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    Lightbrite
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    Who here calls Hashem the Abeshter?

    What does it mean?

    Do you call Hashem Hashem sometimes and/or Ribbono she Olam and/or G-d?

    Does everyone know what you mean when you say Abeshter?

    Thanks šŸ™‚

    #1258569

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    *Shel Olam

    #1258582

    Joseph
    Participant

    The Aibeshter, HKB”H, the RBS”O, Hashem Yisborach,

    #1258609

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Who here calls Hashem the Abeshter?”

    Me

    “What does it mean?”

    Literately it means “highest one” It refers to Hashem, as you seem to have gathered

    “Do you call Hashem Hashem sometimes and/or Ribbono she Olam and/or G-d?”
    Yes to all

    “Does everyone know what you mean when you say Abeshter?

    Everyone IVe used it in front of

    #1258607

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Abisther is yiddish for “the one above”

    #1258598

    Geordie613
    Participant

    The Yiddish word Oibeshter means ‘highest one’. Oiben means high up, on top or upstairs. So oibeshter means highest, like oibeshter shtok means top floor of a building. In the Lithuanian or Russian accent, oi becomes ai. So they say it Aibeshter, which is the accent in which that term of referring to Hashem spread around.
    Later, the chassidim adopted this expression and mistakenly say Uybishter, as if the original was with a ‘tzere’, instead of Oibeshter. (I suppose Americans should say Oh-bishter to be technically correct.)

    #1258683

    yekke2
    Participant

    Evloution of language.

    Bit like Pesach = Peisach = Puysach

    Still waiting for Cholent = Chulent = Cheelent

    #1258682

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    I learned from a rebbe who use the term “Ebeshter” (or at least it sounded like an “E” rather than a long “A”….

    #1258782

    golfer
    Participant

    Lightbrite, you might also at some point hear-
    Der Fun Oiven-
    The One Above
    These are all Yiddish terms for HKBH

    #1258796

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Others include:

    Bashefer = creator
    Derbaremdiger = Merciful one
    Almechtiger = Almighty one

    (though the last too are usually put together w/ God. As in “Almechtiger Gut”

    #1258810

    Joseph
    Participant

    Bashefer is common, as is Oibeshter.

    #1260528

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Yekke2, Cheelent! LOL

    #1260584

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    My paternal Litvak Misnagid side says Abesther…..

    Once at a Chabad led meeting I used the term and was accused of having some Hasdidic roots, when I finished laughing I told the accuser that it was the Hasidim that were copying a litvish term.

    BTW>>>we also say Tayrah

    #1260674

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Tzlil V’Zemer does/did (circa 1985(?)):

    Feel the breeze, see the trees, miracles every day
    Fields of grain, drops of rain, what are they trying to say?
    Aybeshter, oh Aybehster, Aybeshter, oh Aybehster
    Won’t You help us realize the miracles that You do.
    You created every star and put them all right where they are
    You made Heaven and You made Earth and all of your Work is true.
    etc.
    (Did I remember the words correctly?)

    #1261166

    Geordie613
    Participant

    WtP,
    That brings tears to my eyes. I Looooved that song!

    #1261227

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Geordie, Guess we both just dated ourselves…

    #1261636

    Joseph
    Participant

    What’s the problem with dating yourselves?

    #1261647

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Because RebYidd23 needs at least two more people for that to become marriage potential.

    #1261655

    yekke2
    Participant

    Winnie – You didn’t really date yourselves; my parents weren’t even married in 1985, and I know and love that song. Real classics stay around for generations.

    #1261682

    Joseph
    Participant

    She dated herself once she said she dated herself, Yekke.

    #1261683

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Thank you everyone for sharing by the way.šŸ’–šŸ’œšŸ‘

    I keep reading this thread and have not had anything to add. I’m just absorbing a lot of great information!

    ——-

    Golfer: Thanks for the new one! I haven’t heard it yet but am keeping a ear out for *Der Fun Oiven* šŸ˜Š I’ll let you know if I do.

