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  • #607364

    myls87
    Member

    I am looking for a frum community with young families near Lakewood. I do not think my family would fit in with the Lakewood crowd but am looking for something nearby due to business. Any suggestions?

  • #967386

    iced
    Member

    Passaic or Clifton?

  • #967387

    akuperma
    Participant

    You have New York and the rest of New Jersey to the north, and Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington to the south. What’s the problem.

  • #967388

    janetldd57
    Member

    I would highly recommend the Long Branch Elberon community.It is a modern orthodox community accepting of everyone. Our shul which I proudly belong to is a very warm and welcoming community. We do have young familes who attend our local school Yeshiva at the Jersey Shore. We have kosher food right at your doorstep, restaurants, mikvah and an eruv. Our rabbi is phenomenal. Come check out Brothers of Israel in Elberon. We even have a website.

  • #967389

    myls87
    Member

    Thank you all for the replies. Passaic or Clifton seems to be over an hour drive. My ideal scenario would be somewhere near Lakewood to cut the commute time as I currently live in Brooklyn now.

  • #967390

    uneeq
    Member

    Check out Rain Tree. It’s in Lakewood but without the quirks.

  • #967392

    Health
    Participant

    janetldd57 -You must be kidding. ALMOST all the Jews there are Sefardim. Well I guess he could be a Sefardi.

  • #967393

    Health
    Participant

    myls87 -“Thank you all for the replies. Passaic or Clifton seems to be over an hour drive. My ideal scenario would be somewhere near Lakewood to cut the commute time as I currently live in Brooklyn now”

    Manalapan is 20 minutes from Lakewood and is a BT and/or MO community.

  • #967394

    Health
    Participant

    uneeq -“Check out Rain Tree. It’s in Lakewood but without the quirks.”

    So you or s/o you know lives in Raintree? I don’t live that far away. But Raintree is Ok, but I wouldn’t consider it Modern though.

    The other side of the lake near R’ Gissinger’s Shul is more modern.

  • #967395

    gefen
    Participant

    myls87- are you modern orthodox as some ppl are assuming? or are you more right wing than that or perhaps yeshivish but not quite the lakewood type? that would probably make a difference in what community you look into.

  • #967396

    shmendrick
    Member

    Lakewood is where every Jewish person belongs.

    It is an It Hatorah, the center of the universe.

    You and your family will fit in if you want. Just breathing the same air that is shared with so many learner is purifying and uplifting.

    If you can live in the Kodesh Hakadoshim, why would you want to live michutz lemachane like a tomei mess or a metzorah??

  • #967397

    uneeq
    Member

    I was in Rain Tree for a shabbos a while back and really enjoyed it. It was chilled out and relaxing. I stayed at friend that loves it there and isn’t yeshivish at all and is even leaning modern.

    I have another friend that lives there that isn’t yeshivish that likes it there. My totally unyeshivish brother would live there if his wife would let.

    The question remains, what are you looking for?

  • #967398

    HaKatan
    Participant

    shmendrick, I presume your post was serious, offensive as it is.

    The answer to your question is that, for starters, if you will be a better oveid Hashem elsewhere then you are obligated to NOT live in Lakewood and to live in whatever place that is, much as it would be nice to breathe in the air of all that learning in Lakewood. Yours is a question based on what’s known in learning as an emotional sevara.

  • #967399

    uneeq
    Member

    Hakatan: Please don’t feed the troll.

  • #967400

    myls87
    Member

    I do not consider myself mo-dox. I grew up and live in Flatbush, went to all “regular” yeshivas and am now a working, colored shirt wearing, bal habus who is kovea itim on a daily basis and loves learning.

  • #967401

    iced
    Member

    myis: so why do you think you wouldn’t fit in with the Lakewood crowd?

  • #967402

    uneeq
    Member

    I think you would fit fine in Rain Tree. But don’t take my word for it, check it out well before you make any decisions.

    Is there anyone from that neighborhood in this forum?

  • #967403

    R.T.
    Member

    From shmendrick:

    “Lakewood is where every Jewish person belongs.

