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  • #1094664
    ubiquitin
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    mw13

    “2) Although the Torah is indeed referred to as shira, song still does not have any inherent importance. Life and peace do.”

    Thats silly. Shira is clearly has inherent importance the Torah is called sirah as mentioned.I’m sure we can find several mamrei chazal extolling the virtues of shira. should I bother?

    3) None of those names, as far as I know, are common in other societies. So it would be hard to say that they stem from outside influences. But for all I know, maybe R’ Chaim would say some of those names (especially the animal ones) would indeed be problematic.

    I doubt it the the Shagas Aryeh, beis halevi, Rav Shach, the bal hatanya had some of those names. Its possible he’d say they didny have proper names, but somehow I doubt it.

    Incidently his daughter is bracha, which ist a name in tanach. But im wiilling to bet that “blessing” is inherently important. right?

    #1094665
    mw13
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    SL, take a chill pill. Just because people are questioning your opinion is no reason to start spewing insults and accusations. Disagreement is fine, but civility is a must. You cannot denigrate others just because they disagree with you.

    Also, I might add that insults and accusations don’t make particularity convincing arguments.

    #1094666
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    what are you talking about? i was joking around and joseph/you got bent out of shape. denigrate others? spew insults? which part, the DUH part or saying someone is nuts? cute…

    I think you may want to take a few deep breaths…

    #1094667
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Joseph – do females eat thursday night chulent?

    *shudder*

    #1094668
    Joseph
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    That’s more of a question for my alter ego…

    #1094669
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    i try to be respectful and answer each to his own.

    #1094670
    Happy Go Lucky!!
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    Gosh!!! It’s a mere coupla days after Tisha b’Av.

    I ask everyone Mechilah from the other…

    #1094671
    Joseph
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    My alter ego is mochel me.

    #1094672
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    which one? Shira?

    #1094673
    mw13
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    DY:

    Mw13: I would imagine that this was the basis for R’ Dovid Feinstein’s psak as well.

    Yes, that was my understanding, as I heard from the rav of the shul. I agree with your assessment of the issue.

    That’s reassuring; assuming the nature of a psak is somewhat of a risk.

    ubiquitin:

    2) Are you really trying to tell me that you thing song is inherently important?

    3) I think you may have missed the main thrust of that segment: None of those names, as far as I know, are common in other societies. So it would be hard to say that they stem from outside influences.

    But anyway, as I pointed out in my original post on the subject, I take all of these explanations to R’ Chaim’s opposition to the name Shira with a grain of salt. For all we know, the true reason could be something totally different from all of them.

    SL, don’t worry I am certainly not “bent out of shape”. I just thought something had to be said about the direction these threads keep taking, so I said something. I hope you didn’t take it the wrong way.

    Happy Go Lucky, I do appreciate your attempts to be rodef shalom.

    #1094674
    ubiquitin
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    mw13

    “inherently important” is subjective. Yes I cna find you mamrei chazal and pesukim extholing the virtues of “shira” that makes it inherently important in my book.

    Do you think Simcha is inherently important? Whata bout Bracha? what about Aryeh?

    i’m not sure how you determine “inherently important” If the Torah is called “shira” that seems pretty important to me

    “For all we know, the true reason could be something totally different from all of them”

    Agreed. but your comment doesnt make sense

    #1094675
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    mw13 – i missed that earlier post of yours, by the way, and hadn’t seen it til now. i guess you thought i was responding to it but i wasn’t. i was calling you “nuts” because you/joseph were asking me if i was “making assumptions” which was just to chepper me (referencing that old dialogue) and i had a choice to take it seriously and ignore it, or take it in jest and respond so.

    in the spirit of continuing the conversation, tho, you answered yourself really. the same way Rav Chaim “saw” shulamis, he also “sees” shira.

    #1094676

    What about a girl born on shabbos shira and given that name?

    #1094678
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I don’t think R’ Chaim asks if she was born on Shabbos Shirah and makes an exception in that case. He holds, for some reason, that it’s not a name.

    It’s very difficult to understand, because pashtus, there’s no such thing as a name not being a name; if this is what the father named her, even if nobody ever gave that name previously, it should be considered a name. This is how names in Tanach originated, and nobody I’ve spoken to has a mekor for an end date for new names. I don’t know of anyone else who holds this way.

    #1094679

    He doesn’t have to ask, he knows what he is talking about. Whether or not others hold of it doesn’t change anything.

    #1094680
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I think you’re assuming some level of ruach hakodesh which he may or may not have.

    True, what others hold doesn’t affect what he holds. That wasn’t my point.

    #1094681

    I think you are under estimating Reb Chaim.

    #1094682
    benignuman
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    mw13,

    Many societies have names that mean life (e.g. Vivian, Ankur) or lion (e.g. Abbas, Osama) or deer (e.g. Fawn, Oscar, Darby) or bear (e.g. Orson, Bernard, Arthur, Bjorn).

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