    Yays!šŸŽ©

    #1261865

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Not afraid to date myself. I was 10 years old in 1985. Our non-Jewish schoolbus driver, Daniel, loved the tzlil v’zemer tapes (see, dated myself again).

    #1261883

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Geordie613…………

    It must be nice to be so young.

    I was long married, and eldest child was your age in 1985. Somewhere in our basement we propably have that tape in a box cleared out of his room when he went off to Yeshiva for high school

    #1261948

    yekke2
    Participant

    Geordie613 – I’m growing more and more curious to know who you are. How many Gateshead born South Africans are there who were 10 years old in 1985 and now live in Manchester? My father lived in Yeoville, my grandparents having gone by ship from Germany years before. They now live in Manchester too.

    #1262354

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    I wish someone would go back to all that great old music, and reproduce it, perhaps with more up-to-date arrangements, on media that we can actually play today! BUt I guess that is for another thread…
    What did Daniel the bus driver think of the song “Let us grow”

    #1262498

    yekke2
    Participant

    Someone did that, Winnie. I can’t remember who, but there is an albulm available with a lot of oldies sung nicely with decent music. I think his name was Mendelowitz (the one who features on Rechnitz’s albulms, I can’t recall his name just now).

    #1263662

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Yekke2, yes you may even know me. Sounds like one of the families that built the Adath in Yeoville, 2 of which live in Manchester now. I can’t think of any other South Africans born in Ghd who are my age here, but there’s lots of people here in Manchester, it’s growing all the time Ka”h. As they say, “Your cousin Chaim may know.”

    #1263670

    Geordie613
    Participant

    WtP, He liked them all. We loved how he made up the words to veyatziv venochon.

    CTL, You may have met yekke2’s grandparents on your trips to Joburg. Did you ever get to the Adath Jeshurun?

    #1263667

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Geordie – Yekke went back to Yeshiva and won’t be back in the CR until Tisha B’Av, but maybe he will see your post then.

    That would be cute if you know each other.

    #1263682

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Hah, I may see him before that. Did he drop any hints where he learns? Gateshead only go back tomorrow.

    #1263686

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    E”Y.
    I heard that in EY, boys go back the first day of Rosh Chodesh and start the second day.

    #1263702

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Yes. In the Mir, 1st day Rosh Chodesh, it all starts up again.

    #1263710

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    What do you mean by “Yes. In the Mir…?” What question is “Yes” answering? Are you saying that the Mir is different and they start the first day and not the second day?

    #1263724

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Geordie613

    Yes I git to Adath Yeshurun. I don’t know if I met Yekke’s grandparents. I was there quite a bit in the late 70s. In fact I was engaged to a girl from Yeoville, her father was a retail jeweler…watchmaker by trade. But they were actually Litvaks arriving in Joburg via England in the 1930s. My friends who I always stayed with lived a good half hour walk from Yeoville and davened at the Kollel in those days, also a long walk. His wife was from CT and he was a native Saffer.

    It is very strange, as the last single Ms. CTL is about to announce her engagement to a 20 something young man from South Africa. When we met him recently, a bit of Jewish geography elicited the fact that i had met his grandparents in April 1978 in Rosemont.

    #1263736

    Joseph
    Participant

    Mazal Tov CTL & Mishpacha!

    #1263805

    Geordie613
    Participant

    LuL, Sorry I wasn’t clear.
    Yes, generally yeshivos in EY go back on 1st day and start learning 2nd day Rosh Chodesh. However, in the Mir, where I was zoche to spend two wonderful years, everything kicks off on 1st day Rosh Chodesh, whatever day of the week it is. I remember one year Rosh Chodesh was Friday Shabbos. In Gateshead the zman got going only on the Monday, after everyone travelled up on Sunday. I thought to myself. 10am Monday is 12pm in Mir. The daf (meaning the chabura that learns a daf a day which R’ Noson Zvi ztvk”l passionately promoted) are already deep into daf hey before Gateshead gets started. (I’m not having a go, I’m just saying how it is).

