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  • #1212258
    ☕️coffee addict
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    is one obligated to be moser to acs someone that has a problem taking care of their children, has bedbugs, is overly cluttered and the parents are mentally and/or physically disabled, or should they stay quiet and let the family take care of themselves to the best of their ability

    any thoughts on this

    #614603
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Neither.

    #1212259
    147
    Participant

    ACS is corrupt thru & thru, and are only interested in themselves and in destroying men, even if to destroy a man will mess up the children they supposedly are mandated with taking care of.

    #1212261
    Joseph
    Participant

    It’s prohibited. Like 147 said, the absolute last thing on these government bureaucrats mind is the welfare of the children. Nothing can be worse for the children than to seize them from their parents and put them into some foreign foster home or orphanage who they never met in their life, together with untold numbers of other uncared for children.

    And it is especially disturbing that this question is being asked about a parent who has clutter in their home or bedbugs or is physically disabled. Being in a wheelchair or having clutter is a reason to throw children’s lives, and parent’s lives, into a situation of far worse turmoil?

    #1212262
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    so how does one go about helping these people?

    #1212263
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    wow, rebyidd is a navi

    RebYidd23

    I got the subtitle I asked for

    Neither.

    Posted 1 hour ago #

    coffee addict

    having withdrawal symptoms

    is one obligated to be moser to acs someone that has a problem taking care of their children, has bedbugs, is overly cluttered and the parents are mentally and/or physically disabled, or should they stay quiet and let the family take care of themselves to the best of their ability

    any thoughts on this

    Posted 59 minutes ago #

    #1212264
    Joseph
    Participant

    so how does one go about helping these people?

    Pay for a cleaning lady, buy them new mattresses, help them carry their groceries and give them tzedakah.

    #1212265
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    And it is especially disturbing that this question is being asked about a parent who has clutter in their home or bedbugs or is physically disabled. Being in a wheelchair or having clutter is a reason to throw children’s lives, and parent’s lives, into a situation of far worse turmoil?

    so what is the alternative to get bitten by bedbugs and not being taken care of properly which will cause a lot of other turmoil?

    #1212266
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    If you see bruises on the children YOU MUST call ACS and remove the children and get them out of there ASAP

    Also if you are a mandatory reporter and suspect things like Malnutrition also call ACS ASAP

    #1212267
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    i see, will doing those thing ensure that there is no bedbugs?

    #1212268
    picturesq
    Member

    huh, bedbug bites is a reason to take children away from their parents?? What about mosquito bites, if the parents aren’t properly protecting the children from mosquitoes – should ACS put those children into foster homes?

    #1212269
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    picturesq,

    do you know how one gets bedbugs?

    #1212270
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    How does one get bedbugs? If I got bedbugs, would you report me to the ACS and try to get my kids taken away from me?

    #1212271
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    There are plenty of other ways to help.

    #1212272
    mommamia22
    Participant

    What do you mean by “problem taking care of their children… Overly cluttered… And mentally/physically disabled”?

    These terms are all too vague (and perhaps subjective).

    They could be extreme or they could be minor.

    #1212273
    Joseph
    Participant

    Minor? Why is it a parent’s fault for being physically disabled? The other “faults” are, too, a tempest in a teapot. Should the disabled now be prohibited from having children?

    #1212274
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    The community should help disabled people raise their children if their disabilities prevent them from raising children properly on their own.

    #1212275
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    lior,

    its not a parent’ks fault if they were disabled

    i dont think the people in the cr know what acs does and how they do it and there is a lot of talk that all acs does is take away kids.

    that is a LAST RESORT

    #1212276
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    rebbyidd,

    its a good idea, who’s going to start it? im not the type of person to, so im out

    #1212277
    Joseph
    Participant

    Once ACS puts their boots into a families neck, it will be long and hard in coming before those government bureaucrats take it out, if ever before the children attain majority. ACS are not a bunch of loving, caring volunteers coming to help out families while minimally intruding into their lives.

    #1212278
    mommamia22
    Participant

    We’re not talking about fault.

    We’re talking about capability, with or without assistance.

    In some cases, help may be refused or simply not suffice to meet the needs of the child in that home environment.

    This is not about fairness, fault or equal rights and opportunities.

    This is about “can do” with or without help.

    The OP did not provide enough information for anyone to properly respond (nor, do I think, we should).

    This is a question for a professional from a social services-mental health facility to address.

    It sounds like the OP is convinced this is a case of neglect whereas we, fellow CR visitors, do not necessarily agree.

    #1212279
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    lior,

    that could be true, however their reason is because they need to be 100% sure the children are safe (true, its not because they “care for the children, rather its because they don’t want to be yelled at)

    #1212281
    healthcrazy
    Member

    if the children were being mistreated to the extent of maybe abuse , then ACS must be called ASAP.

    the situation that coffee addict describes seems like a family that could just simply use some money for like a “cleaner” home and money to get help watching the children-babysitter.

    a cluttered and bedbug filled home isn’t safe nor healthy, therefore something must be done. but, I don’t think the answer is calling ACS. I think that the answer might be a new home(because bedbugs never go away, they just come back), and someone to help run the home and watch the kids.

