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  • #914896

    ZeesKite
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    Really “Old Foolish King”, that’s the name Sholom Hamelech gave to an entity known to cause people to scoff at the Torah, it’s laws and customs, it’s people. How appropriate for this time of Chanuka ???? ??? ????? ??????.

    I’m not poskenig on anything (I haven’t any semicha, OBVIOUSLY), that’s just not know a Yiddishe “Jew” talks. Must be from one of those…

    #914897

    Health
    Participant

    old man -“Lesson: Judaism permits the use of the brain before reaching far-flung and quite impossible halachic conclusions.”

    Thank you – Rabbi/Poisek for agreeing with me about the obvious.

    #914898

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I don’t think you have to be mad at him for saying something that was a non-starter to you.

    As I said, I actually am Noheg like that but not Me’ikkar Dedina, perhaps not even as a Chumra, only as Milsa Dechasidusa. That’s what my family did, and I followed.

    #914899

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It comes from “1” Rosh Hayeshiva

    Do you have someone specific in mind, BTW?

    #914900

    Health
    Participant

    HaLeiVi -“It comes from “1” Rosh Hayeshiva

    Do you have someone specific in mind, BTW?”

    I do. I heard it from s/o who said it in the name of a RY in Brooklyn. I didn’t hear it from him directly and he isn’t alive anymore, nor was he my RY, so I’m reluctant to post his name.

    #914901

    peacefull
    Member

    An interesting topic. I also know Ehrlich Yidden that hold this Minhug, however, they (probably) weren’t so careful if mistakenly said A Gutten Shabbos on a Friday afternoon, to keep Kidushas Shabbos & Isur Melocha from then on.

    I also understand “old man” point, but should have been brought out with more respect towards Torah.

    Basicaly said, this is a Hidur / Chumrah in Kidushas Shabbos.

    Btw,in a Neder there can be Divorim Sh’blev, if it’s said out in a Loshon of Neder but wasn’t meant so.

    #914902

    Health
    Participant

    peacefull -“Btw,in a Neder there can be Divorim Sh’blev, if it’s said out in a Loshon of Neder but wasn’t meant so.”

    In no way is saying “Good Shabbos” a Loshon of Neder.

    #914903

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Health, but as I wrote earlier, being Mekabel Shabbos is treated like a Nedder.

    #914904

    Health
    Participant

    HaLeiVi -“Health, but as I wrote earlier, being Mekabel Shabbos is treated like a Nedder.”

    But my point is saying Good Shabbos is Not being Mekabel Shabbos, nor is it a Loshon of Neder. People think by using fancy Jewish terms they can fool others into thinking that this is a Halacha or some Chumra based on Halacha. Unless you say it’s some sort of Maaris Ayin -I see no basis for this “Chumra”.

    #914905

    shmendrick
    Member

    To those who stubbornly claim that there is “no basis for this ‘chumra’ ” and try to convince other not to be concerned over this inyan which impact shmiras shabbos –

    Below are TWO concurring sources of a posek hador and a renown Talmid Chochom, Rav S.Z. Auerbach and Harav Moshe Shternbuch. I accept these as better halachic authorities than Health, b’michilas kvodo.

    The seforim of these gedolim are cited below and can be looked up by anyone who can read Hebrew without nekudos.

    See http://e.yeshiva.org.il/ask/?id=2968:

    Question:

    Is it proper to extend greetings of Shabbat Shalom (Gut Shabbos) on Friday prior to Mincha?

    Answer:

    [Zachor et Yom HaShabbat]

    [The Halacha is that Biblical Mitzvot require intention (Kavana) for observance. See Shulchan Aruch Orech Chayyim 60:4]
    [an hour and fifteen minutes prior to sunset on a day wherein there are twelve daytime hours]

    Rabbi J. Simcha Cohen

    Now you know WHEN it’s time to say Gut Shabbos…as Reb Abie Rotenberg sings.

    #914906

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Why do you speak derogatorily about people who are Mechaven to Reb SZ Auerbach, as per Reb Moshe Shternbuch?

    #914907

    shmendrick
    Member

    Health, are you maskim that these is “some” basis for this chumrah or do you think that Reb SZ Aurebach and Rav Moshe Shternberg and this “1” unnamed RY from Brooklyn OBM are also all c”v megaleh ponim batorah shelo k’halacha?

    Your postings may have caused readers to be nichshal in melacha b’shabbos!! Ignorance is no excuse for being machshil ess harabbim.

    #914908

    shmendrick
    Member

    I am mochel that you were poygeyah in my kovod, and a talmid chochom cane be mochel on his kovod, but you also likely caused a pegiyah in kovod shomayim by being machti ess harabim by telling the public that they may say gut shabbos on Friday afternoon.

    #914909

    Health
    Participant

    shmendrick – “Your postings may have caused readers to be nichshal in melacha b’shabbos!! Ignorance is no excuse for being machshil ess harabbim.”

    Again you are Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’Halacha. You didn’t even read or understand your own post. There’s No Chiyuv.

    Also, I said there could be an Inyan because of Maaris Ayin. R’ SZ Auerbach says Tarti Disasrey which is very similar to Maaris Ayin, even though not exactly the same.

    There is only a basis to keep this Chumra if you’re a Talmid of those two Rabbonim in EY. (Or a Talmid of the RY Z’tl in Brooklyn. Or a Talmid of anyone else who holds this.)

    You are still Megaleh Ponim because you said before the BH (Chofetz Chaim) Paskens like the R’ A. Eiger. So since we hold like the C.C. usually – there is no reason like R’ SZA says “Indeed, the stature of HaRav Akiva Eiger is so great that it is proper to be concerned with his halachic positions.” R’ SZA doesn’t have to hold like the CC, but unless you’re a Talmid of R’ SZA you don’t have to hold like him over the CC!

    #914910

    shmendrick
    Member

    It is “ah GITTEN erev shabbos” not “ah gutten” as in gluten.

    #914911

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Or A Gütten erev Shabbos.

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