    CTL, mazel tov on your impending simcha. That is very interesting to me. I grew up in Yeoville, and we davened in the Adath for a long time, before moving to Rav Sternbuch’s kehilla. The Kollel when you were there, would have been in Urania Street, in Observatory. I’m just too young to remember the founders of the Adath, but I remember and know the next generation of their children. They have largely left now some to EY, many in Manchester and other places. If you look online for the South African Jewish Life magazine archive, there is an article to mark the 80th anniversary of the Adath in the March 2017 issue.

    #1263814

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Thank you Joseph………………
    This is the last of the children to marry. Looks like the CTL compound will be the scene of yet another chasunah, but this time the weather will permit everything to be held on our grounds. No split between ceremony and luncheon here and an evening affair in NY. Summertime and tents for 300+

    Geodie613 will appreciate this….
    The main meal will be a brai
    Biltong will be cut and go into our smokehouse soon

    Want to make the new in-laws feel at home, expect about 20 will make the trip and stay with us.

    #1264240

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    That’s wonderful CTL. Will the tents be rain-proof? and more importantly, are we invited?

    #1264865

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Mazel Tov CTL!

    #1264943

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    WTP………………..
    Thank you.
    Yes the tents will be rainproof. They also will have floors and be elevated 6″ above ground level to avoid any water problems. We’ve much experience with tents/simchas on our grounds.

    Are you invited? As far as I am concerned all my CR friends have an invitation. That said, we all know that Mrs. CTL and the Kallah will make those decisions. It is Poppa’s job to pay and shep nachas.

    And for the young ladies asking all the questions about shadcanim and shidduchim. The couple were introduced by mutual friends. This makes all 5 CTL children engaged/married without a professional shadchan. Ms. CTL did not like a single boy the shadchan arranged in Australia, came back to the USA for the spring semester, told Mrs. CTL that she would not be doing anything until the summer break and by March 1 a friend fixed her up, by Pesach we met the boy. His parents are flying in right after Lag B’omer and an early August wedding is in the works….

    #1330498

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Reply to Yekke2
    Hi Yekke2. Replying to your message of 25th April. Hope you had a shtarke zman. Well have you asked cousin Chaim who I am?

    #1330530

    yekke2
    Participant

    Hello Geordie613!!

    Just saw your response from back then.

    I think you’re spot on about who I am. Have you identified me personally or just my family name?

    As to my cousin Chaim – I have more than one cousin Chaim. I imagine you are referring to Manchester raised one; I haven’t seen him in a long time. But I will ask him!!

    Do we know each other?

    Hah, I may see him before that. Did he drop any hints where he learns?
    I did learn in Gateshead for a couple of years, I am now in Eretz Yisroel. I have (accidentally) dropped some vague hints about where I learn – and it’s not the Mir.

    #1330536

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Hello. I haven’t identified your family name, but I’ve worked out two possibilities. And Chaim knows both of them well!! šŸ˜‰

    #1330551

    Joseph
    Participant

    If I’d be part of this conversation I know the mods would be yelling at me. šŸ˜‰

    #1330553

    yekke2
    Participant

    Let me guess – Chaim’s fathers family and his mother’s family?

    I am from his fathers family.

    Hah, I may see him before that.

    Wonder what that refers to?

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    #1330638

    If Iā€™d be part of this conversation I know the mods would be yelling at me. šŸ˜‰

    Guilty as charged Joseph, but they are trying to figure out if they know each other, not trying to find out who someone is (in case you were wondering)

    #1330659

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Joseph and Mod. We’ve made contact, so you won’t be feeling left out anymore.

    #1330684

    Joseph
    Participant

    Now I’m really feeling left out!

    Hey, me too! – 29

    #1330720

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Sorry Joseph.

    Actually I think I saw you today. Were you in Manchester this morning?

    #1330745

    Joseph
    Participant

    I’m unmissable. Yes, that was me. You looked good, by the way.

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