September 4, 2017 7:23 am at 7:23 am #1353976
Global Warming is a natural occurrence not caused by man-made activities. This fact doesn’t change even though the liberals fight heavily to suppress scientists who state as much.September 5, 2017 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #1356057
Wow, well over 36 hours after the OP factually stating that Global Warming is not man-made, and we haven’t a single opposing voice non-factually claiming that it is man-made.
As the most seasoned coffee roomer in the annals of this coffee room history, I can now hereby declare with great authority that this is the single longest OP, other than baking, recipes and other non-controversial discussions, to have gone on without any disagreement.September 6, 2017 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1356176
That’s because it was more fun to make a new topic to disagree.September 6, 2017 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #1356847
Non-factual claims that humans cause Global Warming isn’t a matter of fun and games.September 6, 2017 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1356861
Everything is.September 12, 2017 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1362204
And why couldn’t global warming be caused by people? If you dropped four nuclear missiles on the planet Earth, would that not cause global climate change? We DO have some control. We have polluted untold lakes and rivers. There are a number of cities in the world in which it is dangerous to breathe, the worst being Beijing. Humans have more power than wee can handle.September 12, 2017 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1362289
If you dropped four nuclear missiles on the planet Earth, would that not cause global climate change?
Probably notSeptember 12, 2017 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1362295
Humans do affect climate/weather, and that is beyond doubt since it can be observed without needing to fudge data (e.g. compare the temperatures in Lakewood and Monsey to Manhattan and Philadelphia – cites are warmer, which is people of all types prefer to “go away to the country”).
The issue is how much of climate variability is natural and how much is due to humans (and in particular, due to industrialization). The climate alarmists like to assume that the 1600-1700s were normal, but there is strong evidence that was one of the coldest periods in human history (sort of like looking at February and freaking out since it is warmed in August). While thermometers were invented only a few centuries ago, there are records of what rivers frozen and when, and what crops grew where – and these suggest the medieval period (time of the Rishonim) was even warmer than today. Similarly the “classical age” (period of Bayis Sheini) was warmer than the period that followed.
If the goyim’s scientists are to be believed, Long Island Sound used to be dry land, and it used to be possible to walk from England to France, or from Siberia to Alaska, without getting your feet wet – and all those changes did not involve humans messing with the climate.
So the question isn’t so much “do you believe in global warming” but rather do you believe that the primary cause is human activities, since if not, there is nothing the government can or could do about it. This doesn’t address the question as to whether global warming is good or bad, though given the large number of climate refugees fleeing to Florida every winter, I tend to think that warmer would a good thing.September 12, 2017 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1362302
Probably <i><b>not<b><i>?? Haven’t you ever heard of nuclear winter?!? The debris from the explosions would cause a covering over the sky that would last a long time. Or so they say.September 12, 2017 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1362304
I hear you. Those are good points. But there’s no question that pollution causes damage to the Earth. That’s why I think that the world should stop talking about such a politically charged yerm as “global warming,” and talk about pollution. THAT’S the real problem!September 12, 2017 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1362314
According to Wikipedia:
“Climate models suggest that the ignition of 100 firestorms, each comparable in intensity to that observed in Hiroshima in 1945, could produce a “small” nuclear winter…the cumulative products of 100 of these firestorms could cool the global climate by approximately 1 °C (1.8 °F), largely eliminating the magnitude of anthropogenic global warming for two to three years.”
So yeah, I’d say probably not.September 12, 2017 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1362322
🐈 Rand0m3x 🐈Participant
What’s a “yerm?”
(Meno beat me to the Wiki-punch.)September 12, 2017 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1362330
A full scale war would involve thousands of nuclear devices, each one being perhaps hundreds of times more powerful than what were used in World War II. There is no way to model what would happen but the realization that the losing side could simply fire all its weapons and destroy the world (and in effect, prevent the winner from occupying the loser’s territory) was what made “mutually assured destruction” so effective.
There other ways to induce such a “winter”, weather as a means of deliberate destruction, or a misguided attempt to reverse global warming. Please note that in the past, “warm” has generally been good (probably since the longer growing season is good for food supply).September 14, 2017 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1363703
GoldilocksSeptember 14, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1363778
People don’t cause climate change guns I mean pollution causes climate change.September 15, 2017 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1364402
global warming is an extremely brilliant and successful scandal making billions of dollars by tampering with data hiding cold from the past. changing colder years and saying they were warmer. greenland ice is supposed to rapidly be melting. barely a word that the greenland ice sheet has gained ice for the first time in an extremely long time barely a word that in the peak of summer greenland summit camp had a temperature of -27 degrees. the arctic was supposed to be ice free several years ago. its still filled with ice and is nowhere NEAR empty. so why is the world warmer now. several possiblities. which i wont go into now but long term amo/pdo is expected to reverse and go negative soon. i think after that happens there will probably be some global cooling. but you prob wont hear about it because some corrupt climate scientist is going to change data and make it look like it never happened. what everypne will know is the arctic sea ice will probably go back to average.September 15, 2017 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1364405
dr tim ball a climate change denier is being sued and threatened for denying climate change why? they cant answer his questions so they are trying desperately to stop him.September 15, 2017 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #1364432
Anyone can sue anyone for anything. There has to be a someone, not a “they”.September 16, 2017 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #1364880
If it’s not man made, why do the fish die?September 17, 2017 6:50 am at 6:50 am #1364926
humans are polluting water and the air but to say changing climate. no way. why are they hiding the greenland ice gain and overrating heat waves? why are they manipulating data to make it look warmer? why do they make the past 1000 years look like temps were basically same when theres proof its been much warmer then much colder? why are there so many great meterologists against it?September 17, 2017 6:50 am at 6:50 am #1364927
there was about a 30 year cooling period between 1945 and 1975. (by now scientists erased it and made it look like it never happened) but during that time scientists said humans are causing cooling by burning fossil fuels which releases white particles (smog) into the atmosphere which blocks out the suns heat and that the world is heading into an ice age. they started warning of mass starvation and death by 2020. that fell apart once there was some warming so they quickly blamed the warming on man.September 17, 2017 6:50 am at 6:50 am #1364928
The question is not if climate change is man made, of course it I. We use more fossil fuel in the last 75 years than we have for 1000 years. We’ve sucked and burned so much oil and coal, it’s unimaginable.
