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<![CDATA[YWN Coffee Room » Topic: What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?]]> http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ en Wed, 22 May 2013 20:27:38 +0000 voldemort on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381618 Wed, 23 May 2012 23:13:39 +0000 voldemort 381618@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ @cheftze ... only if you accept that there are acceptable uses for the internet other than business cheftze on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381612 Wed, 23 May 2012 22:55:06 +0000 cheftze 381612@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Hebrewbooks and the like would be approved by the filter. voldemort on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381591 Wed, 23 May 2012 22:10:18 +0000 voldemort 381591@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ 1) Rav Shmuel did not. And, not to rehash this argument, but the psak of the Poskim in Eretz Yisrael are not binding on Americans (although neither are those of the American Rabonim; see next comment) 2) I have (as should everyone else) my own posek, who as well did not agree with the asifa and did not give the same psak. As such, who says I need a Heter? 3) To say that any decision made at the asifa is binding is ludicrous for several reasons. a) the entire klal Yisrael was not represented (I did not see half of Satmar, Lubavitch, the Modern Orthodox, or many people who would probably be referred to as "centrist." b) There was no consensus amongst the Rabbonim at the asifa as to what the "psak should be." 4) Defrosting: I am not sure what you would like me to take out from that גמרא . Perhaps you could please explain? (I assume the dark side joke is that, not an ad-hominem attack? :-) ) 5) My total lack of acceptance of this psak does not mean that I believe that a filter is not neccessary. EVERYONE who uses the Internet should be using a filter. We are human after all, and all possess a יצר הרע. I just don't accept the fact that the only positive use for the internet is business related. hebrewbooks.org, YUTORAH, GTORAH, and the many other sites from which one can download shiurim and/or find divrei torah, and l'havdil, the broadening of my horizons by the amount of secular learning I can accomplish, are all legitimate, and appropriate uses of the internet. cheftze on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381588 Wed, 23 May 2012 21:45:51 +0000 cheftze 381588@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Rav Kotler, Rav Solomon, Rav Ahron Feldman, Rav Ahron Schechter, Rav Harari Rafael, and many other Gedolim participated in the psak. zahavasdad on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381570 Wed, 23 May 2012 21:08:40 +0000 zahavasdad 381570@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ The ban only applies to Chasidim who were there (Not Chabad) and Litvish Followers of Rav Wosner and Lakewood. If you are Sephardic, MO , Other Charedi Yeshivas (Who did not go and might have endorsed the ban) you do not have to follow the ban as your Rabbanim did not impose it. 147 on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381547 Wed, 23 May 2012 20:37:42 +0000 147 381547@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Likewise, since this Asifah was in an archaic foreign language of Yiddish, nothing therein applies to me, because it is 1 & the same as Chinese for all intents & practical purposes. wanderingchana on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381543 Wed, 23 May 2012 20:34:20 +0000 wanderingchana 381543@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Since I don't speak Yiddish, I have no idea which version of which psak is correct. Anyone want to break it down? OneOfMany on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381521 Wed, 23 May 2012 19:53:35 +0000 OneOfMany 381521@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Defrosting: No, that's Darth Vader. ^_^ Defrosting on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381499 Wed, 23 May 2012 17:32:28 +0000 Defrosting 381499@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Voldemort, Go read Shabbos daf: 13a at the bottom see what Reb Elyahu says! He will blow your mind! I sense the dark side in you btw. kfb on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381490 Wed, 23 May 2012 16:59:56 +0000 kfb 381490@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Ohh goq.. You're so witty. You know what I am trying to say. If I'm old enough to make important decisions, I don't need other people telling me what to do. It's definitely a maturity factor here, I would like to think im mature enough to make my own decisions. I decided to get married, I decided to have children, those are pretty mature decisions cheftze on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381483 Wed, 23 May 2012 16:47:38 +0000 cheftze 381483@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Who says I need a Heter? Isn't that the psak of the poskim (Rav Chaim Kanievsky, Rav Shmuel Wosner, et al) cherrybim on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381472 Wed, 23 May 2012 16:24:29 +0000 cherrybim 381472@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ My posek says that I have to eat in the Sukkah on Shmini Atzeres and keep zmanim for davening. What is their heter for not following these psak halachos in the Shulchan Aruch? bpt on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381470 Wed, 23 May 2012 16:20:50 +0000 bpt 381470@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I cannot imagine an existence without the CR, so its pikuach nefesh! voldemort on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381453 Wed, 23 May 2012 15:40:12 +0000 voldemort 381453@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Who says I need