Has anyone ever gone on the separate gender birthright trip? what type of crowd goes? Does it pay for me to go?
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Frum Birthright Trip?
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Does it pay? Well, you don't have to pay, but I don't think they pay you either.
My friend went on one. He had a good time, but the kashrus was a major issue. He basically ate chocolate puddings.
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i dont think they do frum ones anymore. agav, someone i know went on birthright. they didnt allow him to go visit his chareidi relatives on saturday night, for fear that they would influence him. instead they forced him to go to bars in town for a more cultured experience. when he threatened to go to his relatives anyway, they threatened him with billing him for the entire cost of the trip they had payed for. doesnt sound like a group you wanna hang with.
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Toi, c'mon. I am very, very familiar with Birthright, the good and the bad. No one is ever forced to go to a bar. That being said, the rules they operate under, the insurance coverage they have, and the security guidelines they must follow make it impossible for people to take side trips during the 10 days of the experience. People visiting their non chareidi relatives would be prohibited as well. Also - the conditions or circumstances whereby a participant might be billed for the entire cost are laid out explicitly in the paperwork and application process before the trip, so there should be no surprises for anyone who bothered to read them.
Clearly, the majority of the participants on the regular trips are not only not frum, but are mostly far from any Jewish experience at all, especially those from the US, or places like CUba or Brazil. Such a group is not the environment for a frum young adult. The good news, such as it is, is that the statistics demonstrate that Birthright alumni are more likely to participate in Jewish experiences, date Jewish, and marry Jewish after their experience. That in and of itself is a pretty good justification of the investment when intermarriage is over 50%.
There are a few offerings for frum kids. I know, from having worked with the logistics provider for Birthright while leading my own, non-birthright seminar in Israel for student leaders, that they only do mehadrin kashrus on a "best efforts" basis, and all else is rabanut hechsher. It was somewhat of a headache for us, but we worked it out and found solutions. That wouldn't be the case on a birthright trip, and it wouldn't satisfy the needs of many. I don't know what arrangements they may have made for the frum trips. But, again, they are upfront with it, and will tell anyone who asks what the kashrus standard is ahead of the trip, I think it might even be on the FAQ on their website.
Posted 1 year ago # -
2be,
I was going to go on one 8 years ago but missed out, and then a kol korei went out against birthright
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Toi: Birthright has a policy that you must stay with the group. It had nothing to do with the influence they might have had. They wouldn't let him visit non-observant relatives either. When I went on Birthright, my family (chareidim) were able to come to the hotel in the evening to visit me.
On Motzei Shabbos, yes, they did take some of the group to a bar. For those who didn't want to go to a bar, they had other options.
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I went on the all girls birthright trip 2 years ago. I had a very mixed crowd, a lot of lubavitch girls, some bais yaakov girls from brooklyn, and some YU kind of girls. I just met someone a few days ago who went this past winter and she had a basically all bais yaakov type of group and the madrichas were also bais yaakov. She had a fantastic time! It depends on your group and what kind of personality you have if you'll enjoy it. We did have an option to a go to a bar one night, and whoever was interested went. Trips were really good and extending your ticket is really cheap so I stayed an extra week. The hechsher was good, we ate very nicely. They serve 2 meals a day so the third one they drop you off on teh steet to find a good restaurant.
It was totally worth it, we went on great trips and everything was free and i extended my trip for a 100 bux or something like that. Great experience! Go with friends though if your quiet type. And no you can't leave the group EVER but there was time for people to visit you on Motzai shabbos. Go with friends and you'll love it!Posted 1 year ago # -
thanks for your help!
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My daughter went on the trip (it was gender-mixed) with a group of her friends. Though it was Orthodox in nature,realistically only she and her friends plus a few other members of the group actually were frum. They were the ones who got up to daven every morning, and paused for mincha and maariv later in the day. Their group did not go to any bars, but the absolute rule was that no one could deviate from the planned itinerary (for safety's sake).
It was the best time of her life, to that point and instilled a great awe of E"Y in her as she stood on mekomos kedoshim and realized our Avos and Emahos walked there, too. Nowadays, I don't knwo what the program is like, if it still exists. I had heard the funding was withdrawn.
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