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  • #618245
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Barry, I was originally going to respond to you in the same thread, but I decided to respond on a new thread for a reason that I will make clear shortly.

    The issue is that it is the Gedolei Yisrael who are speaking out against Internet and Smartphones, so it is the Gedolim who you are criticizing, whether or not that was your intention. Being “mevazeh Talmidei Chachamim” is a very serious issue. If you have views that are different than the Gedolim, they should not be publicized in a public forum that goes by the name YeshivaWorld.

    Additionally, when you say the things that you have said about the Rabbanim, you are publicly spreading motzi shem ra about the Rabbanim, which is also a very serious issur.

    When someone writes or reads something online that is either Loshon Hara or Motzi shem ra or being mevazeh the Gedolim, they are in danger of losing their cheilik in Olam Haba, since they are in the category of a baal Loshon Hara and/or someone who is mevazeh the Gedolim. Therefore, I did not want to post my response on the same thread, since that would cause more and more people to read the same words, and I would rather not lose my cheilik in Olam Haba or be the cause of others losing theirs.

    I was hesitant to respond at all, since I see that each response from me seems to lead to more Motzi Shem Rav, but I did feel that it was important to respond. However, if anyone responds to this post with more Motzi Shem Ra, I will have to cease responding.

    It is wonderful that you want to solve Am Yisrael’s problems, but Motzi Shem Ra does not help and in fact, makes things worse.

    Everyone, let’s please remember that Elul is coming up. Unfortunately, we had to fast on Tisha B’Av this year as the Beis HaMikdash was not rebuilt in time for Tisha B’Av. Unfortunately, last year, we were not zoche to be oleh l’regel for Sukkos. Let’s try to make ourselves worthy of being oleh l’regel this year, B’ezras Hashem!

    #1171247
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Wow! Even I didn’t get such a rough tochachah

    Where was this thread? 😉

    #1171248
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    lilmod. Kudos on a wonderful post. I hope bezrat hashem I can help klal yisroel be zoche with what I can do. Unfortunately it’s almost impossible for a writer to live without internet. Especially in a foreign country where there is little books to research on topics in your native language.

    Besides for that the only other problem I have with your post/opinion is that although this place is the Yeshiva World forum, doesn’t mean that what’s posted on here reflects the views of YWN. It’s a known thing at this point that forums are open places. I agree with your thinking about the fact that even if we don’t live up to the gedolei hador’s expectations that we shouldn’t be against them nor come out against them.

    But unfortunately neither you or I can control anyone else, there are people with differing views and rabanim. Let us not attack them but hug them and say “We don’t agree with you, this is not YWN, but we still welcome you, as does Hashem.”

    I’m not sure exactly who/what this was a response for but that’s life.

    I believe YWN writes somewhere that the opnions and veiws voiced here are not theirs.

    #1171249
    BarryLS1
    Participant

    lilmod ulelamaid: I answered you on the other thread before I saw this. You missed the point. Instead you are diverting the issue.

    #1171250
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Barry, I’m sorry but you are the one diverting the issue. The thread was about people trying to find ways to lessen their Internet usage. You attacked the Gedolim for coming out against Internet and the people in the CR for trying to follow the words of the Gedolim. You diverted the issue to make it sound like it was about molestation.

    If you want to try to find a way to prevent child molestation, that is abeautiful thing, but don’t connect it to the fact that the Gedolim have come out against Internet. It is a very important issue and if you have something constructive to say on the topic that does not involve being Mevazeh the Gedolim or Motzi Shem Ra on Am Yisrael, please feel free to share it on a separate thread.

    #1171251
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Shopping, since you didn’t read the original thread, your post is not relevant. I know – I’ve done the same thing – responded to a recent post without getting the context.

    #1171252
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Coffee Addict – why, what did I say to you? (sorry, it’s hard to keep track of who’s who especially when people have such interesting names. All I remember is that you chose “coffee” for 20 questions -that was easy to remember!).

    #1171253
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The problem is it was the internet bloggers who exposed the abuse scandal, while they might have alterior motives, it doesnt mean they were wrong

    #1171254
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Lilmod,

    Tisha bav video

    Btw I thought it over and you’re right

    #1171255
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Coffee Addict – wow! Thank you! btw, you didn’t get such strong tochacha because you weren’t attacking the Gedolim and trying to get others not to listen to them. You also didn’t persist in increasing the original motzi shem ra – you simply sidetracked into a discussion about when it’s muttar to lie.

    #1171256
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Zahavasdad – please read my above posts.

    #1171257
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Lilmod,

    Some people might say a rav has the status of a gadol (talmid chacham) and I was saying he knowingly lied (or misled

    To which you answered bc of Shalom

    #1171258
    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    Well lilmod, if you start a new thread and not refer the context…most people would be thinking what I was.

    #1171259
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I think you misunderstood me – I wasn’t saying that he lied because of shalom. I thought you were saying that you thought that what YOU said was okay because you were trying to be truthful, and I was simply pointing out that there are things that are more important than truth. I could have said it in a simpler way by pointing out that Loshon Hara is assur even if it’s the truth.

