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  • #1505997

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Obviously we cite poskim from the other mesora. I don’t really see what that proves. That’s a far cry from saying a person can just chose whatever minhag he wants in any given circumstance. Also, I have no doubt that rabbonim told you something that you interpreted as a heter to shift mesora at your whimsy, but I’m confident it was misinterpreted.

    #1505998

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Gadol, I agree; it’s about time we get to that permutation. Wasn’t there a black guy a few years back who converted and started like the “Chabad-Karlin-Satmar-Ger” Chassidus or something like that?

    I can’t remember exactly what it was. If anyone remembers his name, let me know.

    #1506015

    Avi K
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    Neville, so what is an Ashkenazi BT (or even more so, ger) supposed to do? Rema, Gra some chassidut (nafka mina, for example, regarding putting on tefillin during Chol ha Moed in Chul)? However, not everything is a machloket between mesorot (and sometimes it is reversed – for example, Ashkenazim light Chanukah candles according to Rambam and Sephardim like Tosofot).

    #1506170

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    I don’t understand your kasheh at all now. What’s any different about an Ashkenazi BT vs. a Sphardi one? Your initial assertion is that you can follow whatever modern day posek you want on a modern (post Machaber/Rema issue). This simply isn’t true. If Reb Moshe says one thing, and HaRav Ovadia says another, whether you’re Ashkenaz or Sphard will play into who you follow. I’m not going to sit here rehashing this basic Judaism 101 concept to you over and over when you know it’s true; it’s not worth either of our time. Besides, this thread is about Shria, not Halachah. None of this belongs here.

    #1506232

    Avi K
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    Neville,
    1. I was bringing this as an example. Unlike with Sephardim there is no clear-cut differentiation on the basis of galut of origin.
    2. I totally disagree with you. In fact, poskim who teshuvot I have seen cite both (and Rav Ovadia cited RM as well as the Tzitz Eliezer and other Ashkenazim). Apparently your brand of Judaism is different than mine. I will say though that where someone currently lives affects whom he stresses. An Israeli (of whatever background) will usually stress Israeli poskim and an a American American poskim.
    3. Haven’t you ever heard of a thread being hijacked? This also happens in the Gemara. Someone cites a certain Tanna and the Gemara then discusses his opinions on totally unrelated matters.

    #1506320

    yehudayona
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    I thought that the animal had to face Mecca in Halal slaughter.

    #1506323

    Milhouse
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    Yehudayona, which way the animal faces is not me’akev.

    Avi K, you just admitted that on Chanukah Sefardim pasken one way and Ashkenazim the other. That undermines your entire position and demonstrates mine. If a Sefardi has a shayla of some sort about how to light on Chanukah, he can’t ask a rov who only knows the Ashkenazi psak on the matter, and vice versa. He must either ask a rov whose learning and semicha is from those who follow the same derech as him, or else from someone who knows both drochim, and is informed which one he’s from.

    #1506327

    ready now
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    Kosher is completely different from hallal.
    It is a hillul Hashem to draw any equivalence between them.
    Let their leaders thell them that Kosher is okay for them, let us not tell them that they are the same, they are not.
    It is geneva daas of theTorah to label Kosher as hallal.
    Let the muslims see the Kosher directories online, they can read.

    #1506352

    Avi K
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    Milhouse,
    1.I wrote that I was discussing an instance where there is no machloket between the Mechaber and the Rema.
    2. I find it very hard to believe that some can get semicha without knowing this.

    Ready, that is very funny. However, I do not suggest that you give up your day job.

    #1506354

    ready now
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    Avi K, thank you, funny and so true. A Jew works at the job and delight of being a Jew all times.

    #1506358

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Milhouse: He did mention the Rema/Machaber earlier. His assertion is that anything that happened after the times of the Rema is fair game to do whatever you want (eg. any shailah resulting from technology that didn’t exist then). He’s then going to pretend to be surprised that there are people on YESHIVA World News who don’t support shittah window shopping because “every rabbi he’s ever hear of” says it’s OK to chose whatever shittah makes you feel good. It’s really not worth going into. It’s derailing the thread, which he’s now trying to slyly accuse US of being responsible for.

    #1506698

    Avi K
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    Neville,
    1. I wrote anything that is not dependent on a machloket between the Mechaber and the Rema.
    2. “Every rabbi he’s ever HEARD of”.
    3. Obviously there are rules. Safek d’Oraita l’chumra, safek d’rabbanna l’kula. Minhag haolam. What one’s personal rav or the rav of one’s community says.
    4. I am not surprised at all. I simply disagree.
    5. I did not accuse anyone in particular. I simply wrote that it is common and also happens in the Gemara.

    #1507409

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Anyway, this got really derailed…

    Happy Holidays, everyone. I hope you all had a very Halal Pesach.

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