Minhag? Why?
Can I save them for the Erevan Pesach chometz fire?
YWN Coffee Room » Yom Tov » Chanukah
Burning The Chanukah Wicks
(38 posts)-
Posted 1 year ago #
-
Erev Pesach chometz fire is our minhug.
Posted 1 year ago # -
the reason you burn it is because its not permitet to use it since it was designated for a mitzvah. However you can say before hand that you only designate the oil that will be used and not the leftover oil.
Posted 1 year ago # -
How do you safely store oily wicks for 3 (or 4) months? The Minhag I have is to use the Lulav to start the Chometz fire, The wicks I burn immediately.
Posted 1 year ago # -
We burn the Lulav too, with the chometz.
Posted 1 year ago # -
for years i poured the left over oil into a cup, with the wicks and threw it into the erev pesach fire.
this year i saw that you should burn it on the 8th day of chanuka as a shmira.
being i never pass up on a segulah, i pored the oil into a frying pan, lined all the wicks up on the side, put pan on slant, so the oil drains towards wicks, lit. to my surprise and excitement every last drop was burned, even the wicks were left to ashes.Posted 1 year ago # -
Why dont you just toss it?
Posted 1 year ago # -
Why wait, use the wicks for havdala this motzei shabbos.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Sacrilege
It's not respectful, to throw something used for a mitzvah, into the garbage.
lulav, esrog, tzizis, tallis, etc..Posted 1 year ago # -
the oil you have to burn
i was told you can throw the wicks away if you want, but you have to wrap them up first and if possible place them atop all the other "items" in the garbagePosted 1 year ago # -
Interesting. I wonder if that applies as well to the wicks from the Shabbos lights (Eeees lights with oil). Offhand, I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't (although, with my kurm hashkafos, who knows, right?)
The Wolf
Posted 1 year ago # -
" Why dont you just toss it? "
You, the massive Brisk-ette?.. I'm surprised you did'nt suggest that they need to be burnt beyond recognition.Toss them, indeed :o
Posted 1 year ago # -
BPT
You are forgetting about my obsession w cleanliness and order.Posted 1 year ago # -
"I wonder if that applies as well to the wicks from the Shabbos lights"
I think the reason people took to the menorah wicks above shabbos wicks, is that its only once a year, so they can be big about it. Ditto for the lulav.
Speaking for myself, there's also something comforting about the close of one yom tov being the precursor to the next one (like, for example, when I'm saying the last al haninsim, I'm thinking ahead to purim. It keeps me going)
Posted 1 year ago # -
maah Check with your Rav about the pan. The oil is Assur to benefit from
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Cahnuka candles
נרות שבת ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. נרות חנוכה הם אסורים להנות מבםMOD80 Interesting Psak seems like a compromise. Niether the S"A or
M"B mention wicks. The Kitzur does. The ערוך השלחן has a different approach to the whole issue.ש''ע א''ח תרע''ד ח
הנותר ביום השמיני מן השמן הצריך לשיעור הדלקה עושה לו מדורה ושורפו בפני עצמו שהרי הוקצה למצותו ואם נתערב בשמן אחר ואין ששים לבטלו יש מי שאומר שאין להוסיף עליו כדי לבטלו:קיצור ש''ע סימן קלט סעיף כ
הַשֶּמֶן שֶׁנִשְאָר בַּמְּנוֹרָה לְאַחַר חֲנֻכָּה וְכֵן הַפְּתִילוֹת, עוֹשֶׂה לָהֶן מְדוּרָה וְשׂוֹרְפָן, מִֹשּוּם דְּהֻקְצוּ לְמִצְוָתָן. וְאָסוּר לֵהָנוֹת מֵהֶן, אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הִתְנָה מִתְּחִלָה שֶׁאֵינוֹ מַקְצֶה מַה שֶּׁיִֹשָאֵרPosted 1 year ago # -
כתב הטור: הנותר מן השמן והפתילות בליל ראשון – מוסיף עליו ומדליק בליל שני. נותר בליל שני – מוסיף עליו ומדליק בשלישי, וכן בכל הלילות. נותר ממנו בליל שמיני – עושה לו מדורה בפני עצמו ושורפו, שהרי הוקצה למצותו
Seems from the טור that Halacha for the wicks after Chanuka is the same as duringערוך השולחן
סימן תרעז סוף סעיף ו ויש מי שתירץ דגם כאן אין הכוונה שאסור ליהנות מזה, אלא הכוונה שיעבירנו מן העולם. וגם לעיל הכוונה כן, שאוהורבנן כתשמיש קדושה דצריך גניזה (עיין ט"ז). כלומר: שלא יוטל בבזיון. ולא משמע כן מלשון הטור.
The above could have been the basis for MOD80's RavI could not find the ט"ז the ערוך השולחן quotes but it could be a factor for being Matir using the oil for Shabbos.
