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Chassidic Rebbes - how many are there?

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  • Started 3 months ago by mamashtakah
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  1. mamashtakah
    Member

    I am genuinely curious - how many Chassidic Rebbes are there? The reason I ask is because I know some of the large Chasidic groups - Satmar, Belz, Bobobv, Nikolsburg, Vishnitz, etc. Yet I read notices sometimes here on YWN about "the XYZ Rebbe" is ill and people should daven for him, when I've never heard of the group. Are there really that many small Chasidic groups? Are they all inter-related?

    And,a related question - are the Yerushalimi groups like Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avraham Yitzchak considered Chasidic?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. kingdavid
    Member

    Here you go...

    A
    Alesk (from Olesko, Ukraine)
    Anipoli (from Annopol, Ukraine)
    Apt/Zinkov/Mezhbizh (from Opatów, Poland)
    Avritch (from Ovruch, Ukraine)
    B
    Baitch (from Biecz, Poland)
    Besermin (from Hajdúböszörmény, Hungary)
    Bender (from Bender, Moldova)
    Bertch (from Bircza, Poland)
    Białystok (from Białystok)
    Bialobrzeg (from Białobrzegi, Poland)
    Bilgoray (from Biłgoraj, Poland)
    Binding (From Elbing/Elbląg, Poland)
    Bluzhev (from Błażowa, Poland)
    Bikovsk (from Bikofsk)
    Bohush (from Bohushi, Romania)
    Bonia
    Boslover
    Botoshan (from Botoşani, Romania)
    Breslev from Uman
    Brod (from Brody, Ukraine)
    Brisdovitz (from Berezdivtsi, Ukraine)
    Bucharest (from Bucureşti, Romania)
    Burshtin (from Burshtyn, Ukraine)
    C
    Chabad-Bobroisk (from Bobrujsk, Belarus)
    Chabad-Kapust
    Chabad-Liadi
    Chabad-Nezhin
    Chabad-Strashelye
    Chadusha
    Chernovitz (from Chernivtsi)
    Cieszanow
    Czortkow (from Chortkiv)
    Chust (from Khust)
    Cleveland
    Cracow (from Kraków)
    D
    Deyzh (from Dej, Romania)
    Debrecen (from Debrecen)
    Dinev (from Dynów, Poland)
    Dobromil (from Dobromyl, Ukraine)
    Dombrova (from Dąbrowa Tarnowska, Poland)
    Drubitsh (from Drohobych, Poland)
    Dzirka (from Györke/Ďurkov, Slovakia?)
    Dzikov (from Tarnobrzeg, Poland)
    E
    Eisysky (from Eišiškės, Lithuania)
    Erlau (from Eger/Erlau, Hungary)
    Etched (from Nagyecsed, Hungary)
    F
    Faltichan (from Fălticeni, Romania)
    Frankfurt
    G
    Gorlitz (from Gorlice, Poland)
    Gostynin (from Gostynin, Poland)
    Gvodzitz (from Hvizdets)
    Gribov (from Grybów, Poland)
    H
    Hornsteipel (from Hornostaypil', near Chernobyl)
    Huvniv (from Hivniv, Ukraine)
    Husiatyn
    K
    Kaliv (from Nagykálló, Hungary)
    Kaminka (from Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)
    Kaminetz
    Kunskvola (from Końskowola, Poland)
    Karlihaz
    Kashou
    Kerestir (from Bodrogkeresztur, Hungary)
    Khentshin (from Chęciny, Poland)
    Kielce (from Kielce, Poland)
    Kojdanov (from Koidanova, Belarus)
    Komarno (from Komarno, Ukraine)
    Kopyczynitz (from Kopychyntsi, Ukraine)
    Korets (from Korets, Ukraine)
    Koson (from Koson, Ukraine)
    Kosov (from Kosiv, Ukraine)
    Kotsk (from Kock, Poland)
    Kozlov
    Kozhnitz (from Kozienice, Poland)
    Krasna
    Krula
    Kshanov (from Chrzanów, Poland)
    Kutna (Hasidic dynasty)
    Kuzmir (from Kazimierz Dolny, near Warsaw)
    L
    Łańcut (from Łańcut, Poland)
    Lebina
    Lelov (from Lelów, Poland)
    Lechovitch (from Lyakhavichy, Belarus)
    Leipnik (from Leipnik, Czech Republic)
    Leipzig
    Linitz
    Liske
    Lizhensk (from Leżajsk, Poland)
    Leva
    Liozna
    Lublin (from Lublin, Poland)
