Feud between Chabad & Breslov

Translation from Slonim book. If I could upload a photo I would.

Translation: When I was in Lubavitch, and was eating at the house of the Rebbe Rashab, the Rebbetzin Rivka told me that Rebbe Nachman of Breslov had trouble with the Misnagdim. However, he was also suffering especially from the Chassidim who were against him, except Rebbe Levi Yitzchok of Barditchov, who was on his side. The Alter Rebbe, for his part, voiced his own holy opinion,”I am not like those who only support Rebbe Nachman, rather I and him are one and the same. Whoever messes with Rebbe Nachman messes with me.”

Translated by Dovid B. Kaplan.

Chaverim kol Yisroel??

Yytz; What are the Chavakuk types?

jakob- chabad doesnt do kiruv, we do shlichus. kiruv means bringing close whats far and we dont believe that any jew is far.

770Chabad; Does anyone force them to be frum?
Chabadgal; So how would you define Shlichus?
Messengers? To do what? Which Mitzvah?

Shlichus (and mivtzoim) are just the Chabad terms for their version of outreach, or kiruv as it’s called among most Jews. (The Rebbe objected to the term kiruv for the reason chabadgal mentions.) They don’t put any pressure on people or try to convince them Yiddishkeit is true, but instead just teach and serve as inspiring examples and hope that people are motivated to make their own decisions to take on more mitzvos. Breslov tends to use the term hafatza instead of kiruv.

Some non-Chabad, especially Litvish, kiruv rabbis are known to be a little more high-pressure, trying to convince people logically that Torah is true and getting them into BT yeshivas that help them quickly become completely frum. Still, not even they “force” people to be frum, which is impossible anyway.

I know a lot of chabadnicks
I also know a lot Breslevors
as far as I know they love all fellow jews
which is more than i can say about this thread

That’s right we also say Hareini Mikabel at the start of daavening

Neville ChaimBerlin
U have no idea what you are talking about how abou go read level לב of Tanya it’s all about ‏אהבת ישראל that’s the heart (לב) of the Tanya go read it and come back to me and tell me what u have to say because Chabad loves everyone and we accept them for who they are

The fact of the matter is that Breslov was outed by all of the other Chassidic groups because of very puzzling statements attributed to Rabbi Nachman (he did not write any of his books – they were written in his name by his talmid Reb Natan). Among the charges were deviating form what had become traditional Chassidic views, thinking that he was Mashiach and claiming that he was greater than Moshe Rabbenu. Today the problem is magnified because anyone can call himself a Breslover and some subgroups have engaged in extremely questionable activities. While this is also true of Chabad to a certain extent they at least have an official bet din and organization which are very strong within the movement.

Neville you have no clue what your talking about. Chabad doesnt hate anyone. Thats the basis of chabad to love every jew equally

@chabadgal
Haters will always hate
Lovers will always love
Chabad loves and accepts everyone for who they are and we will never ever hate or discriminate against anyone and we believe חסידים איין משפחה …..

Uncle Ben, Chavakuk refers to people who don’t belong to a single chassidus but instead focus on studying Breslov and Chabad chassidus, as well as the teachings of Rav Kook. (Sometimes people include Carlebach in there too.) Popular among some dati leumi in the West Bank. Similar to “neo-chassidus” discussed recently among ba’alei teshuvah in the US.

Avi K, Rebbe Nachman never claimed to be moshiach or greater than Moshe Rabbeinu. People accused him of saying things he never said. At first he had a lot of opposition but for the last few generations Breslovers have been accepted as mainstream charedi Jews.

Breslov is less centralized than other groups because Rebbe Nachman didn’t believe in hereditary rebbes. So there are a number of groups. All are basically normal frum Jews, though one (very visible but small in numbers, probably less than 1% of Breslovers) group is a bit different…

I am Chabad and I have NEVER heard of any animosity between Chabad and Breslov… on the contrary. I know a number of Chabadnikim who go every RH to Uman ; the numbers were so large last year, they have their own tent for davening (according to our nusach.)

As for Shluchim: Jakob, are you prepared to take the place of my daughter, her husband & 6 kids in Slovakia? Are you going to travel 6 hours each way in really harsh winters to do a Tahara on an altere Yid? Or to sit with a family & beg the goyishe wife not to cremate her husband? Are you going to travel from shetl to shtetl, to places like Tarnow, Nitra, towns that were once Makom Torah & now have less than a minyan, to bring them lulav and esrog?

