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I am simply appalled at this despicable boy who made such a colossal chillul hashem.
Of course, @Joseph will come to his defense (as he always does when he defends the Holocaust-denying animals from Neturei Karta).
Why does YWN call him a yeshiva bochur? He says he’s a university student.
charedi chinuch .
Liberalism, my friends. Its contagious.
Why is it so appalling that there exists someone who disagrees with your opinion?
That is obviously not what he found appalling, and comments like that are very unfair. Ive have been the victim of those as well and it is very hurtful sometimes. When someone makes an emotional statement and it gets twisted just enough to make the post look petty it’s not right. If you disagree, just say so.
I didn’t watch the video and I haven’t followed the details of the har habayis current events, but it would seem pretty apparent that if these new security measures were really an important part of securing har habayis, they would have been introduced years ago. There have been these types of hat habayis terrorist incidents for years. So why would they wake up now?!
The truth is that most of these types of measures are political moves and political posturing meant to please the citizens of the State who are demanding security, as well as to placate the right wing fringe that want more control over hat habayis. I’m not denying that there is a security need for these metal detectors, but don’t be fooled by what the govt is telling you. They’re not as important as the politicians (and politics minded security people) make it out to be. There are many intelligent non-chareidi people who agree with this bochur.He says that metal detectors are not effective. As far as I know metal detectors beep when you walk through with weapons. It seems to me to be a good way of stopping people with weapons.
Furthermore he claims that when 200,000 people want to go up to Har Habayis in an hour the challenge of putting everyone through the detectors is to great. When do 200,000 people need to go up in an hour? And even if they do it is possible to put many metal detectors.the fellow says “they are not effective” several times.
Ask him “In that case there should not be metal deteCtors ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, RIGHT??”
THE FACT IS SIMPLE: IF THEY WERE NOT EFFECTIVE, THE ARAB WORLD WOULD NOT BE SO MESHUGA AGAINST THEM. THE DETECTORS STOP THEM FROM KILLING JEWS – THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SCREAMING.heiken: I beg to differ but I do not believe this rises to a chilul hashem. I agree that his viewpoint is misguided.
Toras avigdor
“There have been these types of hat habayis terrorist incidents for years”source please.
Can you provide examples of shootings on har habayis for years?
thanksWhy would the Arabs protest a simple thing like a metal detector, when its well known that ALL THE JEWS VISITING THE KOSEL ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO PASS A METAL DETECTOR?
Why is that an impediment to peace?
Its the most normal thing here in Israel, they even have them in malls and shopping centers here.
The Arabs are looking for excuses to riot.The Gra says that some of the erev rav appear quite religious.
A few points:
1. At the end of the interview, the interviewer asks the boy if he is a student of the “holy scriptures”, and the boy said no, he is a university student. Clearly that does not reflect the typical “Chareidi Yeshiva Bochur”, so why use that label? Agenda much?
2. I strongly disagree with the boy’s opinions on the metal detectors, and I was surprised to learn that there weren’t metal detectors [until] after the incidents of this past week. Jews have to pass through them to go to the Kosel, after all. But to call him a despicable boy is extremely out of line. He was not holding signs and making a public spectacle of himself in the middle of Manhattan a la Neturei Karta. He got asked to do an interview, and he seemed rather unprepared for it.
3. We’re about to hit the 12 hour mark since this thread was published, and no sign of Joseph yet.
What a classic CR thread. Let’s find some random misguided and marginalized individual, plaster him with the label of a group we don’t like, and then hurl nastiness at him.
At least during the nine days, I was hoping we could be better than this.
Moilech, on what basis do you have an opinion? Are you a senior security official? You don’t even know what you want to study yet.
As for control of Ha HaBayit, do you believe that it is ours? Do you believe that EY is ours? If not, what are you doing here?
Avi K,
As for control of Ha HaBayit, do you believe that it is ours? Do you believe that EY is ours? If not, what are you doing here?
I believe Har Habayis and Eretz Yisroel belong to Hashem.
So someone interviews a complete imbecile about a subject, and then bothers to disagree with him? I am appalled that anyone cares what this fool says. Sure, he’s entitled to his opinion. So are millions of others, even me. What makes his opinion worthy of discussion?
This is a sign of the times. The internet lends an air of authority to statements from those least qualified to make them. Such a shame that our own media outlets give any time and bandwidth to this.
