I'm thinking about sending my son to Camp Rayim this year. Does anyone have any information about this camp regarding quality of counselors,trips,activities,etc ? Anything would be greatly appreciated.
Camp Rayim 2010(30 posts)
never heard of it :(
rayim is packed it's too late to get in
but i heard it's a great camp
It's probably too late to get into most camps.
mischiefmaker, besides agudah, which NEEDS campers
For real? I heard that agudah is packed and practically impossible to get into. I guess I heard wrong.
but does anyone have any info about the camp?
my brother goes there,
they have a very good head staff, with a group of unbelievable counselors. overall its a very good camp.
Very yeshivish, white shirt crowd. Not even sure if they dress down for ball playing. And leave the abercrombie / roots clothing at home. Ditto the backwards baseball cap.
Learning is top rate, if thats what you're after. Also consider Camp Morris, Toras Chesed, Toras Chaim, Silverlake, Ohr Shraga (not sure what age you need a slot for)
Since Augdah was mentioned, they alse have a learning division called "machneh efrayim" plus I beleive there are NY yeshivos that are subletting space in the camp, so you can be in Augdah but "not" be in Agudah. No color war, no trips, but the $ is a fraction of what Agudah proper is. PLus there is no way Agudah proper will talk to you (or anyone) at this point of the year. They simply can't do last minute things, whereas the other camps listed (and the sublets of Agudah) are somewhat more flexible.
(As you might imagine, camps are a big topic in my circle, for what its worth)
"Very yeshivish, white shirt crowd. Not even sure if they dress down for ball playing"
are saying that you know or that you think???
they do "dress down for ball playing", and there are some kids who do wear abercrombie.
their not bummy but no overly yeshivish either.
ditto to shteiging
it is among the better camps out there regarding ruchniyus.
However, still very with it. The staff, activities, and trips are great. They do put a little more emphasis on learning than other camps.
Was never there as a camper / staff member (not even sure if its been around that long), but that's the feel I got every time I visited. And I've been there plenty of times.
I'm not saying this in a bad way. But if you are planning to attend, expect to be very yeshivish. I'm not going to name names, but what flies in other camps as far as dress code, will NOT cut it at Rayim. Its not who they are.
Oh and one more note. I was refering to the 7/8 grade and HS level only. I have no idea what goes on in the kid division.
But why take my word for it? Google "camp rayim" and watch the videos, check the photos for yourself. Yes, Lipa was there and so was Shloimi Gertner. But see how the (older)kids dress and their haircuts. No caps, no hooded sweats. Compare that with the video clip of <not going to mention the name> and see for yourself if I'm off base.
are we talking about the same Rayim?
maybe your talking about the rayim mesivta division, which wears white shirts and stuff. However, the regular camp isnt the "most" yeshivish people out there.
besides camp rayim has been around longer than 20 years.
and don't judge a camp from a video clip you found on the internet.
TO: BP Totty:
I work in Rayim and went as a camper.
For high school boys you can work in regular Rayim or you can go as a camper to Rayim Mesivta.
Rayim Mesivta has almost nothing to do with regular Rayim.
Besides the staff most kids where polo shirt, t-shirts etc... the whole day even to davening.
Staff have to where button down collared shirts to davening & campers can't wear crocs or caps to davening or learning groups.
If you think regular Rayim is yeshivish white shirters you don't know anything about Rayim.
To all those who don't know Rayim is going into either there 21st or 22nd year in camping.
It used to be Camp Olympus in the 80's.
For more info about the camp go to Camprayim.us
It is an unofficial site ran by a rayim staff member and has nothing to do with the administration but it has alot of things about camp there.
Just out of curiosity, how does Camp Bonim compare with Camp Rayim?
Camp Rayim has been around for 22 years. Bonim is still only a few years old.
Rayim is from the most popular camps in the mountains and has excellent headstaff and has a Torahdik atmoshphere. The counselors are Bnei Torah and the camp makes sure the boys have a great time as well as not loose what they learned all year in Yeshivah.
Good luck getting your kid in now but your best bet is calling the head counselor of both camps you will get a better idea what each camp is about.
This thread was started someone saying that he is thinking about sending his son and wants more info about the camp. Two weeks ago, THE VERY SAME INDIVIDUAL started another topic in the coffee room by asking about Rayim because HE wants to WORK there and wants to know if it's a good camp.
My son went there, and they are very strict at night- when lights are out, you have to be in your bed or else you get in trouble.
I've been a staff member in rayim for 5 years and a camper for 6 years before that. I'm i'yh gonna be there this coming summer for my 12th summer.
The camp cannot be described in a short article but if you want to know if your son will enjoy it here's the one small piece of wisdom i can give after 11 years there: If he's willing to work with the camp, follow the rules, and get involved, then guaranteed you'll love it. After 11 years there this is the best advice i can give anybody planning on coming.
