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Now that an Israeli court has ruled that is illegal for ElAl to ask a woman sitting next a chareidi Jew to change her seat, what will Chareidim do going forward? I assume the decision applies to all airlines
I don’t assume that; perhaps the Israeli law only applies to an Israeli company?
Maybe El Al (and other airlines, if it applies to them) will take special seating requests in advance, similar to kosher or mehadrin meals.
The person who objects to sitting next to the woman should offer to move (presumably to a middle seat, or switch to a less crowded flight). He should have arranged his seat previously (and a frum travel agent would know to book an entire two in order to avoid a problem). El Al, unlike, for example, Southwest, lets you book an actual seat in advance. In the US as well, the hareidi would be considered an out of line passenger and would probably be offered refund, especially if there was someone waiting to take the seat.
He should have arranged his seat previously
From what I understand, to this point, El Al, to this point, will not assign seats based on who else will be in the row. Many people don’t use travel agents.
This’ll just delay most ElAl flights since the flight attendants can no longer assist finding new seat assignments for men and women wishing to sit next to the same gender, what’ll now start happening at the beginning of every single ElAl flight is that you’ll have a 100 men and women going around themselves politely asking other passengers if they’re willing to swap seats until they find a kind passenger willing to make the swap.
Since everyone will be doing it on their own at the beginning of each ElAl flight without using the staff, it’ll take much longer till everything settles and the flight can take off.
The El Al decision applies only to El Al; other international carriers are not covered although all U.S. airlines already have policies in place that do not allow flight attendants to move passengers because another passenger objects to sitting next to them. The rules are flexible to ask for volunteers to change seats to accommodate a disabled person or allow a family with young children to sit together but the key word is “voluntary”; they cannot require a seat change to accommodate other passengers’ preferences. Chareidim can always book an empty seat next to them (and pay the cost) or take another flight. There is no reason ANY woman should be inconvenienced on a long overseas flight because some ehrliche yid is worried that they might not be able to control their yetzer horah.
Chareidim can always book an empty seat next to them (and pay the cost) or take another flight.
You know very well that nobody will buy two seats (there is no guarantee they would be consecutive anyhow). There’s no guarantee that the next flight will be any better, and people have schedules they need to keep.
I think El Al will figure out a way to satisfy their customers.
Gadolhadorah: There is no reason ANY woman should be inconvenienced
aaawwwh cummon, is it SUCH in inconvenience to move seats???
for heaven’s sake!If there are lots of empty seats, than asking a woman to voluntarily relocate to a comparable seat across the aisle or a row or two back is obviously not a big deal. However, the burden should be on the man who doesn’t want to sit next to a woman to relocate, NOT the woman. In any event, its NEVER ok to require a woman change seats if she doesn’t want to move, unless its a matter of security.
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