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Coffee Addict – That may very well be the reason for the heter, but I would delete the words (something common in Israel) as this may imply Motzi Shem Ra on both Am Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael.
Having lived in EY for many years, I actually have never seen that. If anyone is bothered by a lady walking in front of him, he can move to the side, and wait till all the women get on.
Personally, I usually try to move to the side and wait for the men to go on, so I am not walking in front of them. Once you are on the bus though, it can be impossible to avoid sometimes.
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Thanks DY for actually bringing the quote from the source! If that’s his loshon, then it certainly seems to prove the point that some of us were trying to make from the get-go, which is that we are supposed to take common courtesy into account (whether or not it is appropriate to use the word “chivalry”)
Lilmod,
You’re right,
And maybe the reason you never saw this is because of the heter
I have a question on this whole “ladies first” thing.
Some of the comments here as well as something else I saw on the topic got me thinking about this. I still am pretty convinced that as per Rav Shlomo Zalman, there are heterim nowadays, although w/o seeing it inside, it is hard to know to what extent it is b’dieved.
But, let’s assume for a moment that it’s technically completely muttar. Let’s assume that you never saw any specific source that it was assur. Something can be a problem in terms of tznius even if it is not brought down anywhere, simply because it is clearly a problem, and if one knows that is the case, obviously they should try to avoid it if possible.
I got the impression from some of the postings here that this may possibly fall in that category. I would like to know from the male posters here: If you had never heard that there was any halachic issue involved, would you consider it a problem in terms of tznius? (I hope that’s not inappropriate, I am asking l’toeles, since I have no other way of knowing. You can answer with a simple “yes” or “no”).
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