April 21, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1258561
Who here calls Hashem the Abeshter?
What does it mean?
Do you call Hashem Hashem sometimes and/or Ribbono she Olam and/or G-d?
Does everyone know what you mean when you say Abeshter?
April 21, 2017 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1258569
April 21, 2017 2:05 am at 2:05 am #1258582
The Aibeshter, HKB”H, the RBS”O, Hashem Yisborach,
April 21, 2017 7:37 am at 7:37 am #1258609
“Who here calls Hashem the Abeshter?”
“What does it mean?”
Literately it means “highest one” It refers to Hashem, as you seem to have gathered
“Do you call Hashem Hashem sometimes and/or Ribbono she Olam and/or G-d?”
Yes to all
“Does everyone know what you mean when you say Abeshter?
Everyone IVe used it in front of
April 21, 2017 7:37 am at 7:37 am #1258607
Abisther is yiddish for “the one above”
April 21, 2017 7:39 am at 7:39 am #1258598
The Yiddish word Oibeshter means ‘highest one’. Oiben means high up, on top or upstairs. So oibeshter means highest, like oibeshter shtok means top floor of a building. In the Lithuanian or Russian accent, oi becomes ai. So they say it Aibeshter, which is the accent in which that term of referring to Hashem spread around.
Later, the chassidim adopted this expression and mistakenly say Uybishter, as if the original was with a ‘tzere’, instead of Oibeshter. (I suppose Americans should say Oh-bishter to be technically correct.)
April 21, 2017 10:25 am at 10:25 am #1258683
Evloution of language.
Bit like Pesach = Peisach = Puysach
Still waiting for Cholent = Chulent = Cheelent
April 21, 2017 10:25 am at 10:25 am #1258682
I learned from a rebbe who use the term “Ebeshter” (or at least it sounded like an “E” rather than a long “A”….
April 21, 2017 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1258782
Lightbrite, you might also at some point hear-
Der Fun Oiven-
The One Above
These are all Yiddish terms for HKBH
April 21, 2017 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1258796
Bashefer = creator
Derbaremdiger = Merciful one
Almechtiger = Almighty one
(though the last too are usually put together w/ God. As in “Almechtiger Gut”
April 21, 2017 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #1258810
Bashefer is common, as is Oibeshter.
April 23, 2017 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1260528
Yekke2, Cheelent! LOL
April 23, 2017 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #1260584
My paternal Litvak Misnagid side says Abesther…..
Once at a Chabad led meeting I used the term and was accused of having some Hasdidic roots, when I finished laughing I told the accuser that it was the Hasidim that were copying a litvish term.
BTW>>>we also say Tayrah
April 24, 2017 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1260674
Tzlil V’Zemer does/did (circa 1985(?)):
Feel the breeze, see the trees, miracles every day
Fields of grain, drops of rain, what are they trying to say?
Aybeshter, oh Aybehster, Aybeshter, oh Aybehster
Won’t You help us realize the miracles that You do.
You created every star and put them all right where they are
You made Heaven and You made Earth and all of your Work is true.
(Did I remember the words correctly?)
April 24, 2017 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1261166
That brings tears to my eyes. I Looooved that song!
April 24, 2017 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #1261227
Geordie, Guess we both just dated ourselves…
April 24, 2017 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1261636
What’s the problem with dating yourselves?
April 24, 2017 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1261647
Because RebYidd23 needs at least two more people for that to become marriage potential.
April 24, 2017 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #1261655
Winnie – You didn’t really date yourselves; my parents weren’t even married in 1985, and I know and love that song. Real classics stay around for generations.
April 24, 2017 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1261682
She dated herself once she said she dated herself, Yekke.
April 24, 2017 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1261683
Thank you everyone for sharing by the way.💖💜👍
I keep reading this thread and have not had anything to add. I’m just absorbing a lot of great information!
Golfer: Thanks for the new one! I haven’t heard it yet but am keeping a ear out for *Der Fun Oiven* 😊 I’ll let you know if I do.
April 25, 2017 6:37 am at 6:37 am #1261865
Not afraid to date myself. I was 10 years old in 1985. Our non-Jewish schoolbus driver, Daniel, loved the tzlil v’zemer tapes (see, dated myself again).
April 25, 2017 7:23 am at 7:23 am #1261883
It must be nice to be so young.
I was long married, and eldest child was your age in 1985. Somewhere in our basement we propably have that tape in a box cleared out of his room when he went off to Yeshiva for high school
April 25, 2017 8:42 am at 8:42 am #1261948
Geordie613 – I’m growing more and more curious to know who you are. How many Gateshead born South Africans are there who were 10 years old in 1985 and now live in Manchester? My father lived in Yeoville, my grandparents having gone by ship from Germany years before. They now live in Manchester too.