    Lutsk (from Lutsk, Ukraine)
    M
    Madyer
    Malachim
    Margareten (from Marghita, Romania)
    Mattersdorf (from Mattersburg, Austria)
    Mezhbizh (from Medzhybizh), Ukraine; Also see Apter Rov
    Mishkoltz (from Miskolc, Hungary)
    Mogelnitz (from Mogielnica, Poland)
    Manestrishtze
    N
    Nadvorna
    Narol
    Nadferli
    Neshchiz (from Nesukhoyezhe, Ukraine)
    Nikolsburg[disambiguation needed ] (from Mikulov/Nikolsburg)
    Nitra (from Nitra/Nyitra)
    O
    Ostrof
    Ozherov (from Ożarów, Poland)
    P
    Pashkan (from Paşcani, Romania)
    Philadelphia (from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
    Piasetzne
    Pietrokov (from Piotrków Trybunalski, Poland)
    Pilts (from Pilica[disambiguation needed ])
    Pilzno
    Pinsk (named for Pinsk, Belarus)
    Pintchiv (from Pińczów, Poland)
    Pistin
    Pishkivitcha
    Pittsburgh (from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
    Porisov (from Parysów, Poland)
    Polonoye (from Polonne (Polonnoye), Volhynia)
    Premishlan (from Peremyshliany, Ukraine)
    Pshemishl (from Przemyśl, Poland)
    Pshevorsk (from Przeworsk, Poland)
    Pshiskhe (from Przysucha, Poland)
    R
    Radomsk (from Radomsko, Poland)
    Radorztz
    Radoshitz (from Radoszyce, Poland)
    Radvil (from Radyvyliv, Ukraine)
    Ratzfert (from Újfehértó, Hungary)
    Rimenov (from Rymanów, Poland)
    Ribnitz (from Rybnitsa, Moldova or Transnistria)
    Roman (from Roman, Romania)
    Ropshitz (from Ropczyce, Poland)
    Ruzhin (from Ruzhyn, Ukraine)
    Rzeszów (Rzeszów, Galicia, Poland)
    S
    Sadovna (from Sadowne, Poland)
    Sambur (from Sambir, Ukraine)
    Sadigura (from Sadhora, Ukraine)
    Sanz (from Nowy Sącz, Poland)
    Sasregen (from Szászrégen/Reghin, Romania)
    Serdahel (from Szerdahely)
    Sassov (from Sasiv, Ukraine)
    Savran
    Senta Serbia
    Seret (from Siret, Romania)
    Shedlitz (from Siedlce, Poland)
    Shepetivka from Shepetivka, Ukraine
    Shotz (from Suceava, Romania)
    Shidlovtza (from Szydłowiec, Poland)
    Shineva (from Sieniawa, Poland)
    Shpikov (from Shpykiv, Ukraine)
    Shpola (from Shpola, Ukraine)
    Shtefanesht (from Ştefăneşti, Romania)
    Siget (Sighetu-Marmaţiei/Máramarossziget, Romania)
    Sochatchov (from Sochaczew, Poland)
    Sokolov (from Sokołów Podlaski, Poland - there was a Hasidic dynasty in Sokołów Małopolski, Poland, as well)
    Stanislov (from Stanyslaviv, Ukraine)
    Stepan (from Stepan, Ukraine)
    Stichin (from Szczucin, Poland)
    Stretin (from Stratin, Ukraine)
    Strikov (from Stryków, Poland)
    Strizhov
    Sudilkov (from Sudylkiv, Ukraine)
    Sulitz (from Suliţa, Romania)
    T
    Tenka (from Hungary?)
    Tartakov (from Tartakiv, Ukraine)
    Tetsh (from Técső - now Tyachiv, Ukraine)
    Temishvar (from Timişoara, Romania)
    Tolna (from Talne, Ukraine)
    Toldos Tzvi
    Toltchva (from Tolcsva, Hungary)
    Tosh (from Nyírtass, Hungary)
    Trisk (from Turiisk, Ukraine)
    Tseshenov (from Cieszanów, Poland)
    Tshakova (from Szczakowa, Poland)
    Tzehlim (from Deutschkreutz, Austria)
    U
    Ujhel (from Újhely)
    Ungvar (from Ungvár)
    Unsdorf
    Ushpitzin (from Oświęcim, Poland)
    V
    Vasloi (from Vaslui, Romania)
    Vien (Rabbinical dynasty) (from Wien/Vienna)
    Voidislav (from Wodzisław, Poland)
    Volova (from Mizhhirya, Ukraine)
    Vorka from Warka, Poland
    Vulkan
    Y
    Yeruslav (from Jarosław, Poland)
    Yoka
    Z
    Zablitov (Zabolotiv, Ukraine)
    Zbarz (from Zbarazh, Ukraine)
    Zhmigrid (from Nowy Żmigród, Poland)
    Zhitomir (from Zhytomyr)
    Zibov
    Zidichov
    Zinkov
    Zlatipol (from Zlatopol)
    Zlotchov (from Zolochiv)
    Zolozitz
    Zychlin