And just btw, its not as "yeshivish" as everyone is making it sound. There's PLENTY of abercrombie and roots and backwards caps bla bla bla all that stuff. We have alot of VERY "Cool" kids and staff that can act just as cool and have just as great of a time as any other camp without the smoking, drinking, or anything in that area. Its just purely run as a very hashkafa based organization. There's just a tremendous amount of knowledge in the head staff regarding chinuch and understanding of kids which TRANSLATES itself into the most kosher environment possible (but not what one would call a "yeshivish" environment.)
Again, if your willing to comply with what the camp wants and follow their incredible guidance and be mevatel your da'as to their WELL THOUGHT OUT DA'AS TORAH and support, then its definitely a place for you.
(the head counselor nowadays is the undisputible most amazingly talented and brilliant head counselor in the mountains, Rabbi Binyomin Basch, master Rebbi, mechanech and source of guidance for any kid bochur or adult.)
Looking forward to seeing you there!
Before getting down to the business at hand, I want to thank Flatbush Guy for spotting the “I’m considering a job” vs “I’m sending my son” conflict that Reenmasheen’s two posts presented the CR. I did not think to check the post from last week, but got so caught up in the camp discussion, I missed that.
Now, back to the subject at hand:
I think the problem is, we are seeing the definition of “yeshivish” from two different angles. In my world, yeshivish means what you do and say and can be determined by your actions is consistent with what a yeshiva represents. That means you walk the walk and talk the talk. And when you bring that manner of behavior into you daily routine, walla! You are yeshivish.
Now, were you to see me, dressed the way I am, with the haircut I have, you could come to a number of conclusions:
He is yeshivish
He is a modern person
How can that be, if I’m wearing but one set of clothing, and only have one head and face? The answer is, to the Upper West Sider, I’m super-yeshivish, but to the true-blue Lakewooder, I’m a modern Flatbush Baal Habayis (They think only Chassidim live in BP).
Now, those may be two very extreme viewpoints, but you can see how my definition of Yeshivish, may be somewhat different than yours.
So lets get back to Camp Rayim. And again, I want to stress, I was only talking about HS age and up (and perhaps should have clarified that). But in all the times I’ve visited (and its been numerous) and the 5 bochurim I know that go there, plus the one staff member (a Rebbie, as it happens) I can say without a doubt, this is a yehsivish place. Not in a bad way, but if you are looking for the more modern element (and again, not meant in a bad way) Rayim is not the best fit.
So to Nisht Ahe, Shtieging and Yeshivabocher, let me ask you this: Look yourself in the mirror (the shirt, the haircut, ect) and measure that against what you see in the Walmart parking lot. Are you telling me there is little difference? Do you and your bunkmates / counselors flash “gang signs” when posing for a camp photo? If so, I am truly mistaken and retract everything I said about Rayim. But I doubt that’s the case. Not from what I’ve seen when I’ve been there (and its not only on visiting day, by the way)
Lastly, Rayimrox (great name, by the way!) – your reply seems the most reasoned, so you get a paragraph all your own. My guess is, you are what people would call a Ben Torah. It doesn’t matter what color your shirt is, nor does it matter what logo is on your baseball cap (or Hawaiian straw hat, if that’s the age bunk you have). What matters is, what kind of example you set for the kids. From what I see when I visit, the camp’s ruach is a good, wholesome one. Perhaps not a carbon copy of the place I send my kids, but definitely a very yeshiva-oriented place. As well it should be, given the staff they attract. While I may see you in Walmart, its doubtful I’ll see you there on Motzoi Shabbos at 2:00am
In closing, Subjective opinions are just that. They are not fact, but who does the saying, coupled with what that person has shown his or her hashkofoh to be on prior topics, should give you an idea of what yardstick was used to make the statement that was made.
One last point: The best indicator is visiting day. And I don’t mean on camp grounds. I mean when the boys from various camps come back to our colony for the day, you get to see who they represent, and who they aspire to be. Its in the way they talk, in the clothes they chose to leave grounds in, in the way they want the world to see them.
And for the record, I WORE A BASEBALL CAP AND 3 BUTTON POLO yesterday, but changed from head to before going to maariv (so there!)
"Al tistakel b'kankan, eleh b'ma shyesh bo"
BP TOTTY, thanks alot. Appreciated your response greatly. :-) Be well! and yes...RayimROX!!!!
My pleasure. Just be sure you live up to standards that will make kids have a fun summer, b'ruchnius and b'gashmius :)
anyone know how to get in touch and with who in camp rayim about coming as married staff?
I think the Camp Director is the one to consult about coming as married staff.Posted 1 year ago #
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