April 25, 2017 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #1262354
I wish someone would go back to all that great old music, and reproduce it, perhaps with more up-to-date arrangements, on media that we can actually play today! BUt I guess that is for another thread…
What did Daniel the bus driver think of the song “Let us grow”
April 25, 2017 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1262498
Someone did that, Winnie. I can’t remember who, but there is an albulm available with a lot of oldies sung nicely with decent music. I think his name was Mendelowitz (the one who features on Rechnitz’s albulms, I can’t recall his name just now).
April 26, 2017 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1263662
Yekke2, yes you may even know me. Sounds like one of the families that built the Adath in Yeoville, 2 of which live in Manchester now. I can’t think of any other South Africans born in Ghd who are my age here, but there’s lots of people here in Manchester, it’s growing all the time Ka”h. As they say, “Your cousin Chaim may know.”
April 26, 2017 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #1263670
WtP, He liked them all. We loved how he made up the words to veyatziv venochon.
CTL, You may have met yekke2’s grandparents on your trips to Joburg. Did you ever get to the Adath Jeshurun?
April 26, 2017 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1263667
Geordie – Yekke went back to Yeshiva and won’t be back in the CR until Tisha B’Av, but maybe he will see your post then.
That would be cute if you know each other.
April 26, 2017 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1263682
Hah, I may see him before that. Did he drop any hints where he learns? Gateshead only go back tomorrow.
April 26, 2017 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1263686
I heard that in EY, boys go back the first day of Rosh Chodesh and start the second day.
April 26, 2017 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1263702
Yes. In the Mir, 1st day Rosh Chodesh, it all starts up again.
April 26, 2017 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1263710
What do you mean by “Yes. In the Mir…?” What question is “Yes” answering? Are you saying that the Mir is different and they start the first day and not the second day?
April 26, 2017 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1263724
Yes I git to Adath Yeshurun. I don’t know if I met Yekke’s grandparents. I was there quite a bit in the late 70s. In fact I was engaged to a girl from Yeoville, her father was a retail jeweler…watchmaker by trade. But they were actually Litvaks arriving in Joburg via England in the 1930s. My friends who I always stayed with lived a good half hour walk from Yeoville and davened at the Kollel in those days, also a long walk. His wife was from CT and he was a native Saffer.
It is very strange, as the last single Ms. CTL is about to announce her engagement to a 20 something young man from South Africa. When we met him recently, a bit of Jewish geography elicited the fact that i had met his grandparents in April 1978 in Rosemont.
April 26, 2017 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #1263736
Mazal Tov CTL & Mishpacha!
April 27, 2017 5:31 am at 5:31 am #1263805
LuL, Sorry I wasn’t clear.
Yes, generally yeshivos in EY go back on 1st day and start learning 2nd day Rosh Chodesh. However, in the Mir, where I was zoche to spend two wonderful years, everything kicks off on 1st day Rosh Chodesh, whatever day of the week it is. I remember one year Rosh Chodesh was Friday Shabbos. In Gateshead the zman got going only on the Monday, after everyone travelled up on Sunday. I thought to myself. 10am Monday is 12pm in Mir. The daf (meaning the chabura that learns a daf a day which R’ Noson Zvi ztvk”l passionately promoted) are already deep into daf hey before Gateshead gets started. (I’m not having a go, I’m just saying how it is).
CTL, mazel tov on your impending simcha. That is very interesting to me. I grew up in Yeoville, and we davened in the Adath for a long time, before moving to Rav Sternbuch’s kehilla. The Kollel when you were there, would have been in Urania Street, in Observatory. I’m just too young to remember the founders of the Adath, but I remember and know the next generation of their children. They have largely left now some to EY, many in Manchester and other places. If you look online for the South African Jewish Life magazine archive, there is an article to mark the 80th anniversary of the Adath in the March 2017 issue.
April 27, 2017 7:13 am at 7:13 am #1263814
Thank you Joseph………………
This is the last of the children to marry. Looks like the CTL compound will be the scene of yet another chasunah, but this time the weather will permit everything to be held on our grounds. No split between ceremony and luncheon here and an evening affair in NY. Summertime and tents for 300+
Geodie613 will appreciate this….
The main meal will be a brai
Biltong will be cut and go into our smokehouse soon
Want to make the new in-laws feel at home, expect about 20 will make the trip and stay with us.
April 27, 2017 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1264240
That’s wonderful CTL. Will the tents be rain-proof? and more importantly, are we invited?
April 27, 2017 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1264865
Mazel Tov CTL!
April 27, 2017 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1264943
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