Does a Divorce indicate a Family lacked Shalom Bayis?

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    Naysberg
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    If a couple divorced, does that necessarily demonstrate that they lacked shalom bayis?

    #913347

    DaasYochid
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    Usually; but I can think of exceptions based on halachic considerations.

    #913348

    popa_bar_abba
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    Nah, sometimes it’s just that they were hypnotized accidentally while watching a magic show, and had their memories switched, so that they think they didn’t have shalom bayis, but really they did.

    That’s why any competent rav would ask if they have been to a magic show lately before granting a divorce.

    #913349

    DaasYochid
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    Yeah, that too.

    #913350

    cantgetit
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    DaasYochid: Those halachicly required divorces you are referring to are generally speaking, too, an indication of a lack of sholom bayis.

    #913351

    popa_bar_abba
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    DaasYochid: Those halachicly required divorces you are referring to are generally speaking, too, an indication of a lack of sholom bayis.

    Not where he’s a kohen.

    #913352

    artchill
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    Nah!!! Of course it’s not an indication of lack of Shalom Bayis! Don’t all healthy couples who love each other get divorced???

    #913353

    besalel
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    the way you posed the original question is a misnomer. its like asking is it always true that one who sits in the dark has no light in his room. but if you mean can two people who loved and may still love each other get divorced, i think most will agree, yes. (but love is only one part of sholom bayis.)

    #913354

    DaasYochid
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    Popa, correct. Or if they are childless after ten years, although for some reason, that’s usually not kept (I think Rivash addresses this).

    #913355

    Naysberg
    Member

    Kohanim is usually not kept either. The Kohen usually says he “doesn’t believe it”, and even if it is true he can stay married.

    #913356

    Or a soldier who dies and they wrote a get to work lemafraiya.

    #913357

    (or if he’s mia)

    #913358

    musser zoger
    Member

    Or a goses w/o kids gives a get if brother wouldn’t give chalitza to the widow.

    #913359

    Toi
    Member

    no they lacked carrots.

    #913360

    Bar Shattya
    Member

    yeah, or maybe she just double-dared him to

    #913361

    Does starvation indicate a lack of food?

    #913362

    cantgetit
    Member

    The Gemora and Shulchan Aruch talks about divorcing a wife for burning dinner or even finding a prettier wife, examples that may be non shalom Bahia issues.

    #913363

    Health
    Participant

    Naysberg -“If a couple divorced, does that necessarily demonstrate that they lacked shalom bayis?”

    In my case there wasn’t so much Sholom Bayis and I’m divorced, but the honest truth is I know couples much worse than I was with Sholom Bayis and are still married.

    #913364

    Seahorse
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    What is the purpose of the Talmud allowing divorce over burnt food? Do the rabbis really want so many divorces and such pressure put on women?

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