    It is an It Hatorah, the center of the universe.”

    Now be careful. Where have I heard this before? (a refresher in medievel and contemporary history would be in short order)

    Tell me Shmendrick, what do you say in Shmonai Esrai? VeLYerusahlayim Ere’cha or VeLakewood Ere’cha?

    I can not answer the OP’s question (I live in Canada). But there are many wonderful Mekomot Torahs in the tri state area (from my travels) to choose from.

  • #967404

    janetldd57
    Member

    Yes there are a lot of sephardim but I belong to a modern orthodox Ashkenaz shul which is very friendly,warm and welcoming.When we came back from California we moved back to the same community because we loved it so much. Yeshiva at the Jersey Shore is an Ashkenaz yeshiva which is phenomenal.

  • #967406

    Yatzmich
    Member

    myls87,

    Be smart & stay as far away from Lakewood as you can. The OTD rate for teens is climbing fast. Even for pre-teens. It’s rediculous. And Tznious? Forget about it. The women’s clothing is getting tighter & shorter by the week. Even by the “yeshivisha” people.

    And as far as getting your kids in to schools in Lakewood, be prepared to be humiliated and degraded and thrown from one bin to another.

  • #967407

    Health
    Participant

    Yatzmich -“And as far as getting your kids in to schools in Lakewood, be prepared to be humiliated and degraded and thrown from one bin to another.”

    Excuse me. Not if you have a lot of money and then they will be chasing after you.

  • #967408

    golfer
    Participant

    Hakatan– What?? He was serious?? Impossible!

    Shmendrick– LOL! Thanks! You gave me my first good belly laugh of the day. (If you frequent the internet – although that may also imply you are wearing a colored shirt – you may find the relevant medical articles suggesting you also boosted my immune system and provided me with a host of other health benefits.)

  • #967409

    shmendrick
    Member

    golfer – “if you frequent the interner…” are you implying that you weren’t at the Asifa or that I do ot follow the call of gedolim against the tumah of internet?

  • #967410

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Yatzmich “The women’s clothing is getting tighter & shorter by the week. Even by the “yeshivisha” people”

    Sounds like Flatbush, Marine Park or the 5 towns to me. I thought that tznius in Iyar Hacodesh were better.

  • #967411

    Yatzmich
    Member

    Sorry YD, it’s the truth. The “Lakewood” stereotype is changing fast.

  • #967412

    uneeq
    Member

    YatzmichMy knee jerk reaction would be to call you out for exaggerating and stereotyping, until I remembered that, unfortunately, you’re not so far off from reality.

  • #967413

    147
    Participant

    First things first. Make sure that the neighborhood is on very high ground, way above sea level. This case you shall IY’H never have to worry about any futures coastal flooding nor hurricanes.

    This also shall be a wonderful opportunity to fulfill first hand, the Mitzwah of “vNishmartem Me’od lNafshoseichem”

  • #967414

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Lakewood is in a flood zone. I dont think it flooded for Hurricane Sandy, but parts did flood for Hurricane Irene last year

  • #967415

    shmendrick
    Member

    The Torah learning of Lakewood protects the entire city from all calamities.

    Reb Moshe was once told that a child was injured by a car in front of his apartment building. He immediately said that the child is not Jewish. When it was discovered that ineed the child was a non-Jew, Reb Moshe said that his learning Torah is a shmirah, and no Jewish child could have gotten hurt in front of his apartment.

    Lakewood is a bayis ma’aleh seforim, it has the shemirah of Torah learning which saves from any gashmiyus or ruchniyus danger.

    Just as there was no mabul in Eretz Yisroel – it is poshut that there was no flooding in Lakewood!

  • #967416

    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    myls87

    how about edison? its a really gorgous place and i think its pretty close to lakewood..

  • #967417

    N.G
    Member

    Hopefully you are not going to move were The Coffee Room think you should move. Do not relay on The Coffee Room.

  • #967418

    mommamia22
    Member

    Shmendrick

    “…no Jewish child could have gotten hurt in front of his apartment.”