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. zahavasdad
    Member

    That list is inaccurate

    Some groups no longer exist due to the holocaust and some (SANZ) have split into several groups. Sanz is now Bobover, Klausenberg Israel, Klausenberg USA , Sanz-Gribov , and Sanz-Gorlitz

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. apushatayid
    Member

    Boston. Moshulu. Glogov. Tomashov. The list is probably as long as the list of towns and villages in all countries where chassidus and chassidim are found.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    Gimmee a break. You just looked up a list of eastern european towns and copied and pasted. Most of those towns never had a Jew besides the "Moshke."

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. a mamin
    Tomid Besimcha!!

    WOW!!! K.A.H. but you left out quite a bit that I can think of....

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. crazybrit
    This lobsterback doesn't get a subtitle. Next time don't massacre us in Boston, and we'll think about it. And no taxation without 16th amendmentation!

    woo what a list! I'm a misnagdir'r chossid!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. musser zoger
    Member

    Popa-Gimmee a break. You just looked up a list of eastern european towns and copied and pasted. Most of those towns never had a Jew besides the "Moshke."

    I don't think Cleveland, Toldos Tzvi,Chabad, etc. are towns in Eastern Europe. Just sayin'

    Posted 3 months ago #
  9. sushe
    Member

    The Yerushalmi's are Perushim (i.e. Litvish). Even though they wear shtraimels, vaise zuken, and white yarmulkas.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  10. midwesterner
    Member

    I thought Bender was from Far Rockaway! (That's about as far as I had patience to read.)

    Posted 3 months ago #
  11. musser zoger
    Member

    Also left out the Krummer Rebbe, the Treifer Rebbe, the Chazzer Rebbe and the mishuginer Rebbe. Very choshuve dynasties.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  12. midwesterner
    Member

    Frankfurt and Kamenetz as Chssidic Rebbes?

    Belz, Bobov, Satmar, Stolin, Ger, Munkacz, Skver, Vizhnitz, comprise 90% of today's chassidim, and they're not there.

