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  • #1258558

    lightbrite
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    Would you say a shechiyanu before or after lift off?

  • #1258572

    Little Froggie
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    Shehechiyanu I think is said when buying.

    The issue I think is tefillas haderech. Because it really should be said standing (I think), and when not doing anything. So lchatchila you should first wait for lift off, then get out and say tefillas haderech, get back in, and continue….

  • #1258583

    Joseph
    Participant

    Or a driverless car.

  • #1258686

    iacisrmma
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    LF: Do you stand to say tefilas haderech on an airplane? Rabbi Belsky TZATZAL paskened that the proper time to say tefilas haderech on an airplane is when it is taxiing down the runway for takeoff. At that time passengers are seated. So Why should a flying car be different?

  • #1258698

    Little Froggie
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    Actually the precise time to say it on a plane would be when co-pilot calls out “rotate”. That’s the “point of no return”. Which would be the exact time to say Tefillas Haderech.

    I was just writing for “lchatchila”. Lchatchila it should be said standing. And a pilot (or driver) should be doing nothing.

  • #1258778

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    LF: And when do the passengers know when the co-pilot says “rotate”? I think I’ll rely on Rabbi Belsky’s psak.

  • #1258790

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Oh! I though you were in the cockpit….

    as an aside… something really funny happened to me one time.. I took a plane out with an experienced instructor.. He was in the student’s seat, I was in the main.. Anyways.. he’s going through the pre-flight check.. check this.. check that. Then, “where’s the x?” (forgot what it was.. many years ago).. and he’s searching for it all around!!! (mind you – he’s an instructor!) I timidly pointed to it.. Oh!

    Another time I went with another one. He did the landing, and as he’s coming in I hear a whistle… “what’s that?”, Oh it’s nothing… (actually it was the stall warning.. not dangerous at that phase, but shouldn’t have been…)

  • #1258814


    Participant

    … when co-pilot calls out “rotate”. That’s the “point of no return”.

    Rotate (or Vr) is defined as “The speed at which the pilot begins to apply control inputs to cause the aircraft nose to pitch up, after which it will leave the ground.” I think what you really meant is V1 which is defined as “The speed beyond which the takeoff should no longer be aborted.”

    Point of no Return, or the proper term “Point of Safe Return” is a completely different concept.

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  • #1258882

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    I have never heard that tefilas haderech should be said standing. I’m not saying it’s not true, but I never heard of that before and I’ve never seen it done that way. What is the source for that?

    I have occasionally seen people pull over and stop the car to say tefilas haderech (although even that, I have rarely seen), but I never saw them stand.

    In any case, when people fly somewhere, don’t they usually have to travel to get to the airport first, so shouldn’t tefilas haderech be said on the way to the airport?

  • #1258919

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    LU: The Mechaber states it is a preference to stand when possible (See Mishna Berurah Siman Kuf Yud Sif Daled):

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49623&st=&pgnum=270

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=49623&st=&pgnum=271

    As for travelling to the airport, it depends where one lives. Most people in NYC / 5 Towns do not recite tefillas haderech going to JFK or LGA.

    And even if someone does say tefillas haderech to the airport, their is a special tfila printed in some siddurim/tehillim specifically for SEFINAS HA’AVIR (airplanes).

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