    And what of the Fogel family???

    Was their Torah learning and mesiras nefesh not a shmirah for them?!?!

  • #967419

    WIY
    Member

    mommamia

    Don’t feed the trolls they are fat enough already.

  • #967420

    Josh31
    Member

    “It is an Ir Hatorah”

    It was an Ir Hatorah before people who waste their time in the Coffee room moved there.

    Living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim requires requires a much higher standard. Most people actually need the down time in the CR or other Kosher diversions.

    Most people should realize that their living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim will dilute the intense Kedusha, and not move there.

  • #967421

    shmendrick
    Member

    Josh31 – “Living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim requires requires a much higher standard… Most people should realize that their living in the Kodesh Hakadoshim will dilute the intense Kedusha, and not move there.”

    Following the path of your logic you probably would advocate against most yidden moving to Eretz Hakodesh. since it would “dilute the intense kedusha”. The road you follow leads to strange destinations!

    On the contrary, the kedushas hamokm uplifts the inhabitants! If someone is lacking kedusha, he should go to a mokom kodosh. In Lakewood the air is full of kedusha, the gravel is walked on by talmidei chachomim, and it is a zchus to walk in their dust. In the supermarket I am mechabed chochomim by letting them check out ahead of me. When driving and arriving at an intersection, I always let the Torah Yidden go ahead of me. And being a Torah Yid and a kollel person, I expect the same courtesy back.

  • #967422

    Health
    Participant

    shmendrick -“In the supermarket I am mechabed chochomim by letting them check out ahead of me. When driving and arriving at an intersection, I always let the Torah Yidden go ahead of me.”

    So I’ll give you a picture of me and my car so you can do that to me also. I’m obviously a much bigger Talmid Chochom than you and I proved it in the topic of “saying Good Shabbos on Fri.”

    Also, you should support me financially because of my learning which is much better than yours!

  • #967423

    Josh31
    Member

    “and a kollel person”

    I hope you are lying.

    I cannot believe that a serious Lakewood Torah learner posts as shmendrick.

    schmendrick

    Web definitions

    A man who messes things up, always loses and feels miserable. An unfortunate. Closely related to Schlemazel and Schlemiell….

    If you do any learning change your posting name!!!

  • #967424

    aurora77
    Participant

    Whenever I hear those three Yiddish words, I think of the Three Stooges! 🙂

  • #967425

    Josh31
    Member

    “Following the path of your logic you probably would advocate against most yidden moving to Eretz Hakodesh. since it would “dilute the intense kedusha”. “

    Per Mishna near beginning of Kelim there are 10 steps of Kedusha between Eretz Hakodesh and Kodesh HaKodashim.

    We (including the Kohen Gadol) are expected to live most of our lives within the lower levels.

  • #967426

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I have lots of family in Lakewood and not only do they not have internet, they wont even hold my smart phone

  • #967427

    WIY
    Member

    Zahavasdad

    They must be very yeshivish and really “shtark” or just playing you because I know many Lakewood people and this is not the norm.

  • #967428

    Health
    Participant

    WIY -“They must be very yeshivish and really “shtark” or just playing you because I know many Lakewood people and this is not the norm.”

    I think he might be related to a RY of BMG. And it is the norm for many from BMG.

  • #967429

    Schmendrick is obviously joking or tee-rolling (or treading a fine line between the two).

    Schmendrick is the name of a loser character in a Yiddish play, and it entered Yinglish (the old language of the Lower East Side more than today’s yeshivisher raid or Chassidish Aynglish-Lipa loshon) as yet another term for an incompetent jerk.

    I have a friend and a former business associate whose names are the same, both beginning with a Sh. As my associate was, well, a schmendrick, I changed said associate’s first name to Schmendrick in my cell phone book so I would not inadvertently take his calls or pass up on my friend’s calls. (I still had to call him a couple of times to collect past due monies that he was holding before I changed my number and moved on.)

    I also refer to a certain failed blogger as Schmendrick, even fooling people into believing that in Chernovitz, where my roots are, Schmendrick was the common nickname for Shmarya (vehamayvin yavin as to who I mean).

