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  • #616153
    Joseph
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    edited

    Rabbeinu Bachye (Kad HaKemach Kedusha):

    Hashem is revered in the great council of the holy ones and feared by all around Him. (Tehilim 89:8).

    #1095390
    zogt_besser
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    Shkoyach. Is rabbeinu bachyah paskening like Abaye in nedarim 10a, against rebbi elazar hakafar who holds that the nazir is a choteh, because “shetzier atzmo min hayayin?” as the rambam writes in deios ch. 3, a person actually can’t assur extra things on himself that Torah didnt assur: ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ????. There’s also that Yerushalmi that a person is going to give din vecheshbon al kol mah sheraasah eino velo achal.

    Is this a long-running contradiction that goes through the amoraim and rishonim, or is there a way to resolve it?

    #1095393
    Joseph
    Participant

    ??? ????? ????? ??? ??

    ??”? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????? ?”? ???? (??????? ????? ??): ?? ???? ?? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ?”? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??????, ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????, ???? ???? ???? ???, ?????, ?? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???, ??????? ?”? ???? (??????? ?????? ??): ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?? – ?? – ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????, ??????? ???? (???? ?): ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???.

    ?????? ???, ?? ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?”?, ??? ?? ????? (???? ?????): “?????? ????”, ?????? ????. ??? ???? (????? ??): ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? – ????? ?????. ??? ???? (??????): “???? ???? ???? ????”, ?? ?????? ??? ?????, ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???, ???? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???! ??? ???? (?????? ??): ?????? ?????, ????? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ????, ???? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???. ??? ???? (???”? ??): ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? – ????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????. ?? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??.

    #1095394
    feivel
    Participant

    I don’t believe he is giving a psak Halacha.

    He is merely doing a great Chesed, because he loves every Yid, by informing them how to be a proper Yid, an eved shlayma. How to give nachos to The Ribono Shel Olam should you desire to, to at least try to pay back for the infinite kindness He has bestowed upon you. How to merit a beautiful cheilek in Olam Ha Boh.

    #1095395
    WolfishMusings
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    What happened to the OP?

    The Wolf

    #1095397
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Maybe the original poster can repost an edited version?

    #1095398
    Joseph
    Participant

    Thanks Mods. (I haven’t checked what was edited but certainly most of it beats none of it.) Can you do the same for the Ravad in my second post?

    #1095399

    yes. a person cannot live a life of fantasy & be with Hashem on a high level. he needs to give up something for Hashem & show how much he values being with Hashem & give some physical pleasures up.

    ex. if you remove yourself from internet & running after your favorite sports team. you will definitely be on a much higher level & be much closer to Hashem-not because of removing these tumahs but for your act of showing Hashem how much you Value & treasure being with Hashem.

    start your journey of bringing yourself closer to Hashem step by step, removing one thing at a time from your physical desires & pleasures etc… it wont take long until you see the priceless difference & benefit it makes in you.

    #1095401
    Joseph
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    #1095404
    Matan1
    Participant

    Someone reads the Daas Torah blog. You should at the very least attribute your ideas to Rabbi Eidensohn.

    #1095405

    Ideas? Direct copy/paste. Or maybe he really is R Eidonsohn.

    #1095406
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    If so, may I suggest that he puts out a new Yad Moshe with all nine chalakim included?

    #1095407
    Joseph
    Participant

    Ideas? They’re all from Rabbeinu Bachye, the Mesilas Yeshorim and Yad Rama, not R. Eidonsohn. The translation is posted from RDE, but none of it are his words or “ideas”.

    #1095408
    zogt_besser
    Participant

    if it isn’t your translation, then why not make that clear in your post? in any case, you will be meivi geulah l’olam…

    #1095409
    Joseph
    Participant

    True. I should and would like to do so. I became gun-shy in attribution because at one time here (not sure if it’s still the case) if another blog was mentioned (forget linked) the post was unlikely to be approved.

    #1095410
    squeak
    Participant

    Same goes for posting. One day perhaps Joseph will also reach this madreiga.

    #1095411
    Joseph
    Participant

    Rav Yitzchok Silberstein, Chashukei Chemed Yoma 2a:

    Question: It says in Yevamos 62b) that one who loves his lives as himself and honors her more than himself….will have peace in his tent. The Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 15:19) writes that the Sages commanded that a man should honor his wife more than himself and love her as much as himself. But this requires an explanation as to why they gave such a command since we already are commanded to love our fellow man and a person’s wife is obviously included in this Torah command?

