now i'm starting to feel guilty about fasting! maybe i should be fasting yom kippur!? didnt fwd put out a thing saying only to fast yom kippur? i'm so confused! i thought it just is not our mitzva to fast...
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and welcome to page 34!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry, princess, my english isn't that good! maybe someone else can help?
Btw, my a1c, dropped again b''h to 6.9! I'm so happy!
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Whoa!!! We're doing great!!! Page 34 - way to go ;)
rebbitzen - no way should you feel guilty! Lots of people don't do the fasts, for me i asked my dr and checked with my rav.. fasts affect everybody differently regardless of D ..
And btw i think fwd do say only to fast yom kipper (and tisha b'av?) !Posted 4 years ago # -
reb- theres no reason to feel bad!! i only very recently started to fast on tisha baav. i figured id try and if i cant i wont and i was able to (thats with staying in bed most of the day..) but u said it right on the dot.."it just is not our mitzva to fast... " its our mitzva to take care of ourselves! it says in the Torah "Vnishmartem es Nafshosechem" we need to take care of ourselves!!!!
tralala- AMAZING!!! congradulations!!! im sure it was so hard and you should be soooo proud ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Tralala that's GREAT!!!!! Like cofeefan says - be very proud!! HOW DID YOU DO IT???????
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Trala- keep it up, I mean keep it down.
The truth is I didn't really fast until I sort of perfected my basal rate. It really was because I tested every two hours on fasts that I was able to adjust my basal. If I was a little low I would suspend until it came up. So mostly on all fasts I try till chatzos, and on tisha b'av I try for the whole thing. On yom kippur I usually get through without eating. If I need to eat I eat less than the shuir every nine minutes. The past yom kippurs I did the whole thing but I felt the ketones after.
I finally went swimming this weekend so I tested before and I was 327. I gave myself a partial correction and ONE HOUR LATER I was 135 with a ton on board. Help!!
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woooooow dx3 thats a BIG difference for one hour!!! did you go low later in the day? when i go swimming i am always low after but thats after 30 min on eliiptical then 30 min swimming. i test before i leave my house then i have a coffee without bolusing for it and i dont correct if its high (i usuakly wake up with good numbers though...) then afer the first 30 min i eat a pack of winkies then go swim and thet i test when i get home. but im always low after anyways... and then i am STARVING!!! i eat anything i could get my hands on (which is prob why i cant lose any weight.... its a VICIOUS cycle!!!!!!)
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cofee- yeh you are right. i was famished after swimming and practically ate the cabinet too.
i did eat about 5-6 cookies bebore swimming but an hour later i was slightly low, and i felt shaky so i ate another 5-6 cookies. i ended up in the 200's.
just cant get it right, but we worked it out in the end.Posted 3 years ago # -
Losing weight... it's an impossible thing to do!! Dx3, "The past yom kippurs I did the whole thing but I felt the ketones after." - talk of ketones. It's all impossible!!!!
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Its weird, I never yet had ketones except for the time I was diagnosed bh, everyone else here does......i dont know, maybe i dont really have diabetes??? LOL!!!
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If you go try to test out if you do or don't have it indeed - then you will have ketones and can be "rediagnosed"!!!!! it may be worth it if you wanna lose weight;)
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You people check your ketones regularly?
I have a bottle sitting around somewhere, never thought about using themPosted 3 years ago # -
princess0 huh? I dont get it?
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i only check for ketones when i have very high numbers for a few days and cant get it down... BH only had a few times!!!!!!!
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alls - you said maybe you're not diabetic bc you've never had ketones since you were diagnosed.. so if you try out to see if you do indeed not have it - like not take insulin bc you're not diabetic - then you will have ketones ;) (and then you'll lose weight;) maybe it's worth it)
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You may loose weight by having ketones but I think there is a better way.....
As I was conditioning my hair in the shower this morning, I took time to read my shampoo bottle. I am in shock! The shampoo I use in the shower that runs down my entire body says "for extra volume and body"! Seriously, why have I not noticed this before? Now I understand why I am so "full-figured!"
Tomorrow I am going to start using dishwashing liquid. It says right on the label "dissolves fat that is otherwise difficult to remove.
It pays to read the labels my friends
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loll nechh its not worth trying princ..b'h i never had ketones n m not trying t get...;)) even it'll b stylish JK!
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Dx-it sure does pay to read labels but not always. like last night i ate this blintz it said on the box 10gram f carbs per blintz practically it didn’t even make sense but f'course i wouldn’t bolas other than the nutrition label....i was sooooo right! guess what my blood sugar was skyrocketing 2hrs later....shud the company just know what headaches they can cause to the sick.
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Sweet- I had the same thing with pita. It was labeled 30 grams per pita when I was around 56 carbs for each one.
