Are you a Ka'eylah Jew?

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  • #1203257

    midwesterner
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    Well Wolf, you’ve been known to talk during laining constantly. So what else should we expect?

    #1203258

    The Frumguy
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    Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??

    #1203259

    Lefty SoferStam
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    I don’t know about a “Ka’eyle Jew” but someone in my shul does karate chops for every trope! (c:

    It’s so funny to watch. sometimes he goes along with the baal korey, the baal korey will stop and just stare. (*awkward*) q:

    #1203260

    WolfishMusings
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    Hey, WolfishMusings: I thought you yourself were the Ba’al Korei??

    I am. Hence the reason I’m guilty in the section I quoted. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #1203261

    FriendInFlatbush
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    Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.

    #1203262

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Thank you for bumping this thread, I’ve been thinking about it since the first day of Pesach and I couldn’t find it

    Yasher koach

    #1203263

    screwdriverdelight
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    It’s “Ka’eyleh,” not “Ka’eylah”.

    #1203264

    ubiquitin
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    “Looks like we have a few more days of fun now.”

    chas vesholom to call a heilige minhag “fun”

    There all helige kavanos to be had when saying “Ka’eyleh” The honigkvetcher Rebbe explains Keileh is Roshei teivos for Kivshos hayetzer, Ashiris, Limud Torah, and general heligkeit!

    Why do people love knocking minhagim?

    #1203265

    Geordie613
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    Our Baal Koreh says Ka’eyleh really loud over the sound of the tzibbur. He also stresses the ‘Oo’ in ???? ??????? ??? ??????? on 2nd day pesach and 1st two days sukkos. And probably on parshas emor, but I haven’t been there yet for that, so I’ll let you know in a few weeks.

    #1203266

    Geordie613
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    Ka’eyleh Update:

    Firstly, we had a barmitzvah in our shul this Shabbos, so the tzibur went easy on the boy and the ka’eyleh was rather tame.

    Secondly, and this will be interesting for the dikduk people out there. My previous post got the wrong Oo. The correct posuk is ????????????????? ?????????? ????? ?????????. Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?

    #1203267

    WolfishMusings
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    Apparently, ?????????? is the only instance of a dagesh alef in the Torah, and therefore it is stressed. Does anyone know anywhere else where they do that?

    I took a look at that pasuk (V 23:17) and my ArtScroll chumash does not have a dagesh in the aleph there.

    I was very surprised to see this post (I missed the original) because an aleph is one of the five letters that, to the best of my knowledge, can NEVER have a dagesh.

    Can you provide more info on where you saw that this word should have a dagesh in the aleph?

    The Wolf

    #1203268

    YesOrNo
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    The word ???? in ???? ????? is pronounced Yi-roo and not Yir-oo.

    #1203269

    iacisrmma
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    YesOrNo: The word you are quoting did not originate in ???? ????? but is a passuk in Tehillim (Kapitel Lamed Daled Passuk Yud.). While you are correct in that it is not pronounced Yir-oo, it also cannot be Yi-roo ass the nekudah under the Yud is a Sheva and not a chirik.

    #1203270

    I. M. Shluffin
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    A dagesh in an alef is a very rare occurence, but it does happen at least 4 times that I know of (jk, I googled it). One is in the word ????? in the above pasuk in parshas emor which Geordie brought down and the Wolf cited. The second is the word ?????? in mikeitz (?????? ??:??), when Yosef’s brothers came to him a second time, with Binyamin, and they brought Yosef a gift. Another time is in sefer Ezra, ?:??, also with the word ??????, and the last time is in Iyov, ??:??, with the word ???.

    “On the pasuk in Emor, Shemen Hamor comments that there is a dagesh in the aleph for the purpose of tiferes halashon, beautification of the language. Minchas Shai notes in Emor that this is one of the alfin degushin, that he speaks about it in more details in Bereishit 2:25, on vayihyu sheneihem arumim, and that he gives the masorah for this in Miketz, on Bereishit 43:26. Read what Minchas Shai has to say in each of these three locations.”

    Although I can’t cite my sources with a simple website link, copy and paste will help you find what I found. It’s called parshablog, and the blogger goes into exhaustive detail over the dikduk. It’s REALLY cool.

    #1203272

    Geordie613
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    Thank you IMS

    #1203273

    Geordie613
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    I had a thought this Shabbos. Why do we all say Ka-eyleh, but we don’t all go Ko-oh-to-ointi in parshas vayishlach? It’s also an Azla-geireish.

    #1203274

    DaasYochid ☕
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    Some Chumashim have it with a R’vi’i.

    #1203275

    Geordie613
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    Correct. Our baal koreh read it on Monday with Revi’i, and Thursday and Shabbos morning Azla-geireish. Then he spoke about it at shalosh seudos.

    The question still remain for those who do Azla-geireish.

    #1203276

    iacisrmma
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    Geordie13: The reason why Kaeyla is so popular is not the trop of Azla-geireish but that the previous passuk ends with words YAASU ES EILEH. Since the words are similar many people say the last word of the passuk and then the first word of the next passuk.

    As for the trop on KATONTI, it is a machlokes and most do not follow the GRA who says the trop is a revii and lein it with an Azla-geireish.

    #1203278

    Meno
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    “it’s like he’s holding a piece of chazer on shabbos in the rishus harabim.”

    That doesn’t sound so bad. Probably not even assur. Just annoying because you can’t move, or eat it.

    #1203279

    Geordie613
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    Artzei Peleh?? Never heard of it? Does it talk about trolls as well?

    #1203280

    Geordie613
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    iacisrmma, I like that explanation.

    #1502893

    oyyoyyoy
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    Bump.
    It’s been getting worse

    #1503014

    ubiquitin
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    “It’s been getting worse”

    Its been getting better
    B”H more an more yidden are picking up this inhag vaseiken a teyere minhag that dates back to the time f chazal (though it hasnt been written) There are deep kabalistic kavanas behind the tzibbur saying it together.
    soon Siddurim will be printed with kaeyleh in bold reminding the tzibbur of this important minhag.

    #1503408

    Geordie613
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    I miss Ka’eyleh already. How long til Parshas Pinchas?

    #1505013

    Chaver
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    What about the Katointi/קטנתי jews from Parshas Vayishlach?

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