    Answer: I asked this question to my brother -in-law Rav Chaim Konievsky and he replied that it was because there are times when a person is not obligated to show love from the Torah command of “love your fellow as yourself.” For example it says in Nida (16b), Rav Shimon bar Yochai said there are 4 things that Gd hates and I don’t like. 1) A person who suddenly enters into his house and surely into the house of another person [because person they are involved in intimate matters – Rashi]. The Maharasha writes, “G-d hates them because these are matters of pritzus (immorality) but regarding himself Rav Shimon just says I don’t love them. That is because it is possible that these things are not pritzus that would justify violating the prohibition of hating another.” Consequently in such a case if the wife suddenly enters into the house then at that moment there is no obligation to love his wife from the aspect of the Torah law of “love your fellow as yourself.” However in regard to the command that is derived from “you will have peace in your tent”- there is still an obligation to love her. Furthermore there is a question regarding what the halachais when a wife sins. There is no longer an obligation to love her from “love your fellow” – in fact the opposite is true and there is an obligation to hate her. Is this rabbinic command “of peace in your tent” still applicable? It would seem that even if there is no mitzva to love her there is still a mitzva to honor her. That is because the obligation to honor her is because of gratitude because she raises the children and saves him from sin. This gratitude is still obligatory even if she sins. Therefore it is correct to honor her and to buy her appropriate clothing – even though she sins. Rav Shmuel Arvah gives an additional answer why there is a special verse to love his wife. It is based on the Maharsha (Shabbos 31a) which explains the answer of Hillel to the goy who wanted to learn the entire Torah while standing on one foot and Hillel replied that what is hateful to you do do to your fellow. The question is why he worded in a negative way that he should be good to his fellow as he is to himself? He answers that the Maharsha says that the verse of “loving your fellow as yourself” only applies to negative commands such as not taking revenge. However not to the positive commands of the Torah to do good to others. That is because your life always comes first. Consequently we can say from the obligation of loving your fellow as yourself – there is no obligation to be good to your wife as to yourself. However from the obligation to honor your wife – there is an obligation to honor [sic] her as yourself.

    Translation: R. D. Eidensohn

    #1095414
    Joseph
    Participant

    ??? ???? ????? – ???? ????

    ??? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???”? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???????, ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?”?, ???????? ???? ?????, ??? ?? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ????:

    ????? ???? (??”? ???? ???:?): ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??????, ????. ???: ???????? ????? ?”? ???? ???? ???? (?”?); ??”? ????? ???? ?????: ???? ???? (?????? ?, ??) (?? ??); ????? ??? ????? ??, ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ????, ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???”?; ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???, ?? ????? ??????, ??? ?????? ????? ?????, ??????: ??? ????? ???? (???? ?, ?) ????? ?????: ?? ????? ???? ??? ????, ?????? ????? ?? ????, ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ???? ????, ???? ???? ?????? ?????, ?? ???? ????? ??????, ?????? ??? ??? ????, ?? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?????, ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ?????, ????? ?? ?????; ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????, ?????? ????? ??????, ????? ???? ??????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????, ???? ????? ??? ?”? ??? ??? ????; ??? ??????, ?”? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ????, ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????, ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????; ??? ?????? ?????? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?”? ?????, ????’ ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????, ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????; ??? ?????, ???’ ???? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???????. ???? ?? ???, ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????, ??????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????, ??? ??? ?? ?????; ??? ????? ??, ???? ?? ????? ????.

    #1095415
    Matan1
    Participant

    Joseph, will you admit to all the posts that you took from frumteens?

    #1095416
    Joseph
    Participant

    In the beginning I tried to credit those back in the day, but anything mentioning them used to not be approved – and the only way I found they’d get on is without mentioning them. Perhaps it was deemed an infraction of the no link policy, at one point, just referencing it. (The site name was the same as the site address.)

    #1095417
    feivel
    Participant

    It’s always quite acceptable here to question,criticize,point out his past behavior ,and even embarrass Joseph.

    Kind of an understood unwritten rule of the CR. even new posters get the hang of this pretty quickly.

