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  • #607779
    blackhatwannabe
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    Is it chukas ha’goy to get down on one knee in a marriage proposal?

    #919000
    popa_bar_abba
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    It is chukas hagoy to get married.

    #919001
    Patri
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    I don’t know of it technically qualifies as chukas hagoyim, but it certainly is a very unjewish thing to do. Quite ekeldik.

    #919002
    OneOfMany
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    Patri: Is that so? You didn’t seem to mind when your wife did it…

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/will-you-marry-me#post-259908

    #919003
    akuperma
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    It involves numerous problems, and I seriously doubt an Orthodox rabbi of any flavor would say it is mutar. If you are looking for a heter, look for one who is not familiar with American goyish customs so he might not be aware of the halachic objections. It is probable that a “modern Orthodox” rabbi, being better informed, would object more strongly.

    #919004
    Curiosity
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    Easy, just pretend to tie your shoe right before you propose! Or go down on both knees so it’s done with a shinui.

    #919005

    Genuflection (or genuflexion), bending at least one knee to the ground, a gesture of deep respect for a superior. Lay people or clergy of lesser rank genuflect to a prelate and kiss his episcopal ring, as a sign of acceptance of the bishop’s apostolic authority as representing Christ in the local church.

    Genuflecting before the bishop of the diocese to which one belongs was treated as obligatory in editions of the Caeremoniale Episcoporum earlier than that of 1985.

    In the same period, the clergy genuflected when passing before the bishop of the diocese when he presides at a liturgical ceremony. But the officiating priest, as also all prelates, canons, etc., were dispensed, and substituted a bow of the head and shoulders for the genuflection.

    Genuflection to the Blessed Sacrament, especially when arriving or leaving its presence, is a practice in the Anglican Communion, the Latin Rite Catholic Church, and the Lutheran Church.

    (Wikipedia)

    #919006
    Sam2
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    It’s Vadai an Issur D’Oraisa of Chukas Hagoyim, regardless of how cute the guy or girl thinks it is.

    #919007
    uneeq
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    I proposed with a made up song on the guitar, so I didn’t have to get on one knee. The end of the song was the proposal.

    #919008

    One needn’t and shouldnt get on their knee regardless of how (or if) he proposes.

    #919009
    WolfishMusings
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    Easy, just pretend to tie your shoe right before you propose! Or go down on both knees so it’s done with a shinui.

    Heh.

    When Eeees and I were dating, I was standing in her kitchen one day while she was looking in the refrigerator for something. I told her I needed to ask her something. At the same time, I had got down on one knee… to tie my shoe. She turned around and thought I was going to propose to her… something I had no intention of doing at that time. It did not occur to me that she might even think that — until afterwards, of course.

    (Not that it really mattered — we both knew at that point that it wasn’t a question of “if” we were going to get married, but “when.”)

    When I did propose, I did not get down on one knee.

    The Wolf

    #919010

    The widely accepted ruling is that it is not to be done. However, some people still do it anyway. This doesn’t make it any better.

    #1315524
    Joseph
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    Even without being on one’s knee, the very idea of the guy proposing with the verbiage “Will you marry me” itself comes from the goyim.

    #1315536
    👑RebYidd23
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    “Will you marry me” is the simplest way to put the question. And the question needs to be asked. Otherwise you won’t get an answer.

    #1315548
    Joseph
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    I hear. But to davka use that specific verbiage rather than anything else because of societies fondness of it, is where my point is applicable to.

    Obviously this isn’t the same aveira as c’v actually getting on the knee.

    #1315554
    Meno
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    “Will you marry me” is the simplest way to put the question

    What’s wrong with “So nu?”

    #1315682
    Nechomah
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    Meno, that’s truly funny!!! I can just picture the kallah talking to her friends and one of them asking her, “So how did he propose?” “Um……

    #1315710
    jakob
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    curious

    bending down on both knees is worse then proposing on kne knee, as sitting or bending/folding both knees is like bowing down to avoda zara

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