a Heter? cheftze on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381448 Wed, 23 May 2012 15:24:13 +0000 cheftze 381448@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Didn't they also say you need a heter to even have internet with a filter? BaalHabooze on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381354 Wed, 23 May 2012 10:20:27 +0000 BaalHabooze 381354@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ the gedolim said UN-filtered internet is osur! not internet WITH a filter. so i go to YWN CR on my filtered internet throughout the day. The Goq™ on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381350 Wed, 23 May 2012 10:10:26 +0000 The Goq™ 381350@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ "If I'm mature enough to be married and have children I can decide for myself to use the Internet." So those that are unmarried and or childless are immature??? Poster on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381323 Wed, 23 May 2012 08:55:33 +0000 Poster 381323@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ kfb, so you don't need a rav at all? Do you never consult with a rav to assist you in making a decision? Being mature doesnt mean being a "know it all." gavra_at_work on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381309 Wed, 23 May 2012 07:58:10 +0000 gavra_at_work 381309@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ My Posek didn't Assur the internet. I think that's reason enough. This. Furthermore, I wouldn't consider any P'sak of Eretz Yisroel or Chassidim binding EVER. Besides, having a hetter for Parnassa is serving the almighty Dollar instead of the Ribbono Shel Olam. Afar L'Pumech of those who say the internet is assur, but muttar for parnassah. Working on shabbos is assur, but mutter for parnassah as well. gabie on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381298 Wed, 23 May 2012 05:06:33 +0000 gabie 381298@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ So the heter is " I feel like it". Anyone else? The Chassidishe Gatesheader on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381294 Wed, 23 May 2012 04:01:07 +0000 The Chassidishe Gatesheader 381294@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Pretty much similar to luv2hack, zahavasdad and kfb. All three combined. Loyal Jew on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381292 Wed, 23 May 2012 02:56:39 +0000 Loyal Jew 381292@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ kfb -- Since when does the mitzvah of kechol asher yorucho apply only to 5 year olds? Even Eisov had a posek... Loyal Jew on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381291 Wed, 23 May 2012 02:52:06 +0000 Loyal Jew 381291@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I am allowed to use only my employer's computer and with my employer's permission (he also has a filter), to do it only during breaks, to visit no sites that have anti-Torah tendencies, and to talk in my posts to the readers in general or to those who I know are men (not to women). kfb on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381230 Tue, 22 May 2012 21:43:39 +0000 kfb 381230@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Hmm let's see.. Maybe bc I'm not 5 years old and can make decisions for myself. If I'm mature enough to be married and have children I can decide for myself to use the Internet. zahavasdad on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381224 Tue, 22 May 2012 21:18:08 +0000 zahavasdad 381224@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I make all my parnassah from the internet and everyone who knows me knows this is true OneOfMany on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381220 Tue, 22 May 2012 20:38:59 +0000 OneOfMany 381220@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I have a heter to harass the trolls. Actually, just the troll. ^_^ lakewhut on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381212 Tue, 22 May 2012 20:13:32 +0000 lakewhut 381212@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Let's start with you first. wanderingchana on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381194 Tue, 22 May 2012 18:57:11 +0000 wanderingchana 381194@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ Maybe we could first establish if you hold by these presumptions?: 1) Anyone reading/posting here is obligated to abide by every psak issued by any gadol hador. 2) Anyone reading/posting here abides by any psak issued by any gadol hador unless they have a heter. 3) Anyone reading/posting here is obligated to describe their heterim to you. Sam2 on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381193 Tue, 22 May 2012 18:56:57 +0000 Sam2 381193@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ My Posek didn't Assur the internet. I think that's reason enough. luv2hack on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381192 Tue, 22 May 2012 18:50:07 +0000 luv2hack 381192@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ I don't have a filter and I don't have a heter. My husband owns his own business online and without it we would have basically no parnassah. I'm a graphic artist and to do my job I need to research, download images and look for inspiration online. My husband works from home so the internet is filter-less in our home. gabie on "What Is YOUR Heter to be on the Internet?" http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-is-your-heter-to-be-on-the-internet#post-381181 Tue, 22 May 2012 18:20:35 +0000 gabie 381181@http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/ What is YOUR heter to be on the Internet? We all know the psak halacha just issued by the Gedolei HaPoskim. You can only be online if you a) have a heter AND b) have a filter. P.S. Please no bashing or yelling or screaming "and what about you". Respectful discussion only, please.