See Piskei Teshuvos "There is a Minhag to save until erev Pesach & burn with Chametz"
Posted 1 year ago # -
Wolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Cahnuka candles
נרות שבת ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. נרות חנוכה הם אסורים להנות מבםThat's absolutely true. Nonetheless, in both cases, the wicks are items that are used for mitzvos and perhaps should not be casually thrown out. I don't think it matters whether we can use the light for our benefit or not with regard to disposal of the wicks.
The Wolf
Posted 1 year ago # -
WolfishMusings
The WolfWolf there is vast diff btwn shabbos candles & Chanukah candles
נרות שבת ARE FOR OUR PLEASURE. נרות חנוכה הם אסורים להנות מבםThat's absolutely true. Nonetheless, in both cases, the wicks are items that are used for mitzvos and perhaps should not be casually thrown out. I don't think it matters whether we can use the light for our benefit or not with regard to disposal of the wicks.
The Wolf
Interesting point!!! but what does Eeees do with the bits & pieces of מאכלי שבת ? Wrap them up separately?
aren't they שיורי מצוה as well? Ask your Rav, I am curios.Posted 1 year ago # -
maah
Memberthis year i saw that you should burn it on the 8th day of chanuka as a shmira.
Very interesting. I alwas knew that keeping Mitzva left overs is a Shmira, IE Afikomen, Daled Minim Hoshanot etc but destroying? Please divulge your sourcePosted 1 year ago # -
Trying to be helpful
You did say please, so here goes. From daily halacha.Hilchos Chanukah
1640. Based upon the Gemara in Sukkah (38a) and the words of Maoz Tzur "Uminosar Kankanim Na'aseh Nes" (from the leftover oil in the jugs a miracle was done) the burning of the used wicks and leftover oil on the 8th day of Chanukah is mentioned in seforim to be a segulah that a) one should not c'v be murdered, and b) to be saved from tragedy. Sefer Halichos Yosef 677:4
1641. Some have the custom to say Lamenatzeach B'niginos Mizmor Shir (Tehillim 67) at the burning of the used wicks and leftover oil. {This perek is found in many siddurim in the form of a Menorah}. Sefer Halichos Yosef 677:4
Daily B'racha
Noodles and Cheese - Mezonos - Al Hamichyah
Pischei Halacha by R' Binyamin Forst (The Laws of B'rachos)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For a printable/downloadable checklist of 100 Daily Berachos (great for children too) please email us at Dailyhalacha@aol.com and put 100Berachos in the subject line.Posted 1 year ago # -
Wolf-
From my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are הוקצה למצותם even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive הנאה from them, and therefore in the person's mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can't use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that סברא doesn't apply, because they are made to have הנאה from, during the time of the mitzva.
Trying to be helpful-
If I'm not mistaken the Beis Yosef (I think in the end of 678) brings down someone who says to burn it right away, because by keeping it around one might come to use it.
Posted 1 year ago # -
To yitayningwut
From my understanding the .... sholuld be corrected to my memory of the בית יוסף
If I'm not mistaken the Beis Yosef .... you are mistaken it is the Tur who says ואסור ג''כ לשהותו
To Maah Thanks FYI Horav Lebowitz quotes a Sefer Halichos Yosef
I tried to track the Sefer & found a title Page of a Sefer (another likut) published תשס''ז with the author's initials onlyPosted 1 year ago # -
yitayningwut
something happened here, in any case i posted the info scroll up.Posted 1 year ago # -
נוסח תפילה לשריפת הפתילות
לאחר החנוכה
[ממנהגי יהדות מרוקו עפ"י הגר"י
משאש זצ"ל]
"כך מנהגינו נשרוף פתילותינו.
ונבקש מאלוקינו לשנה הבאה
ירחמנו. ונחזור לארצנו וארץ
אבותינו- ירושלים החביבה עלינו.
ולתורה ולמצוות יזכנו. וזכות אור
הנרות אשר הדלקנו יאיר עינינו
ועיני בנינו באור התורה שהיא חיינו
ואורך ימינו ובה נאבד שונאינו".
http://maor.mykehila.com/ims/fileServlet?fileid=17995אין לשמור את השמן הנותר לביעור חמץ
עניין מותר השמן של נרות חנוכה מצוי בעיקר אחרי הדלקת נר אחרון של חנוכה, ובמדה שלא היה בבית, ונכבה הנר כאשר היה בתוך חצי שעה להדלקתם שהוא השיעור מצוה של הדלקת הנר.