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dx3- i also had probs with pita!!! i saw on the label it was 33 carbs but my levels were SOOOO high 2 hrs later... i tried giving more insulin for it and it helped..... soooo weird
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dx3 "You may loose weight by having ketones but I think there is a better way....." idk about that... cute one of the label! There's one i got where you have somebody standing on the scale .. upside down "aha, now i figured out how to weigh myself" . whatever.
GOOD SHABBOS EVERYONE!!!!!!!Posted 3 years ago # -
Did anyone read the article on VIN "West Africa - Orthodox Brooklyn Man Dies in Sierra Leone After Insurance Company Allegedly Dawdles" how a man died cuz the hospital was unable to produce him with insulin. It's sad to hear that in yr 2011 a hospital can lack in such a crucial life thingy as “insulin.”
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No I haven't, but in that area of the world anything is possible.
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What do you want from such backwards countries
Anyone read the article in Mishpacha Family First this week? Was pretty basic I think...Posted 3 years ago # -
my sister it. i personally dont like to read any articles written by a non diabetic abt diabetes because they speak as if they know when they have no idea. most of them end up irritating me so i dont start
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ur sister what it??
Yeh, I know what you mean, I was sitting there reading it and correcting it all the way through!
Not bad for s/o who doesn't know anything, I must sayPosted 3 years ago # -
Cofee, i know what you mean about not liking to read such articles! So you left it for your sis to read!? i was actually quite impressed with how it was written, although i can't say i like the fact that it's written in such a public mag.! So metooo what did you come up with that you wanted to correct?!
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Hey, I read the article sorry-but this piece of writing got me very agitated. C’mooon how can the writer bring into play such a term as” Type 2 diabetes is similar to type 1 but it develops in adults, later in life.” How can you compare the two…..Or the way the author expressed, “It’s not a disease-it’s a medical condition” can someone please define to me the diff btw a disease n a medical condition… The achruis n all for publishing wrong info is meanness, it is inexplicable... how can someone inexperienced take the nerve and publish such erroneous info…I’m very disturbed.
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my sister READ it sorry!!! lol
it bothers me soooo much that people thik they KNOW everything because they read abt it in textbooks or medical articals so then they have tha bility to write abt it. could be the author of the article is diabetic or is a doc idk and she/he could be right abt everything and the article could be spot on but i dont want to read it. when tralala wrote that was diff becasue A) i know that she knows what shes talking about bec she has D B)ive heard her opinions before and i agree with them. its just not worth the heartache of thinking im being JUDGED from the author. but again i didint read it so i dont know whether or not i would like it... lolPosted 3 years ago # -
Back to that story in Africa I think that it doesn't make sense. I can't be that you can't get insulin within a week to this person even if they don't have it.
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That's a good point dx3.. though you do hear these stories, statistics wise such stories must happen.
Tralala your article was indeed great!! idk, didn't find this article in family first say so much really, although you have a point sweettooth on that point of disease and medical condition! Cofee, dare you to read it, (just bc i wanna hear your opinion ;)) reb, alls, forever1, tralala - what do you say! i didn't like it bc i don't like everybody reading about it.. esp. the pump - when nobody knows about it, they aren't gonna suspect anything, but once reading about it they can already suspect!
Talking of the pump - one of the kids i teach pointed to my pump which was on my slip on my skirt, "i know where you keep your cell phone!!" and i watched my co-worker move her to glance in that direction...!Posted 3 years ago # -
Haha prince. your luck! maybe you get a bigger skirt or a smaller slip..::)) Dunno dx nothing seems to make sense in today’s world….hashem guides us... hopefully we should never come across anything like th…the article isn’t so expressive so it’s hard to imagine in what state he was in...like was he a type 1...? If ye why didn’t he have insulin clipped on….”he died out of complications of diabetes,” did the accident trigger those complications? or cuz he was insulin-free he died out of complication. It’s hard to understand …in either case Oxford seem to have not thought it was a dire situation so I guess they took their time to transport.
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The real story seems to be not what is being written. I think there is something missing here. I just have this feeling.
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Dx3 - you're talking about sweettooth's story? Things are never the way it seems!
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You know these 9 days are not helping me keep things as smooth as i want them to in regard to my #'s. I think the cheese is affecting the rate of absortion or somthing like that.
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I think its too much pasta!
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omg i have the same problem!!! for me its the pasta!!! i never (or hardly ever i should say...) have such heavy food at night.. usually chicken so im waking up with high numbers!! plus the lack of exercise is making a difference too! i guess thats the point in the 9 days! were supposed to suffer!!