Ubiq,
There have been terrorist incidents for years that emanated from Har Habayis. Whether guns were used or not, is not the issue. The danger of someone bringing a gun up there was well known for many years. However, the govt weighed the options and decided that to make a change in the status quo wouldn’t be worth it. But Netanyahu is a shoot from the hip type of guy who often makes errors like this. And usually he bows to the pressure and reverses course. I imagine that it will happen again in this case.TorahAvigdor: The reason they just “woke up” to this is because someone snuck guns up and shot two police officers less than two weeks ago.
Guardmytongue’s child once suggested that Pharaoh should have been friends with Haman. Should we shame him for his appalling statement?
Avram, the whole world belongs to Hashem. So do all of your possessions (Haggai 2:8). However, Hashem gave us the use (Tehillim 115:16). That is why it is called Eretz Yisrael.
Seems that our young friend was right. This was all politics and the metal detectors are not really needed for security reasons. Otherwise why were they removed so quickly, endangering Yerushalayim, just to get one trigger happy security guard back from Amman?
Toras Avigdor
Just so we are clear you said “there have been these types of hat habayis terrorist incidents for years.”
However this is factually incorrect. Though as you admitted “I haven’t followed the details of the har habayis current events”
Thats ok if you dont follow current events, then dont go judging and when yiou ask “So why would they wake up now?” Dont answer your own question if you ( as you admit) dont know what you are talking about.You say “The danger of someone bringing a gun up there was well known for many years” Yes but it hasnt happened until now. THAT is why “they would wake up now”
Now if you argue that a few dead policeman are worth it once in a while to preserve calm, ok at least that doesnt argue with facts. But dont say “there have been these types of hat habayis terrorist incidents for years”
What’s the big deal here? A clueless editor or reporter for this website saw a guy in a while shirt and decided he’s a “yeshiva bochur” even though he said quite cldarly on the video that he’s a university student. This student/bochur said something the editors/promoters of the website didn’t like – even though the Israeli Shabak held the same opinion (not to place metal detectors on Har Habayis) — and proceeded to castigate this poor fellow. Some people just can’t pass up the opportunity to make someone Chareidi look or sound foolish and if he looks like a yeshiva bochur all the more so! Someone rushed to judgement on the entire story, and YWN is now eating crow.
Admit that a mistake was committed, take down the article with the video, and move on. Sheesh!! All this talk about a non-issue.Avi K,
However, Hashem gave us the use (Tehillim 115:16). That is why it is called Eretz Yisrael.
True, Hashem has given the world to mankind to use – in His service.
1. I haven’t read the article and have no interest in doing so, but it is never okay to refer to another Jew as “despicable”, particularly during The Three Weeks. THAT is appalling!
2. It is also inappropriate and halachically problematic to refer to someone as Chareidi if their views do not reflect the Chareidi position (since it implies that this is the Chareidi point of view.)
3. If the boy was interviewed “on the spot”, it is certainly inappropriate for anyone to be writing about him and attacking him.
LU: Whoever posted the interview on YouTube used the term “Chareidi Boy” when naming the video. It was not done by anyone in the CR.
Iacisrmma – The OP labeled the boy as Chareidi in his title. He did not have to do so.
LU,
2. Who is a Chareidi?
3. He posted on this thread that he stands by his views.LU: The OP posted in exactly the same way YWN posted it on the home page. Your complaint is to whoever titled the video, not the OP.
LU: Here is the link to the Video on the main YWN page. Look how it is titled:
Again, please do not blame the OP. He or she was just posting the link.
You do realize that the zionists who rule Eretz Yisrael reconsidered the matter and decided that the boy was right, and took down the metal detectors.
Do any of the in-house Zionists have a retort for akuperma?
Akuperma, actually three ministers (Bennett, Shaked and Elkin) opposed removal. The Police Commissioner also opposed it in the beginning (the Shabak supported it) and then agreed to a compromise whereby “smart detectors” will be used. A representative of the Waqf claimed that they are worse as they see through clothes so apparently the fat lady has not yet sung,
In any case, those who made the decision are those who have the requisite info. The opinion of some kid who does not even know what he wants to study in college is not an opinion.
So first it was an appalling despicable boy. And now the Zionist Prime Minister agrees with him.
Okay.
Auperma and Joseph
“and decided that the boy was right”
The main thrust of the boy’s argument was that metal detectors dont work. I did not see anywhere were the zionist prime minister agreed with him.
IT was this argument that made him clueless. (I never found his clueless ideas appaling nor despicable)
Today the Zionist government, under the direction of their Prime Minister, completely removed all the new security apparatus, including even the cameras.
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