מרן כתב בזה שאסור בהנאה וצריך שריפה, ולא ישמור אותו עד ביעור חמץ של ערב פסח, וכמו שנוהגים לעשות עם הלולב, אלא ישרוף אותו מייד, לפי שיש חשש שאם ימתין אצלו כל כך הרבה זמן, יש חשש שמא ישתמש בו; ומוסיפים הפוסקים, שאפילו אם ישמור אותו בכלי מאוס, שלא יבוא להשתמש בו, גם כן אסור (עיין לכה"ח סי' תרע"ז ס"ק כ"ט, ולמש"ב שם ס"ק י"ט).כיום כל מה שנשאר בנר אסור (גם מה שמעבר לחצי שעה)
שמא תאמר, שמותר השמן שבנר חנוכה שהוא מעבר לזמן חיוב ההדלקה הוא מותר לגמרי בימינו, שכן מרן לא אסר אלא את השמן של השיעור, להוי ידוע שהיום כל מה שנשאר בנר אסור בהנאה וחייב שריפה. הנוהג שבעולם הוא שלא עושים חשבון עם השמן לומר שאין כוונתו אלא להדלקה של חצי שעה ולא יותר, אלא כוונתו של כל אדם היא שכששופך שמן בכוסית, רצונו שידלק עד הסוף וזהו כבודו, ורצונו שכל השמן יהיה לצרוך מצוה. לפי זה, הרי הקצה לצורך מצוה בדעתו את כל השמן, ועל כן גם מה שמעבר לחצי שעה יהיה אסור (עיין מש"ב שם ס"ק י"ח, ולכה"ח שם ס"ק כ"ו). ושמא תשאל הרי מרן הגביל את איסור ההנאה לחצי שעה, דע שאין כוונת מרן אלא למי שמקפיד מאוד ואומר שאין רצונו אלא שידלק שיעור מדוייק של המצוה ולא יותר, ואם יימצא כזה אדם שהוא קמצן בדבר זה, אז אין הכי נמי מה שנשאר מעבר לחצי שעה, יהיה מותר (ועיין לב"י מה שכתב בזה).
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/alonim/content_alon.asp?id=26 Be careful with this link it comes with an undesirable popupPosted 1 year ago # -
Very interesting. I alwas knew that keeping Mitzva left overs is a Shmira, IE Afikomen, Daled Minim Hoshanot etc but destroying? Please divulge your source
Oily wicks pose a danger of spontaneous combustion.
Posted 1 year ago # -
From my understanding the reason why there are those who say the Chanuka lights are הוקצה למצותם even after the mitzva is over is specifically because during the mitzva one may not derive הנאה from them, and therefore in the person's mind he put that oil away for a mitzva so now he can't use it for something else. However with Shabbos candles that סברא doesn't apply, because they are made to have הנאה from, during the time of the mitzva.
Unless I'm mistaken, we're not discussing having further benefit from the wicks... we're discussing the proper way to dispose of them once they've served their purpose for the mitzvah. In that, I'm not certain that there is a difference between whether they are "huksha l'mitzvosom" or not or whether the wicks are "assur b'hana'ah" or not.
There's no hana'ah in disposing of wicks from Channukah or Shabbos lights. The only question (as I understand it) is regarding the proper way to dispose of something that was used for a mitzvah.
Or am I entirely misreading this conversation?
The Wolf
Posted 1 year ago # -
Wolf There was no conversation re "proper disposal" you asked & I acknowledged your good question.
To rephrase your question Why are the leftover Shabbos wicks and drippings (Shabbos food for that matter) different than worn tzitzis which should not be disposed off בדרך בזיון
Posted 1 year ago # -
Trying to be helpful-
Chill. I learned my lesson last time and therefore specifically wrote if I'm not mistaken when I was quoting from memory. As for the B"Y, ain hochi nami, but when I have a pshat that I come up with myself with my chavrusa, in this kind of context, unless someone needs a makor, I'll just say something like from my understanding, gufa because I don't have a Tur offhand and can't vouch that it's brought down inside. The thing about burning right away I was sure about, though apparently I forgot that it was mefurash in the Tur. BTW I rarely give a response to a halacha sheila here without saying ask your rav, because I am fully aware that while I am at my computer I am way too lazy and incapable to check everything I say so that it be perfect enough to be relied upon, and everything I say is in a much lighter context. Not that I make anything up, chas veshalom; my point is that I don't expect, nor should I, in my opinion, that people are going and paskening based on what yitayningwut quoted. I intend that my svaros should be food for thought and my references checked up before relying upon them.
Posted 1 year ago # -
yitayningwut wrote Trying to be helpful- Chill
No need to chill. I was not criticising or finding fault. דער זכרון איז א גנב is a common phenomonon . I hope your Yiddish is good enough to get the gist of that saying, I just cannot figure out how translate it.
What do you say to Wolf's Q about דרך בזיון ?