  • #967430

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    “a certain failed blogger”

    lol

  • #967431

    No one who has a smartphone is less than smart enough to refer to it as smart phone.

    The Teeroller Chassidim are out in full force today. I guess they think there won’t be anywhere to troll tomorrow. Believing that is only a little less krum than what some Teerollers do profess to believe.

  • #967432

    shmendrick
    Member

    Josh31 “A man who messes things up, always loses and feels miserable. An unfortunate. Closely related to Schlemazel and Schlemiell….If you do any learning change your posting name!!!”

    This is a perfect example of the clash between Torah views and secular attitudes. Avrohom, Moshe and Dovid said about themselves that they are Dust, Earth, Ash. I am not on such a madreiga to consider myself like that, but I feel I can be called a “loser, miserable and unfortunate”. That is a level that secular thinking cannot adopt.

    Come join the bais medrash and shtyg a few days and you will start thinking with daas Torah.

  • #967433

    shmendrick
    Member

    Health – you seemed to have guessed who I am, yes, related to RY. Now you can speal with more derech eretz.

  • #967434

    Health
    Participant

    shmendrick -“Health – you seemed to have guessed who I am, yes, related to RY. Now you can speal with more derech eretz.”

    Why do you think I was talking about you? I was actually refering to ZDad. I don’t know who you are, nor do I care to, unless you want to give me some money for straightening you out here in the CR.

  • #967435

    ShiraTobala
    Member

    I heard that there are MO people living in Lakewood

  • #967436

    Maybe try deal!!!!

  • #967437

    BalabustaInDaHouse
    Participant

    Look into Chestnut. It is a beautiful neighborhood in Lakewood that has a Flatbush-like crowd. It is not yeshivish at all and you get to enjoy all the perks of Lakewood without dealing with the “Lakewoodness”. It is a friendly neighborhood, cheap houses and the cost of living is relatively low, compared to other Jewish communities. Been living here in Chestnut for a few years and I am very happy here. Oh- and it’s not a developement!

  • #967438

    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    dont know if these places have jews or not but look into Medford, Levittown, and Howell

  • #967439

    frumgirl93
    Member

    i agree with thepurpleone- definitley look into edison/highland park. it is such a wonderful growing community

  • #967440

    Geordie613
    Participant

    London!! It’s only exactly 3500 miles away.

  • #967441

    rebdoniel
    Member

    There are lots of places with an Orthodox shul, an eruv, and maybe a mikvah in our region. There are only a few actual substantial communities with adequate conveniences.

  • #967442

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    If it doesnt have at least 3 Pizza Stores and a chinese take out then it doesnt count as a jewish community

  • #967443

    “There are lots of places with an Orthodox shul, an eruv, and maybe a mikvah in our region. There are only a few actual substantial communities with adequate conveniences.”

    First of all, any community that has an Orthodox shul, an eruv, and “maybe a mikvah” has its priorities seriously mixed up. Building a mikvah should be top of the list according to the Gemara.

    Second of all, I’m curious: what is your idea of “adequate conveniences”?

  • #967444

    yehudayona
    Participant

    RD’s “our region” is the New York metropolitan area where there are many communities in fairly close proximity. It’s possible to use a mikvah in a nearby community.

  • #967445

    rebdoniel
    Member

    There are communities that have a Young Israel or Habad or other Orthodox shul that have certainly gone through the extent of building a shul building but not a mikvah (contra the halakha that a mikvah takes precedence). There are places in NJ and also Long Island that have a shul and even an eruv but no mikvah, but a person could drive to a mikvah within a reasonable distance, as Yehuda Yona stated.

  • #967446

    rebdoniel
    Member

    There are communities that have a Young Israel or Habad or other Orthodox shul that have certainly gone through the extent of building a shul building but not a mikvah (contra the halakha that a mikvah takes precedence). There are places in NJ and also Long Island that have a shul and even an eruv but no mikvah, but a person could drive to a mikvah within a reasonable distance, as Yehuda Yona stated.

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