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I am a 20 year old who started dating around 2 months ago. I often hear people say that the shidduch crisis is caused by the fact that boys are waiting until 23 to date and girls are starting at 19-20 to date which causes an age gap crisis. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant to this post. What is relevant to this post is that many girls will say no to going out with me simply for my age ( I know this is the reason because I am told outright) without doing any research about me. Almost every time I mention to someone that I am dating people make snarky comments about my age and Ive heard multiple girls refer to guys my age as being “just a baby” without judging the character. So my question is how real would you say age discrimination is for younger boys, and what can shadchanim, parents, and teachers do to change the idea that you should say no to a shidduch just because of the age?
People should be allowed to say no for whatever they want. A shidduch has to go through with both sides willing to go forward.
In Chabad bochurim generally do smicha before marriage. As my relative isn’t a learner type, he hadn’t done smicha. I think if he would have and also been consistent with Minyan etc the girls would considered him much more seriously. Incidentally, I know of another boy who was 20, not in Yeshiva as he wasn’t learning well, but serious frum boy who showed up to Minyan every morning, learned every day and worked. He got married at 20.
I think you need to ask yourself why you feel youre ready now and what you have to offer as far as showing you are a responsible frum boy. My relative thought he could marry a really good girl without making major effort because there are more girls than boys. Once he saw a girl and get family won’t just say yes, and if he wants a good girl he needs to make effort, he started taking his own responsibilities such as being consistent with Minyan, kovea itim etc allot more seriously, and he found his match rather quickly when he reentered the parsha at 21.
Hi I had a relative in the same boat. Once he turned 21 shadchanim and girls families took him allot more seriously and bh he got engaged to a wonderful girl! He also matured allot within the year which helped im sure.
The OP is proof that NASI has failed.
Sorry for what you are going that. If you are in a community where just about everyone does one thing and you are doing something else there will be people who will take that as a red flag and not look into it. If they are being redt enough shidduchim that may work for them. Whether right or wrong I think that’s how it is. Same with someone who works in a learning community or someone who goes to a different type of yeshiva.
It’s unfortunate that there isn’t more flexibility to allow for more differences after all some boys would be better off getting married at 20 and other and 23 and still others aren’t ready at 25.
See joe, he agrees with me
(i was about to put an emoji so u know im saying it with a smile but i dont really do that, forgot how to imply it tho)I would definitely look into you. I do not discriminate by age.
I’m 20 right now, and I do believe that there are boys on my maturity level and age level. But, being in Israel I see plenty of boys around this age doing really stupid things, and the boys I meet who are older seem to have matured out a bit. But everyone is different, I would definitely look into your, get your resume, etc.I’m just saying, it’s a strange world for us girls where one day you can get redt to a 20 year old and the next day to someone who is 27.
Nothing should b done. A person should b able to say no to a sandwich for whatever reason they want even if it wrong or makes no sense it is their right and their loss and if u don’t agree with their shitos maybe u don’t want to b involved with them either way. And yes the discrimination is real I experienced it #gotintheparsha@21 #notbecuzofnasi #stay strong #freedomtosayno
Neo-Chassid:
Wow that’s impressive, the fact that you are 20 with a Rabbi. Do you know how many boys I get redt to who are 25 and have no Rabbi? Anyway, I hear you. I’m saying there are girls who would look into you, and if someone isn’t than they aren’t for you anyway.
In the Chasiddish world the bachrim get engaged at 18 or 19.
I have friends in the balabatish world who also I were 20 when they got engaged. Great marriages.
In Israel they also get married earlier.
I would say from my experience that a bachor can be rbe ready to get married at 20.
Whether or not there will be a girl that will agree to this in the Yeshvish world is most likely not.
If that is who you are and what you want, I would wait another year or more for sure.You mentioned you are working part time and want to support your wife. This is very admirable!
I would say to again to wait because this is also what most girls who want working boys would want.
If you push your agenda too much you might get an unwelcome name in your community.
Find another goal to work on this next year so you will feel you are accomplishing.If you are a 20 year old bochur you should ask family members, extended family members, and friends from different communities to set you up. As a bochur who started going out since I was 21 (23 now), you should stay away from formal singles events even if they list “20 and up”. you will feel like you at a Republican Convention, as many of the desperate singles will be many many years your senior. Your
Your chevrusa may have a sister or cousin for you
May I be so bold as to suggest a shidduch between Neo-chossid and shopping613?
Don’t feel bad about the age discrimination. It’s not immature, or not taking your personality into account. Many girls prefer an older boy, just like they prefer a taller boy. This is why there will always be an age gap. Especially when most boys prefer a younger girl. I can go into the reasons for this if anyone is interested, but these are the facts. There are rules for attraction. It’s not just personality. Maybe if people paid more attention to the rules of nature, then we could work towards a better solution to the shidduch crisis. But I have a lot of respect for you for trying to get married young. I wish more people would do that. Trying to find a shidduch will make you more mature, as above posters have found, when reality hits you. If Nasi succeeds in getting boys to consider marriage earlier, it will be well worth it.
Rational Jew: “I can go into the reasons for this if anyone is interested”
I’m interested in hearing you go into this reason.
“if people paid more attention to the rules of nature”
Which rules are you referring to?
P.S. Well stated comment.
Thanks for making a suggestion!
I’m currently living in Israel and consider myself to be Chareidi, and I share a lot of opinions with Joseph.
I don’t have a smartphone, and I don’t want any secular media, in my house.
I’m not quite sure there’s any single people on the CR who share my ideaology…Shopping613: Please put that unto your shidduch resume. I’ve B”H seen many singles find their bashert by associating their hashkofos with mine. 😂
I use internet with filters. Too.
In any case, I’m staying right here.Joseph,
Thank you for your interest and your kind compliment.
In short, the natural female preference for an older, taller and stronger husband is the need for a man who can protect and provide for her. The Torah says “You will desire your husband, but he will dominate over you.”
Women are generally more attracted to men who are confident and have more money to support a family.On the other hand, Hashem gave men a preference for younger women, since that means a greater chance for more children, besides giving a greater chance of being the dominant partner. Men are not as limited in that respect and can have children much later in life. Beauty is an indication of youth amongst other things.
Isn’t there a famous story of Reb Moshe telling a bochor that his Rebbetzin is taller than him, to encourage him to get engaged to a taller girl?
5TownsMom: What do you know of these 2 besides their age and coffee room habits? There is the famous story in the Gemara of the matrunisa who randomly paired up her servants with disastrous results!
You are expected to make money if you want female companionship. When they called you a baby, they really meant you haven’t earned female companionship.
You have to earn it!
Break your arrogance by dating an older woman. :^)
Be willing to go out with girls who are heavier and/or more “plain.”
Women who are good looking have a pre-disposition to be high-maintest and expect more money out of you for her to consider you to even breathe in her vicinity (What part of Bat Melech do you not understand?).
Rabbi Mordechai Dolinskey (shlit”a) wrote a book called “Don’t Judge A Book By Its Cover.” In it he says males make looks a huge priority not because they are baalei taivoh but because of self-esteem.
Just let go, find female who is a ballit middot AND observes the dictates of leading mainstream ultra-orthodox Rabbis (Who are the truly Orthodox), and is especially careful with the halachos of dress code. If she does not believe in that, its unimportant to her, or is not comfortable with that, then that is a conclusive indicator that she has fundamental issues with her emunah and its neccarilly infecting her learning and shmirat ha’mitzvot. Such a girl must daven to the Ribono shel Olam and seek the guidance of a legitimate Torah personality.
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