    I suppose you can say he brought it on himself, he is to blame for this, he keeps repeating the same behaviors. And you’d indeed have a good point.

    But I’d ask two questions:

    Does unattributed quoting, copy-pasting, even multiple screen names have much to do with the points he’s trying to make?

    And is it the middah of a proper Yid to publicly point out someone’s flaws? Especially to do so in the comfort of social acceptability and mutual support?

    (I say “especially” because it is akin to the lowly degrading “lynching” mentality)

    I’m talking generally, not necessarily about this thread. I haven’t really read it much.

    #1095418
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    maybe you are confusing the issues. You are assuming it was the no link policy, perhaps it was about the site being referenced. mentioning certain sites can be somewhat of a michshol you know. If someone reposted something from an anti frum or anti torah website, i would certainly hope they wouldn’t mention it. it’s like with the secular books, why put ideas in heads of people who are trying to keep them clear of that stuff.

    #1095419
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    im still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish by replanting someone elses thread here. why not just go there and read it.

    #1095420
    Joseph
    Participant

    Syag: In the case of frumteens your hypothesis is unlikely. If not the link issue, it may have been considered a competitive issue. (The site is no longer active as it was, when it had moderated posts by the public somewhat similar to here.) But frumteens had a glowing review by Rabbi Adlerstein in OU’s magainze, Jewish Action, for saving countless Jewish children at risk.

    I shared material when I thought it was helpful to make a point being discussed here or if it was interesting in general. Different audience, so likely most wouldn’t have seen it otherwise.

    #1095421
    Matan1
    Participant

    Rabbi Aldestein on frumteens:

    “I find Frumteens hashkafic pronouncements odious and repugnant. When I interviewed the mysterious Moderator, I told him that I would have to point out in print that our readers myself included reject his views. I made good on that promise.

    The mistake which people made (for which I have to take some responsibility) is seeing the article as some sort of endorsement of the Frumteens site, or of Mr. Frumteens. I thought I had made it abundantly clear that the site was valuable in giving parents a glimpse into the world of troubled teens. I continue to believe that many parents are in denial about what is happening in our community, and that hearing first person accounts might give some of them a jump-start into getting more involved. I have no reason to doubt that Frumteens provides a rare window into a little-understood world.

    The review did not recommend Frumteens as a place that kids should go. (It really couldnt. The readership of Jewish Action is overwhelmingly Modern Orthodox; Frumteens is geared almost exclusively to the right.) It did explain how the site attempts to help kids, and by the accounts that several of the people in the Jewish Action heard, Frumteens does do much good. I dont see why that should be taken away from it, even if other parts of the same site spew the most contemptible venom.”

    #1095422
    Joseph
    Participant

    So what we have is Rabbi Adlerstein wrote an article in JA that is completely positive about frumteens without a negative mention. He took a lot of heat from the left-wing who castigated him after OU published it. (They actually demanded he pull it from the magazine; but it had gone to print already.) So he came out with the above clarification that he doesn’t like frumteens’ positions on Zionism and Modern Orthodoxy. In the MO community you can say a lot of things, but once you say something against the holy State/Zionism or modern orthodoxy, you’ve “crossed the line”.

    #1095423
    Matan1
    Participant

    Not to get into a debate, but when you are motzi shem ra on entire community of frum, Torah observent Jews, you have “crossed the line”.

    Whatever good frumteens might have done, it is far outweighed by its krum and hateful hashkafa. The only time I ever had a thought of going OTD (B’H it was only a thought) was after becoming involved with that website.

    #1095424
    Joseph
    Participant

    He only spoke the truth. And it was necessary to speak the truth as otherwise many would have otherwise fallen pry to a non-Torah set of beliefs sold under the banner of Judaism.

    But as Rabbi Adlerstein said, the site operator who wrote most of the postings (who, by the way, is a Rov in his own right) saved countless lives of teenagers who were on the verge of falling off the derech (and worse). And even Rabbi Adlerstein, who is certainly far from being a right-winger, wrote in OU’s flagship publication what a wonderful and necessary site it is. (Despite Rabbi Adlerstein pointing out that he vociferously disagrees with the site’s Rov’s positions on Zionism and MO, stuff R. Adlerstein himself is a supporter of.)

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