    #1212282
    picturesq
    Member

    “I think that the answer might be a new home(because bedbugs never go away, they just come back)”

    So once a home had bedbugs it should be condemned and no one should ever live in it again?

    #1212283
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    picturesq,

    yes, unless the house is bombed

    healthcrazy,

    all their stuff has to be thrown out or put in the dryer and im not sure theyre going to throw everything away

    #1212284
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What do you mean by “bombed”?

    #1212285
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Bedbugs don’t live in the house itself, just in the furniture.

    #1212286
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    dy,

    they evacuate the house and the exterminator puts a strong chemical to kill all the bugs

    rebyidd,

    not true, they can hide in the walls

    #1212287
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    i suggest you wiki beddbugs, itll tell u all u need to know, however its not for the queasy

    #1212288
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Calling an exterminator and buying a new house are not precisely the same things.

    Had you meant bombed in the other sense…

    #1212289
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    dy,

    who said anything about buying a new house?

    #1212290
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Healthcrazy.

    #1212291
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    oh, bombing is expensive btw, and they dont own, they rent and the landlord is having a hard time evicting them (they dont want to leave because no landlord will accept them)

    #1212293
    Mammele
    Participant

    I believe in NYC the landlords are responsible for exterminating the bedbugs. (As unfair as it may be to landlords).

    Bedbug treatment can be successful, albeit expensive, but only if the occupants are cooperative. And sometimes multiple units are infested so they must all be treated simultaneously to avoid reinfestation. The sooner it’s treated, the better as these bugs unfortunately do multiply. And believe it or not cleanliness is not really a factor, it’s more a matter of bad luck. (Although “clean” sensibilities come into play with how seriously it’s handled after becoming aware that one has them.)

    My best advice would be to try to set up a fund and tackle these issues one by one as money is the answer to most of it…

    #1212294
    Joseph
    Participant

    Then report the landlord to ACS and to the city Department of Housing.

    #1212295
    The little I know
    Participant

    Aside from the legalities about the requirements to call ACS, one must be realistic. There has probably never been, anywhere in the world, or throughout history, a government agency as inept as ACS. We are often exposed to stories of where they were brought into a case that required true intervention, but never accomplished it effectively, damaging children. They have also needlessly traumatized countless families, treating them like criminals for absolutely nothing. I have witnessed both. The only thing I would hope is that ACS gets some sort of external audit, and that the logical conclusion is that it is dismantled, to be replaced by a new agency with competence. Wishful thinking.

    #1212296
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    lior, the landlord didnt bring the bedbugs in, secondly what would that do, acs would take away his kids? the landlord would say his tenants brought them in and were back to square one

    #1212297
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    the little that I know,

    very true!

    #1212298
    oomis
    Participant

    The frum community needs to get involved. ACS reporting is mandatory for people in the health professions and social workers who are aware of a problem. If you are merely a neighbor who notes things going on, perhaps you can get your local shul involved, a Rov and Rebbetzin, Bikur Cholim, etc. to see how they can help.

    Find out who their family members are and if due to their seeming lack of interest it becomes NECESSARY, let it “slip” that you heard that someone has been talking about calling in Child Services. That sometimes spurs errant family to get involved where they have made themselves “nisht visindig” prior to this, expecting other people to pick up the slack. And if they only do it because of fear of what other people might say (I have seen that, too), it is still probably better than social services getting involved.

    #1212299
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    the little that I know,

    very true!

    Does that mean you changed your mind?

    #1212300
    picturesq
    Member

    coffee addict: The landlord has the legal responsibility of getting rid of the bedbugs irregardless of how they got in. The tenant should withhold the rent until the landlord cleans it up and if necessary use the rent money that he is withholding to get an exterminator and/or file a housing complaint. Housing and the courts will uphold the tenants right to insist the landlord clean it up irregardless of its source and withhold the rent until it is done.

    #1212301
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    DY,

    yes, I have. I understand it’s not my place to tell acs, they have someone that’s a “mandated reporter” that is involved with them, and technically it’s their job to deal with them however they see fit, not mine. It’s that they refuse a lot of help that they could get due to the clutter (possible hoarder)

    #1212302
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    How do you know its bedbugs and not something worse like Fleas (Yes fleas can get into apartments and bite kids)

    #1212303
    lesschumras
    Participant

    picturesq, it’s not that simple. My aunt’s landlord kept sending exterminators but she refused to let them in. If these parents are doing the same, they can’t withhold rent

    #1212304
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    “Irregardless” is a non-word that means “not regardless”.

    #1212305
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    zdad,

    because I have seen them and know what they look like, and the exterminator said that it is

    #1212306
    picturesq
    Member

    LC: I agree. If the tenant refused the landlords offer to exterminate it is the tenants problem. But the landlord is responsible to offer to send an exterminator.

    Morah23: Thank you. 🙂

    #1212307
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    picturesq,

    what if they didn’t listen to the exterminator to throw things out?

    #1212308
    picturesq
    Member

    The exterminator already came to exterminate the house?

    #1212309
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    The house doesn’t need to be exterminated. Only the bugs.

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