    There was a reason why I phrased it the way I did, but it’s too complicated to bother explaining at this point.

    #1171260
    gofish
    Member

    Lilmod, do you believe that rabbanim are infallible?

    #1171261
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Shopping, I understand – I wasn’t criticizing you. As for me, I tried to explain in my post why I was starting a new thread.

    #1171262
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Shopping – basically, someone had criticized Gedolei Yisrael on another thread so it was necessary to speak out, but I was concerned that by doing so on the same thread, I was causing people to keep rereading the same words and t/f in danger of losing my cheilik in Olam Haba.

    #1171263
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    And meanwhile, this past Friday night, I was sitting minding my own business at 2:00 am, getting ready to say Krias Shema and go to sleep, when suddenly I felt something in my ear and next thing I knew, I heard a fly buzzing INSIDE my ear. It then starting flying into my eardrum and POUNDING on it, and it REALLY HURT and it was REALLY SCARY, especially since the only person I ever heard of that happening to was Titus, yemach shemo, and he died from it. It kept buzzing and pounding during the entire walk to the Kupat Cholim. Boruch Hashem, the doctors in the Kupat Cholim were able to get it out. And apparently, it was major hashgacha that the Arab doctor on Shabbos duty “happened” to be an ENT who had the right equipment to get it out. He told me that I was really lucky because if he hadn’t been there, I would have had to wait another THREE HOURS with the fly buzzing and pounding INSIDE my ear!

    But it was a really crazy thing to happen, and I think it must be a sign that I had been listening to LH and that I have to be more careful.

    #1171264
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “I think it must be a sign that I had been listening to LH “

    obviously everyone is entitled to their own cheshbonos but instead of thinking I was subject to someone elses wrong, I have thought of ear ailments to be a sign that I may not have listened appropriately to the words/cries/heart of others. But that’s just my personal thought, we obviously have no idea what Hashem is doing and can only use it as a sign that we have to work on ourselves. That is just an additional message that a person looking to grow can consider.

    #1171265
    Joseph
    Participant

    gofish: Strawman. The gedolim are more likely to be right than you and your friends. And if you think you’re right, it is still more likely they’re right. And if it is a halachic issue, than you versus them isn’t even a contest.

    #1171266
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    joseph, you are 100 percent correct. 100%

    the only problem is that that was not her question. I wish you would have answered her question.

    #1171267
    Joseph
    Participant

    “instead of thinking I was subject to someone elses wrong”

    Listening/reading loshon hora isn’t merely “someone else’s wrong”; it is one’s own wrong.

    #1171268
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Thanks Joseph! You did a better job of answering the question than I could have. And it answered the question 100% to anyone who understood the question and the context it was asked in.

    #1171269
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    thank you for missing the point. i would have expected nothing supportive in return. But don’t worry, I start work tomorrow…

    #1171270
    Joseph
    Participant

    Syag, no one, absolutely no one, thinks rabbonim are “infallible”. So gofish’s implication in her question is a strawman.

    #1171271
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Lilmod,

    So? There are things that override lashon hara too like if it’s l’toeles

    Therefore what?

    I’m not understanding now, what I understood was “so what, it was sheker, if it brings Shalom to the world them it’s muttar”

    #1171272
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Syag – I have decided that from now on, I am bli neder not responding to any of your attacks against me personally. I don’t know why you persist in attacking me. I have tried discussing your criticisms against me politely, but you insist on ignoring me, so I am ignoring your criticisms that are against ME from now on. I really do not like arguing with people. I would have been happy to have a polite discussion with you, but you have continually refused to do so.

    I will, bli neder, continue to defend the Gedolim against the continuous attacks them because that is WAY more important, and for that, I will go against my nature and speak up. I will also bli neder continue to speak up against attacks against Am Yisrael.

    #1171274
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Joseph – you are capable of bringing understanding to difficult questions when you give answers. I was hoping you would give an answer. that’s all.

    LU- I see you responded to something but I want to give you the courtesy of knowing I will not be reading your posts so that I no longer have to be hurt by them.

    #1171275
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Syag – if you are hurt by something I wrote, I would definitely like to hear about it, and I would be happy to have a polite discussion about it. I attempted to do so in the previous thread, but you ignored me.

    If you are hurt by something I write, I would like to hear about it. I would just like to request the following:

    1. I messages are always better than you messages.

    2. Please tell me CLEARLY what it is that you are upset about. I am not a mind reader. If I wrote something that hurt you, it was inadvertent, so I have no way of knowing what it was, if you don’t tell me politely.

    3. If you are going to attack me, then when I try to respond politely and have a discussion about it, please don’t just ignore me.

    4. IF you do persist in ignoring my responses, then I will have to ignore your attacks on me.

    #1171276
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Moderators please close this thread, it’s bringing out a lot of machlokes and lashon hara on syag saying “syag is being impolite”

    Thank you for caring

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