    What kind of joke is this list?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  13. apushatayid
    Member

    A pretty bad one.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  14. Tora Yid
    Member

    Between the US, EY, and Europe, Satmar has over 200,000 Chasidim.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  15. yungerman1
    Member

    You forgot to mention Spinka Rebbbe, and the Spinka Rebbe, and the Spinka Rebbe etc...

    Posted 3 months ago #
  16. nfgo3
    Member

    To kingdavid:

    1. Did you (i) pull this list out of your head, in alphabetical order, or (ii) find this list in a specific source? And if (ii) is the case, why would you not identify it so that the rest of us could benefit from it?

    2. You forgot the Satmar. I suggest you stay out of Williamsburgh and Kiryas Joel.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  17. midwesterner
    Member

    Well just in my list above, there are Bobov, Satmar, and Skver have 2 rebbes each, and Vizhnitz has 3. And there aren't any Lubavitcher Rebbes today, and Dovid Hamelech's list has 5 Chabads.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  18. webster
    Member

    sushe- true, the Perushim are a non-Hasidic Yerushalmi group (descendents of the talmidim of the Gaon of Vilna), however not all Yerushalmim are Perushim. Many are in fact Hasidim including Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  19. Syag Lchochma
    Tell it to me, and I will tell you if its Loshon Hara :)

    musser zoger - the Michigener Rebbe, isn't he from Detroit?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  20. musser zoger
    Member

    Here is david hamelech's source. see bottom of page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hasidic_dynasties

    Posted 3 months ago #
  21. Ragachovers Assistant
    Member

    I sent this list to someone, and he asked:
    What happened to Belz, Bobov, Square, and Visnitz which are major chasidus?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  22. cherrybim
    Member

    It's interesting that the original Rebbe in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania was not called the Pittsburger Rebbe. His grandson who was born in Newark, NJ and lives in Ashdod, Israel has given himself the title of the Pittsburger Rebbe. His father was a Rebbe in Newark and lived in Pittsburgh briefly after the death of the original Rebbe; before relocating to Ashdod. The vast majority of Rebbes in the USA today are Yankees.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  23. moi aussi
    Member

    Didn't see Kretchnif and Machnovka on the list.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  24. Medium Size Shadchan
    Member

    What a list!

    Allow me to go off on a tangent- I envy them all! Theyve got a tiny fraction of 30ish year old girls going through Gehenom in singledom, as the Litvishe do.

    Whatever the Rebbes are doing in that area, theyre doing it right! Without the help of Nasi. They dont need it.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  25. yungerman1
    Member

    Falsha Rebbe - not be confused with the Faltishaner Rebbe

    Flatbushe Rebbe- not to be confused with the Buhusher Rebbe

    Paya Rebbe

    Yami Roov

    Posted 3 months ago #
  26. Shticky Guy
    Shtick on a Stick :)

    You forgot to mention the Spinka Rebbbe, and the Spinka Rebbe, and the Spinka Rebbe

    Lol. The story goes that at a recent Spinka Rebbe's son's chasuna they had to hire a bus and a minivan to get there... the bus for all the Spinka Rebbes and the minivan for all their chassidim... Truth is there are HUNDREDS of rebbes. Look in any of the weekly picture magazines to find names that are useful to be used during a vision test. But what's the difference. What is a name already?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  27. Derech HaMelech
    Informative Contributor to the CR

    And,a related question - are the Yerushalimi groups like Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avraham Yitzchak considered Chasidic?

    Those 2 groups happen to be chassidic. They both split from Shomrei Emunim. They would be Yerushalmi Chassidim. However, there are also
    "Litvishe" Yerushalmis that are called Perushim. The original Perushim were talmidim of the Vilna Gaon who moved to E"Y.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  28. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the 2 most intellegent beings on Earth

    Simple answer. If you are chassidish then there is 1 Rebbe. If you are not, there are 0.