The real question is can we stop it. That we won’t know unless we try.September 17, 2017 6:50 am at 6:50 am #1364929
Where is our bitachon why do we all think we know the reason for everything going on hashem is 100 percent in control enough said!!!!!!!!!!!September 17, 2017 8:44 am at 8:44 am #1364976
Freddyfish, don’t you believe Hashem is in control of smaller things also, like within each household? Yet people make decisions about how to run their households.September 17, 2017 10:50 am at 10:50 am #1365101
chasid u really believe that hashem created the world with such an obvious flaw? reb avigdor miller said hashem created the world fool proof. to belive that hashem created the world with such an obvious flaw is apikursis.September 18, 2017 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1366466
Why? We know the human body is incredibly fragile. Why is the world any different?September 18, 2017 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1366598
it says in tehhilim hashmayim shamayim lhashem hashem runs the storms and all weather hashem created these fossil fuels also u really think hashem would create these stuff if they would destroy the world. besides for the fact theres so much proof that its not true . some of the greatest metorologists say that its not true john coleman founder of the weather channel doesnt believe in global warming joe bastardi chief meteorologist of weatherbell is extremely against it and the list could keep going.September 18, 2017 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #1366603
I bet you’re a Republican.September 18, 2017 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #1366618
R C, Hashem created the human body, yet a simple piece of metal can end it.September 19, 2017 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #1366989
Akuperma, The so called Little Ice Age began about the 1100s of the Common era and by the late 129th early 20th century we were coming out of it. As an idea of the conditions, in the winter of 1763 (or 1768) New York Harbor froze solid enough that a person could walk from Manhattan to Staten Island.September 19, 2017 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1367493
wait so u poeple who believe in global warming dont believe hashem controls the weather?September 19, 2017 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1367494
its such a lie theres been scientists caught straight out manipulating data to get more funding. since we have one of the greatest presidents ever he sees sense and is cutting all funding for theses poeple. good work trumpSeptember 19, 2017 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #1367496
this scam is almost going to be proven wrong the world is about to start cooling we are entering a period of very low solar activity the amo/pdo is going to go negative the greenland ice sheet is expanding arctic sea ice is growing. i have so much proof noaa and nasa are lying.September 19, 2017 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #1367499
if algore really cared about climate change he wouldnt go flying around in a giant private jetSeptember 20, 2017 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1367866
The reason Republicans don’t believe that human activity is linked to climate change is because many of their major donors are the ones from the fossil fuel companies. If they were to say that human activity is linked to climate change, they would immediately lose millions of dollars in campaign donations.
Deep down, they know it’s true.
How about when smoking was linked to lung cancer, there were people who said that the two had nothing to do with each other. What’s the difference between the two?September 20, 2017 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #1367877
What’s the difference between the two?
Is that a rhetorical question? Because I can think of at least one difference.September 20, 2017 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1367888
Meno, of course there are differences between climate change and smoking.
What I meant is, what’s the difference between fossil fuel companies saying that their products do no harm to the environment, and cigarette companies saying their products do no harm to the lungs.September 20, 2017 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1367892
cheif shmerel go find me proof to man made climate change. there is ZERO proof. so u wont be able to find any. i can bring u tons of proof that noaa and nasa are lying and manipulating data.September 20, 2017 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1367894
within a few years man made global warming will be gone totally proven wrong with no way to continue saying it even with all the fake data and fake climate graphs.September 20, 2017 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1367897
cgeifshmerel do u believe global warming caused sandy katrina irma and maria?September 20, 2017 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #1367898
He did bring proof: The fossil fuel companies say its false, so it must be true.September 20, 2017 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1367899
to chiefshmerel: The harm clearly done by fossil fuels is various forms of pollution, and they took steps to fix it once it was realized what the cause of (that’s why we no longer have people dropping dead in the streets for toxic smog, which was often the case a century ago). Whether fossil fuels significantly cause temperatures to rise a debateable, along with whether a rising temperature is such a bad thing (e.g. growing seasons, less snow and ice, etc.). One should also remember that without fossil fuels we would be cold in winter, hot in summer, unable to travel long distances, commuting would again be done by walking, and our choice of goods would be sharply limited. Like it or not, fossil fuels is why our quality of life is higher than it was as recently as two centuries ago and if the price to pay is giving up March and November snowfalls, that seems reasonable.
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