Just wondering: would your children prefer to study online because there aren’t any schools? How about sending your daughter overseas for HS because Online School stops at 8th grade? Are you happy your kids have friends outside their siblings? How about having to make everything yourself or import truckloads of stuff from UK & store it in a commercial freezer in another city?

The list goes on. And let’s not forget the tourists who go to them, schnorr a beautiful Shabbos meal, yet talk about Chabad as you do? You all know where to turn when there’s a problem in Peru, or Nepal, or Wyoming.

I hope your Din V’cheshbon includes the anti-Chabad rhetoric you and others like you spew on a frequent basis.

Sorry Mr 770Chabad. You can deny all you want and try persuading all you want,but the fact of the matter is that chabad does NOT accept or respect any other minhagim other than their own. And please dont bring up the Rebbe’s ways since you are not the Rebbe and neither are all the other chabadnicks, who only “follow” the Rebbe when it is comfortable for them. And before you attack me for being anti -chabad or even better a “misnaged” ( a word you guys cant use enough), I have known chabad my whole life and have even lived in Crown Heights for several years. The hatred that they spew out against other Yidden is shocking. The only thing is they try to cover it up by showing how kind they are to Yidden who have almost no Yiddishkeit, which allows them to bash everyone else. Not one farbrengen goes by without several mentions and jokes bad mouthing “litvaks” or “misnagdim”. You cannot sit at a persons Shabbos table without hearing an “inspirational story” of how when a litvish chazan cries on Yom Kippur he is doing so in order to impress the crowd, but when a chossid cries, it is because he means it, and that is the difference between us chassidim and those misnagdim (snags). Wow thats a lot of Ahavas Yisrael. And you know what else, they dont repsect any other Gedolim unless they maybe had some connection with a Chabad Rebbe in the past, and they dont respect anyone who has not PROVED themselves to be a “friend” of chabad. This is despicable, everyone is guilty of hating chabad unless they showed some type of closeness to chabad. You guys think that everywhere outside of Crown Heights, Yidden are sitting and talking about how much they hate chabad. Newsflash! WE have much better things to do such as focus on Torah than talking about chabad. Noone even brings up the subject cause nobody cares. But when you are in Crown Heights its like, wait does this person like chabad? Is this person close to chabad? Thats the first question in order to know if that person is chabad approved or not. To chabad a Jew who doesnt have chassidus(Tanya) does not have Yiddishkeit, and any Torah and mitzvos they do is worthless. Everyone should learn Torah from chabad but it cannot be the other way around. You know what, you should probably focus on your own off the derechs and “modern dressed” women than on other Frum Jews who can probably give you some tips on ben adam lehavairo. Why dont you focus on Chabad BT’s who are treated as second class citizens who noone wants anything to do with, after you lure them in deceptively convincing them that they will be just as accepted as any other Lubavitcher. That is the furthest from the truth. You pick up BT’s to become chabad and once they are in you throw them away to the wolves and offer them only the most incompatible shidduchim ever which is why so many of them are so lost.

Hml only when they get stranded somewhere without anything and who will come save them ? Us we will provide food money lodging and anything else the person needs without expecting a cent back …

Don’t worry. Shluchim get tons of money from non chabad people so don’t feel bad for helping out those who get stranded. Especially pandering to those who they are mekarev in exchange for handsome donations.

Syag Lchochma- Isn’t it obvious why they don’t mix with other frum Yidden? They dont want the children to learn their “evil Misnagdishe ways”. They also will not participate in any non chabad events since they feel superior and most likely these non chabad event will likely be anti-chabad in their minds.

I have a Chabad bloodline running through me, and though I was on a Litvishe Brisker traectory, I hobnobbed at 770 in my youth. It struck me to see Morracan/Israeli rechokin that were chabadnikized, thinking that it would be a greater hashovas aveda to restore their native mesorah, as Rav Ruderman had done. I had an unfortunate argument with a big-wig on the nusach at the chupah of a sefardi chatan/lubavich kalla. His answer was lo khalacha and his arrogance was off the charts, Years later the מכין מצעדי גבר placed me as a baal koreh at a chabbad minyan. It would seem, that at least in public, there is no creativity, no original thought, as every discourse starts with “The Rebbe says”. It is sad to see Torah learning stunted in service of a narrative.

770Chabad you wrote “Chabad loves and accepts everyone for who they are and we will never ever hate or discriminate against anyone and we believe חסידים איין משפחה …..”

If Chabad loves and accepts everyone for who they are etc why is it only חסידים איין משפחה? What happened to the millions who aren’t chassidim?