup? Zalman on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44781 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:39:58 +0000 Zalman 44781@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ ames, not everyone does things correctly. That is no raya (proof). Did you see my reference to the Tanchuma Vayishlach above, regarding makeup and perfume? syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44754 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:49:46 +0000 syriansephardi 44754@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Zalman: I re-read what u wrote a few times and now I understand what u mean, I agree that a girl whose not married or up do shidduchim shouldn't really wear makeup (they can wear lip gloss and mascara, that's not a big deal but they shouldn't be wearing the other stuff) I personally don't like make up at all, I think natural is much prettier but if ur going out u gotta wear! (And don't over fo it) syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44741 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:00:27 +0000 syriansephardi 44741@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Zalman: I don't mean this in a mean wat at all I just don't understand- wat r u trying to say? h2 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44740 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:56:35 +0000 h2 44740@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ ames- I'm talking about all bais yacovs in general and they strongly discourage make up really until 12th grade graduation pics (that's already for shidduchim). Even then they onlt let certain stuff like lip gloss, light eye shadow... And you can't wear lipstick, base, blush, eye liner... Zalman on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44732 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:40:51 +0000 Zalman 44732@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ syrian, you realize its pointless to wear makeup to school, since your not trying to attract anyone at an all-girls school. That reasoning should explain why a Jewish schoolgirl (or anyone not in shidduchim yet) should not wear makeup outside of school either. Tanchuma Vayishlach Piskah Hey says that makeup and perfume is intended to beautify a wife for her husband, and that beyond that it should be used scarcely if at all. h2 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44728 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:24:06 +0000 h2 44728@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ syriansephardi: when I said assur I meant it's a real big no-no! ames: I'm not sure what school you're referring to but in my school they never let you wear make up. A few weeks ago my grade had a Shabbos together and teacher gave a whole speech on how we may not wear evena drop of make up that Shabbos. She said we shouldn't wear make up 'till we're 25 (OK, she did exaggerate)! Another teacher (the one who taught us that pasuk in yishaya) said that the only reason someone should wear make up is for her husband or when dating so a girl my age should never put on make up. In short they do tell you not to wear even out of school. syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44675 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:51:57 +0000 syriansephardi 44675@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ H2: please explain to me WHY its assur to wear makeup to school?? I think its pointless to wear to school, but not assur!!! h2 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44631 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:49:28 +0000 h2 44631@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ When is says in the navi (yishaya) ומשכרות עינים one of the miforshim (I think rashi)says that it means winking, the DRASH is that it's a VERY dark color BLUE! Also it's totally ASSUR to go to school wearing make up! yossiea on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44456 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:25:06 +0000 yossiea 44456@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Isn't going to an ayin harah lady pure 100% avodah zorah? syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44396 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:26:41 +0000 syriansephardi 44396@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Joseph: to school yes. If u were asking that bc I said my friend always wears, I didn't mean to school eyesopen on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44383 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:48:57 +0000 eyesopen 44383@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Marry someone whose looks you like because there is a good chance that your children will come out looking like your spouse! flatbush27 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44371 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:45:23 +0000 flatbush27 44371@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ think so joseph. why would you need makeup to go to school Joseph on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44357 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:18:51 +0000 Joseph 44357@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Don't the Bais Yaakov's prohibit makeup? syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44309 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:04:13 +0000 syriansephardi 44309@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Ames: haa!!! Omg my friend has such ayain hara u think its from that?!?! She ALWAYS wears black eyeliner lol!!! And in the navi it says the women used to rip their eyes with makeup- that meant eye liner cuz it looks like a rip in the eye asdfghjkl on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44259 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:19:11 +0000 asdfghjkl 44259@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ ames: ha that's real funny!!! areivimzehlazeh on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44235 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:55:12 +0000 areivimzehlazeh 44235@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ thank goodness flatbush27 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44228 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:51:01 +0000 flatbush27 44228@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ that was not my opinion. i left the computer logged on and someone else wrote that!! i do not hold that at all!!!! sorry everybody!!! areivimzehlazeh on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44227 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:50:43 +0000 areivimzehlazeh 44227@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ flatbush- does it have to be either all or nothing? why go to extremes? where is makeup assur? makeup that enhances a bit, and fits in to the natural look of the face is muttur. Extreme makeup is assur and not tzniyusdik. I always take the middle road- what's wrong with that? syriansephardi on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44214 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:17:00 +0000 syriansephardi 44214@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Flatbush: woah!!! That's NOT true, makeup assur??? No!! beacon on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44204 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:56:40 +0000 beacon 44204@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ makeup is not tznius and is assur. it's only point is to draw attention and look like the goyim. Ok. Not even going there.... flatbush27 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44095 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:18:25 +0000 flatbush27 44095@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ makeup is not tznius and is assur. it's only point is to draw attention and look like the goyim. asdfghjkl on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44033 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:34:34 +0000 asdfghjkl 44033@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ ames: i liked what you said!!! once again, great to have ya back!!! moish01 on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-44010 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:08:55 +0000 moish01 44010@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ yeah ames, but you might never get past the first date. qwertyuiop on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/3#post-43976 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:54:03 +0000 qwertyuiop 43976@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ joseph: haha.$ Joseph on "What Do I Wear On What # Date?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-do-i-wear-on-what-date/page/2#post-43960 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:45:16 +0000 Joseph 43960@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ nice pshat ames.