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coffee- i dont think we're supposed to suffer in that sense... our health is still important!! noone is telling us we NEED to eat pasta that's r choice probably :) there are a ton of other options like salads, fish, fruit and veggies!!! (dont get me wrong, I opt for the pasta!! lOL
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I've been a type 2 diabetic since 1996, right after I turned 30. For the first seven years, I was generally controlled by diet and exercise, then later with oral meds.
My father-in-law, z"l, passed away in early 2003. I was very close to him. With taking care of my wife (his daughter) and my children who were 13 and 11 at the time, my own grief and taking over businesses he ran, I didn't take care of myself. I felt lousy, was losing weight like crazy and, according to my wife, was in a generally foul mood all of the time. I'd drink a 1 liter bottle of seltzer every few hours, was always tired and was going to the bathroom more than normal.
It all came to a head over Pesach that year, when we were out of town observing the Chag with my sister-in-law and her family. I promised my wife I'd go to the doctor when we got back and that visit probably saved my life.
There were mentions of ketones earlier in this thread. Because my body was not using glucose properly, my cells were essentially starving and I became ketoacidotic. That is, my body was breaking down fat and muscle in order to get enough energy to survive. My A1c at that time was 13.8! I went on long acting insulin at that time and have since gone on insulin at mealtimes as well. I am now wearing a continuous glucose monitor so I can see my trends. My last A1c was in the low 7's, I'm exercising and watching what I eat. The best part is that I feel well.
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Cofee - lol, i like that line of suffering in the 9 days, although it does say you're life comes first.. i'm sorry about your numbers and dx3 too, just hang in there, shabbos will be like normal and then there's just 2/3 more days..
Zen3344 - are you knew here? Welcome (to this thread anyway!) Have you been following here for some time or only recently?
Were you ever in hospital with the ketones? It's possible that some people purposely make themselves have ketones for the exact reason that you saw yourself (losing weight). Yes, it does mean you're A1c goes high and you feel irritable. It's very impressive how you have managed to get your A1c so far down and your life back in control, kudos!Posted 3 years ago # -
Princess, I'm relatively new. Never in the hospital for ketones - and I didn't purposely put myself into a state of ketoacidosis in order to lose weight. That's actually what some of the high protein, low/no carb diets do!
And, thanks for the kudos!
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Dx- I asked a Sheila regarding eating fleishigs in the nine days,(since eating everyday pita does harm to my control;) my Rav poskind that if eating milchigs results n abnormal control ,I shud rather eat fleishigs.
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~Welcome zen3344~
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Welcome zen3344- wow what a story. Are now considered type 1 and type 2 or are now only type1?
Well good for you for getting your life back in shape.Sweet - that is an interesting thing to continue to eat meat. I do eat pasts and more pasta and more pasta..... But I measure one cup to be forty five cabs. Pizza is fifty a slice but I try to dual wave or combo bolus because of the fat.
Princess- I will try to hang in there. Thanks for the encouragement.
I don't mind the milk part so much BUT my body doesn't do to well with it. It's a good thing that I like vegetables.Posted 3 years ago # -
Yeah, Zen so can you understand that people would do in especially!!
Yes, i say kudos again - hats off to you - very impressive! May we all manage to do what you did....
Sweettooth, interesting to hear that about eating meat. Well, you asked and you got an answer!
How did it go for you dx3 and coffee and the rest of you?
i'm completely losing it again.And now for the this fast.. whose fasting?! Hands up ;) jk.
May it be a meaningful day either ways and let us mourn that we cannot mourn..Posted 3 years ago # -
LOL em fasting since the morning I woke up with a bg close to 300 cuz my infusion wasn’t inserted properly. So here I am sitting n waiting fe my bg te crawl down. (Hashem has his plans..cn’t complain) Its ‘a rehearsal jk! Easy fast everyone….
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How was it for those of you who fasted?
I decided to give it a try for once, bh worked out ok!
But, please clue me in how my body can work on .20 units of insulin per hr??? (as opposed to the usual avrg of .80)
I know it's because of fastinge but technically how does it work?Posted 3 years ago # -
Hey, yeah, how did it go?! Sweettooth, did the "prep" help..
Here i was mostly okay, for some reason i didn't have to reduce my basal at all! Whilst last time i had to most of the time.. But than after the fast was over i went shooting ALL the way up..
Metooo - what happens is that normally the body is constantly breaking down the sugar for energy and that is why we need a basal. Then when we fast the body is, like - hold it! i can't break down the sugar, i need to hold on to it! And so as the fast continues and the body is still getting no food it stops breaking down the sugar, and consequently will need less and less basal..You only take .80?? i'm on so much more insulin...;(
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That's what was so strange, I thought as the day goes by the body needs less...but I was on the same temporary basal throughout the whole fast!
yup, .80 is like one of my highest rates (it goes as low as .55) I take less than 20 units for my total basalPosted 3 years ago #
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