Posted 1 year ago # -
Wolf, the idea is that something that is Huktza Lemitzvassa belongs entirely to the Mitzva, it is more a Chefetz Shel Mitzva than something that is used for a Mitzva but remains yours for the usage all along.
deiyazooger, Where did you see/hear that a T'nai would help? It seems from the Beis Yosef and the Bach that the problem is even if it burned more than a half hour every night, because the rest is mixed in with it.
Posted 1 year ago # -
From a shiur by Horav Eli Mansour http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?PageIndex=1&ClipID=1559As for the final Halacha, Hacham David Yosef rules in his Torat Ha'mo'adim (Hanukah, p. 126) that one should preferably stipulate before lighting candles on eighth and final night of Hanukah that the status of Kedusha applies only to the oil that burns during the first half-hour. Then, if the candles burn for a half-hour or longer, he may use the leftover oil as he pleases. If he did not make such a stipulation, or if he did but the candles were extinguished within a half-hour, then he should collect the leftover oil after Hanukah and burn it separately. Leftover oil from the candles lit on the first seven nights should simply be used for lighting the subsequent night, which is permissible according to all authorities
Technically this should only apply to the amount of oil needed to light for the first half hour since beyond that is not a mitzva. However since a person does not specifically say this, we are machmir and do not use any of the oil. What about leftover oil from the bottle that was never used? The Biur Halacha says that this oil is not assur in any manner since it wasn't in a lit glass
from http://www.revach.net/halacha/tshuvos/Leftover-Oil-Halacha-and-Minhagim/1503
Posted 1 year ago # -
Trying to be helpful-
Gotcha.
Regarding the question, I need to look up a few things, but the truth is I had shver the whole idea that tzitzis may not be thrown out derech bizayon, when the gemara in Shabbos 22a and the rishonim there seem to indicate that derech bizayon is only a problem while the mitzva is 'active' (not sure if that's a good translation of בעידנא). Perhaps the pshat is that since it's הוקצה למצותה it still has somewhat of a din of בעידנא, in which case wouldn't apply to Shabbos candles and the like. But iy"h I'll be me'ayen. (I also think my rav has a teshuva on this, I'll check and try to post what he says)
Posted 1 year ago # -
My rav (Rav Yitzchak Abadi, in שו"ת אור יצחק ח"ב או"ח סי' טז-יז) brings a shtickel from a talmid that with regard to ציצית one is allowed to throw them out, even according to the Rema who brings a Kol Bo and says אין לנהוג בהם מנהג בזיון לזורקן במקום מגונה. His basis for this is a קשיא that the Gra asks, and the words of the Kol Bo himself who writes נפסקו חוטי ציצית זורקן באשפה. He therefore explains that אשפה, throwing it in the garbage, is not the בזיון the Rema refers to. In the second teshuva he has an arichus about problems with the מקור of the mechaber and the Rema and what exactly their shitos are, but למעשה he comes out that the only problem of דרך בזיון is for something like קינוח, but not throwing in the garbage.
Posted 1 year ago # -
DTV דו טענה'ט וואס
You are in E"Y?
In 1993, Rabbi Abadi moved to Jerusalem, Israel, where he opened a Kollel to continue his teachings abroad.Posted 1 year ago # -
Lol, so someone finally gets my name. No, I'm in Lakewood. He moved back a couple of years ago and has a small shul in Lakewood.
Posted 1 year ago # -
כ''א א' חוטי ציצית שנפסקו יכול לזרקן לאשפה מפני שהיא מצוה שאין בגופה קדושה אבל כל זמן שהם קבועים בטלית אסור להשתמש בהם כגון לקשור בהם שום דבר וכיוצא בזה משום בזוי מצוה. (ויש אומרים דאף לאחר שנפסקו אין לנהוג בהן מנהג בזיון לזורקן במקום מגונה אלא שאינן צריכין גניזה (כל בו הלכות שבת). ויש מדקדקין לגונזן והמחמיר ומדקדק במצות תבוא עליו ברכה) (מהרי"ל הלכות ציצית) (ועיין לקמן סימן תרס"ד סעיף ח' ט'):
כ''א ב' טליתות של מצוה שבלו אדם בודל עצמו מהם ואינו מותר לקנח עצמו בהם ולא לייחד אותם לתשמיש המגונה אלא זורקן והם כלים: ראה מ''ב ס''ק י''ג אפילו לאשפה
אלא שצריך להבין את הגדריםPosted 1 year ago # -
I am aware. If I had time I would cite the entire teshuva where he discusses this at length, but I just don't have the time right now.
Posted 1 year ago # -
"Interesting point!!! but what does Eeees do with the bits & pieces of מאכלי שבת ? Wrap them up separately?
aren't they שיורי מצוה as well? Ask your Rav, I am curios."
Actually any food bigger then a k'zeiyis thrown out should be wrapped so it does not get dirty because of ביזו אוכליםPosted 1 year ago #
Reply
You must log in to post.
RSS