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He’s not Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.
He wants to force Jewish bakers to bake cakes for Nazi events.
I am seriously, seriously considering it.
Neither is the Green Party candidate.
1. Gary Johnson (former Republican governor of New Mexico) and his running mate William Weld (former Republican Governor of Massachusetts, who dabbled in New York politics) have respectable records, and the Libertarians might get more votes than ever this year, but they aren’t in any way close enough to win. This means all they will do is draw enough votes away from the Republicans to guarantee that Clinton will win (similar to how Ralph Neder drew enough votes from Gore-Lieberman in 2000 to elect Bush-Cheney, something Nader’s supporters afterwards were quite unhappy about).
2. If you truely believe that Clinton is no better than Trump, fell free to cast a protest vote for the Libertarians.
Akuperma, his name is Ralph Nader. I do not think that he made a neder.
Personally I’m torn between voting for Gary Johnson, writing in Paul Ryan, or fleeing the country.
Don’t worry. Either the Democrat or Republican candidate will win. Only. Voting for anyone else, Green or Libertarian or other third party or not voting at all, is all the same.
RebYidd, in general I agree with you. But in Florida in 2000, every vote mattered.
“Voting for a candidate other than the one you believe to be best suited for the position is dishonest.”
… Assuming you limit your selection from among the candidates that have a realistic chance at winning the electoral college.
Johnson has said that he wants to cut the military budget by 43% and to end all foreign aid including aid to Israel.
charlie: Don’t you agree with hugely slashing the military budget?
“We can’t have a Jewish president.”
Why not? Other countries have had Jewish heads of state and/or heads of government.
“Don’t you agree with hugely slashing the military budget?”
No. It should be pointed out in fairness to Johnson that his current campaign web site does not mention a number to cut, and it also doesn’t contain the old libertarian meme of ending all foreign aid (including aid to Israel).
The problem is that it will be impossible to get Congress to agree to cut the things that could safely be cut (like the F-35 program — even Bernie Sanders supports it). In addition there are investments that we need to preserve: We really don’t need another aircraft carrier fight now, but were we to close the Newport News Shipyard, we would never be able to build another one because we would disperse all the talented engineers and shipyard workers to other careers.
With the Democrats and Republicans both moving towards isolationism, the Libertarians isolationism won’t mean much. The neo-cons have lost (good news for Putin, China, ISIS and Iran, bad news for Israel, Ukraine, Poland, Philippines and South Korea, among others). Even if Hilary tried to preserve the policies of the Obama era (which she made as Secretary of State, and were not exactly oriented towards a muscular foreign policy) her own party appears closer to the Sanders isolationism and opposition to Defense spending. It will probably take something shocking such as the destruction of a major ally (Israel, Poland, or Korea are the most likely to be sacrificed) to make American want to be strong again.
“With the Democrats and Republicans both moving towards isolationism”
The Republicans indeed are — see Trump’s absolutely awful isolationist foreign policy advisers — but the Democrats are about to nominate the most interventionist candidate since Lyndon Johnson. Her foreign policy is basically neocon and that is bad news for Putin, China, Daesh, and Iran, and good news for Israel, Ukraine, Poland, Philippines, and South Korea. While Secretary of State, she was very aggressive in pushing for US intervention both in the Middle East (see Libya) and in the Western Pacific to counter China. The Republicans have gone off their rockers by whining about the loss of FOUR Americans in Libya when they were responsible for the loss of thousands of Americans in Iraq! The Republicans are returning to their 1920s/1930s roots and that is not a good thing.
Rebyidd, there is no religious test for public office in the US. In fact, Joe Lieberman came very close to becoming VP in 2000.
Charlie, isolationism might be good for the Jews this time. The US uses its “aid” to Israel as a bludgeon. Moreover, he will not pressure Israel on settlements. In fact, he said in an interview with the London Daily Mail that Israel should “keep going” and “keep moving forward” with settlements. No surprise as his adviser on Israel heads the American Friends of the Bet-el Yeshiva.
“We can’t have a Jewish president.”
Not that we can’t, as in it isn’t possible. Of course we can. We (or you Americans) should not have a Jewish President. It would mean disaster for Israel-US relations as s/he would over compensate to the Arabs etc to show s/he is not showing favouritism to Israel.
I can’t comment on US history, but Tony Blair’s government was the most pro-Israel in recent times, as there were no Jews at all in the cabinet.