    Ask an atheist how many gods there are. Ask a pagan. Ask a jew. QED

    Posted 3 months ago #
  29. squeak
    Makes smalltalk with the 2 most intellegent beings on Earth

    Next question.. how many Avinu Malkeinus are there?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  30. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    C
    Chabad-Bobroisk (from Bobrujsk, Belarus)
    Chabad-Kapust
    Chabad-Liadi
    Chabad-Nezhin
    Chabad-Strashelye
    Chadusha
    Chernovitz (from Chernivtsi)
    Cieszanow
    Czortkow (from Chortkiv)
    Chust (from Khust)
    Cleveland
    Cracow (from Kraków)
    CREEDMOOR (from Creedmoor Psychiatric Center in Queens, NY)

    The Boirye Oilamois meCreedmoor, so known because he actually creates Chassidim with addresses and Social Security numbers, who are accepted by the most prestigious social welfare agencies and insurance firms throughout the world, is one of the most under the influence Rebbes of today!

    In all seriousness, that Wikipedia list is too detailed as it includes many chassidis'n that are long gone. Most of them disappeared during the churban, and most of their followers found their way to a larger chassidis from the same source (ie the Kotzker offshoots to Ger, Ujhil to Satmar, the Chabad offshoots back to Lubavitch, etc. Skvere has no one from Skvira, Ukraine left, and Satmar was a new chassidis before the war.) At least two errors - Nitra and Kashoi are not chassidish.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  31. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    Mishkoltz (from Miskolc, Hungary)

    Nikolsburg[disambiguation needed ] (from Mikulov/Nikolsburg)

    Nope :). Mishkoltz from Petah Tikva and Nikolsburg from Monsey and Boro Park. There never was a Chassidus in Mishkoltz. The Mishkoltzer Rebbe in Petah Tikva, who does great work and is very sincere, may be descended from a pre-war official rov of Mishkoltz, but he is the first Rebbe in his family tree.

    The Nikolsburger Rebbes just took the name because they may be descendants of Reb Shmelke. However, there was no Nikolsburger Chassidus any more than there was a Mezhibuzher or Mezritcher Chassidus (those may exist today too for all I know).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  32. moi aussi
    Member

    The Boyaner Rebbe wasn't mentioned yet, he's marrying off his daughter on Feb 14 (Valentine's day).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  33. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    The original poster posted only the section of the Wiki list that pertains to extinct or tiny chassidus'n. The first parts of the list include all of the major ones, except Creedmoor. There WAS an article on Chassidus Creedmoor in Wikipedia for almost 18 months until a moiser called attention to it.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  34. OnlyTheTruth
    Member

    It's a true Story that happened many years a go. When smoking at Chasunah's was more popular. A Rebbe was sitting at the head table of a wedding of the Daizsha family. the Rebbe said Daizsha Rebbe "Ir kent mir geben a Cigeretel?" Five hands with cigerets come flying his way.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  35. bygirl93
    Not old enough to have graduated BY in 1993

    first of all you forgot Rachminstirske (the spelling of it is hard!)and thank you for the mention of Manestrishtze! yes! it does exist! it is real! second of all just wanted to point out that all chasidus stems from the baal shem tov! and the BS"T is a direct descendant of david hamelech- so its apropo that king david posted the list- (i couldnt resist that point :-))

    Posted 3 months ago #
  36. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    Rachmistrivke :). That is a Twersky family Chassidus, from Reb Mottel Chernobyler. The other one I don't know at all.

    Skvere also comes from Chernobyl. I don't know if Lipa is really still part of Skvere, but his clothing comes right from Chernobyl - AFTER the nuclear accident!

    The Hungarian kanoim - Dushinsky, Toldos Aharon, Satmar, Pupa, Tosh and Erloi - are not really tied into the Baal Shem Tov (Satmar is connected to other Chassidus by marriage more than anything). They are closer to the Chasam Soifer in their hashkofoh, and the levush is more a way of showing they are sticking with the old ways.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  37. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a woman; not Mod 80. Sometimes a bit over the top.

    The Hungarian kanoim - Dushinsky, Toldos Aharon, Satmar, Pupa, Tosh and Erloi - are not really tied into the Baal Shem Tov (Satmar is connected to other Chassidus by marriage more than anything). They are closer to the Chasam Soifer in their hashkofoh, and the levush is more a way of showing they are sticking with the old ways.

    He said popa. Look everyone, he said popa. I am popa.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  38. smartcookie
    Member

    No he didn't. He said Pupa. You don't want people to call you PUPA, do you?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  39. 147
    Member

    KingDavid left out:-

    Bobov 48
    Bobov 45

    Satmar Aharon
    Satmar Nehemiah

    Posted 3 months ago #
  40. yaakov doe
    Member

    There is an infinite number of Chassidish Rebbes since almost every Rebbe's son wants his own title. Kind of like the stars in the sky or grains of sand. There are even mutliples with the same title ie Satmar, Spinka, Bostoner.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  41. ItcheSrulik
    Resident College "Shaigetz"

    Who's Satmar Nechemiah? Name sounds Tzioini

    Posted 3 months ago #
  42. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    haha Popa

    147 - Satmar Nehemia? The 2 factions are the Aroinim (Rav Aron) and the Zalim (Rav Zalman Leib).

    Posted 3 months ago #
  43. koillel101
    tuna baigel

    i think there are many that are only known to certain groups of people-like the people that daven in that shteibel

    Posted 3 months ago #
  44. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    That is true, Koillel. There are probably rabbonim with shtiblach and Chassidishe malbishim who are really chassidim of a major Chassidus but qualify as the Rebbes of some place long gone. There must be a shtibel with a Rebbe on every block of BP and even more in EY. The Stanislaver Rebbe is a mohel in London; I do not know that he has any Chassidim in the traditional sense although his shul is popular and he is a very well-respected mohel.

    If you really want to give Chassidus a try, your best bet is Creedmoor :). Barring that, and if you don't want Chabad or Breslov, I would look for a smaller, less established Chassidus that is open, like Mishkoltz or Pittsburgh in EY and I guess Boston or Reb Michel Twersky or perhaps Biala (Boro Park) in the US. The big ones, and the ones like Tosh where the Rebbe is aging, are just full of problems, ranging from corrupt gabboim and use of moisdos scams to succession fights.

    If you want a brocho from a Rebbe, the best source now is probably not a Chassidishe rebbe but rather Rabbi David Abouhasira in Nahariya (grandson of Baba Sali ZYA). A brocho from the Tosh Rebbe is very worthwhile, but call ahead before you go up to Quebec especially in the winter; make sure the Rebbe is available. I do not know if the Amshinover Rebbe in EY gives brochos.

    I am of course the Creedmoorer Rebbe's gabbai and I receive all requests and send out all invoices for brochos.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  45. 147
    Member

    Who is better off:- Bobov & Satmar with 2 rebbes vying for the same position? or Lubavitch & Breslow with zero living Rebbes?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  46. cherrybim
    Member

    Everyone needs a Rebbe with a warm hand and smile.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  47. moi aussi
    Member

    Novominsker Rebbe - Rabbi Yaakov Perlow

    Posted 3 months ago #
  48. The Great Bear of Creedmoor
    Member

    Does the Novominsker even wear Chassidishe levush? I have never seen a picture of him wearing anything any other rov on the Moetzes doesn't wear. He certainly is a godol, but he seems to act as any Litvishe rosh yeshiva does. He does not have any Chassidim in the tradtional sense from what I recall.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  49. Tora Yid
    Member

    Novominsk has a big Yeshiva. The Rebbe wears a shtraimel. He is a talmid of Yeshiva Chaim Berlin.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  50. Tora Yid
    Member

    What does "Admor" stand for? And who uses that title other than Rebbes? (I noticed some Sefardishe Rabbonim also being referred to as Admor.)

    Posted 3 months ago #

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