Charliehall:
Hillary may have been intervention-oriented in the past but she won her nomination (if she does) by the narrowest of margins, largely due to the un-democratic (small “d”) inclusion of super-delegates designed to thwart the will of the voters. And the one who almost beat her is super-isolationist, which shows which way the winds are blowing in the Democratic party. And of course, no one knows what Hillary believes since her views seem to switch every new poll (remember the Clintons were originally “conservative” Democrats, at least until they were elected).
From independendentpoliticalreport. com
“During the first hour of the Libertarian Party presidential forum that aired Friday night on the Fox Business Network, leading Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson admitted that in his view, Jewish bakers should be forced by government to bake wedding cakes for Nazis.
The second hour of the forum will air next week on the Fox Business Network.”
Sam,
Why would nazis go to Jewish bakers?
CA, maybe they have the best prices. Maybe the Nazis get their kicks that way.
They get their kicks on supporting a Jewish business?
Then if they’re nazis, they’re crazy nazis and I would say you can sell the cake to them
CA, they get their kicks forcing Jews to bake cakes for their events. All Nazis are crazy. It is a tautology.In any case, this is only a paradigm. The general question is the right of religious people to refrain from participating in toeva “weddings”.
ca: You can’t imagine Nazis asking Jews to bake swastika-shaped cakes for fun? I definitely can.
Sam,
You know, I never thought of that
“Tony Blair’s government was the most pro-Israel in recent times, as there were no Jews at all in the cabinet. “
David Miliband is Jewish and served Blair first as his #1 policy advisor and later in the cabinet.
“she won her nomination (if she does) by the narrowest of margins”
She got three million more votes than Sanders. Obama only won the 2012 general election by five million votes over Romney. No superdelegates and she still wins big. In fact it is Sanders who is calling for superdelegates to ignore the clear will of primary voters.
“make American want to be strong again”
Militarily, the US is stronger than every country in the world combined. For example, we have ten modern aircraft carriers. The entire rest of the world has exactly one (France, whose aircraft carrier carries roughly half the number of aircraft as ours). We are the only country in the world that can project military power anywhere in the world.
Economically we are also stronger than ever.
That was an argument used against civil rights acts back in the 1960s. Had we accepted that argument, we would still have Judenrein law firms, Judenrein hospitals, Judenrein suburbs, Jewish quotas in universities, and KKK members being able to justify acting on their anti-Semitism and racism based on their sincerely held Christian beliefs. Fortunately we did not follow that argument.
I think that 2012 Green Party nominee Jill Stein is a Jew. She is the likely 2016 nominee as well.
Charlie, you are simply ignorant of the facts regarding Jim Crow. It was enshrined in state and local law and enforced by terrorist and semi-terrorist organizations such as the KKK and WCC. Thus, there was no free market.
“Jim Crow” (as well as slavery) were the result of state action. Under the English common law (applicable to all states except Louisiana), discrimination was prohibited since someone in business had a duty to serve the entire public. The legislature needed to authorize or mandate discrimination. Similarly slavery was banned in England absent a statute authorizing it (which Parliament refused to pass, which is why in the English quivalent of “Dred Scott”, a slave from America who had been brought to English was declared free by virtue of the fact he was in England). In the United States, the Civil rights law simply preempted the states’ preemption of common law. How important the civil rights law was in ending discrimination against Jews is questionable since by 1964 most (non-Jewish) Americans already regarded anti-semitism as being very un-American (since in all fairness, Hitler gave anti-semitism a bad name among Americans, and religious discrimination was always regarded as un-American going back to the Revolution).
Akuperma, maybe it’s a chicken-and-egg issue but I think that cultural assimilation played a big role in the lessening of anti-Semitism in America. Even the Nativists did not generally espouse racial theories regarding different European peoples but feared the introduction of non-Anglo-Saxon cultural and political values. Anti-Semites did not want to hire or live among Jews because they perceived us as having negative, or at least different, personal characteristics and cultural values.When Jews became Americanized that changed.
“David Miliband is Jewish and served Blair first as his #1 policy advisor and later in the cabinet.”
Charliehall, I stand corrected. To be fair, that was at the end of Blair’s premiership, and Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is hardly a senior cabinet position. He only became Foreign secretary under Gordon Brown.
I think my point still stands, that Jews in government is not a positive thing.
@RebYidd23 she is jewish
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