Gog umagog

That’s old news. Are you really claiming to have just found out about that sicha or just a smooth way introduce it to this forum?

I think the OP is not trying to state the obvious but to hear different sides of the subject. Without yet checking what the Rebbe says (although I intend to,) I think the proper approach is to realise that every negative prophecy may happen, but can change for the positive if we do Teshuvah.
Yirmiyahu 18, 7: One instant I may speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to uproot and to demolish and to destroy. 8. And when that nation repents of its evil for which I spoke concerning it, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to it.

Shlucha- either you are really naive or just pretending not to have heard of these things so that others will accept it. I’m sure you heard all of these ideas since it is basic chabad talk.
“Also I’ve heard the holocaust being referred to as chevlei moshiach, could that be gog umagog too?”
-I wonder where you happened to “hear” that since that is a chabad opinion. It also happens to be a very “clear” opinion. You also mention jacobson who is a chabad Rabbi so that pretty much strengthens the fact that you are spreading around chabad views of the matter. I have no problem with it but why act as if you “happened” to hear something when it’s obvious all these ideas come from within your own derech.
Regarding that opinion I also urge to check what the Ben Ish Chai had to say about it. I think there was a similar view actually.
Also aren’t gog and Magog actual Kings that will fight one another?
Let’s say the current events unfolding are as if Trump (EDOM) tries to get a piece of Jerusalem, do you think everything will happen this quietly and no big wars? Also isn’t gog to be killed and buried in Israel?

Also, the Baba Sali used to predict every war in eretz Yisrael. One year, he predicted a war but it never happened. Surprised, his followers asked what had happened. He responded, how was I to know that the Lubavitcher Rebbe would come out with mivtza ois bsefer Torah and thereby push the war into Lebanon?

He could have predicted it.

Over the limit again.

A Couple of Reminders From Your Friendly Moderators…

@shlucha-I will ignore bituls comment since he should first consider curbing his own attacks which were quite clearly displayed on other threads where even moderators had to step in and warn him about attacking Gedolim.
I’m not out to attack lubavitch at all. There are just certain attitudes that sometimes need to be addressed. Btw did you only start learning hayom Yom? You seem too educated to skip a basic daily learning.
In general I know that from conversations I’ve had or heard with lubavitchers, they will sometimes toss up a subject and pretend they just heard about it in order for others to sort of accept what they have to say, rather then doing it in a way as if they are coming to teach you. If you want to know why I am upset at certain things you can read my previous comment/threads, look at articles on col including their hateful comments which get approved much easier than on YWN, or hear daily talk in crown heights.

And that’s all well and good that you only stay within your own mindset, except for the fact that you get offended if/when other dont mention chabad sources, claim that it proves everyone hates you, non stop bashing of others/misnagdim by your farbrengens and shabbos tables as if it’s a mitzvah to do so, and use the fact that others were happy for rubashkin being released as a “proof” that everyone needs chabad. Why always make everything about yourself is my question? There is no other yiddishe group that does that. And why all the hypocrisy? For example even the menorah in 770 by the chazan had round branches in the earlier years and there are pics and videos. So why campaign against everyone as if it’s the difference between eating kosher or treif? Can you not understand there are 70 panim l’Torah and Elu v’Elu divrei Eloikim Chaim! I am not trying to attack or stir anything I wish there would be complete achdus that is why I care so much. But how could there if you separate yourselves from klal yisroel, believe that your way is the right way (which is fine) but also the ONLY way for everyone else as well. And please don’t try to convince me otherwise since I speak from experience and I also pointed many things out on previous comments

The holocaust didn’t result in much teshuva in fact many people went off.
Ours is a very weak generation and we need positive reinforcement.

You make it sound like the Ribbono shel Olam needs
a lesson in how to be mechanech this generation…

@Bitul- You know what old friend, you really need to read my comments rather then scan them and then rant on and on. Firstly, what argument should I have against lubavitch gog u’magog? I dont need an “argument” just open up a Tanach and youll get your answer, besides for the fact that I already mentioned that source in my previous comments.
“I spoke to a few friends who were in crown heights for Chanukah and they all told me that the menorah in 770 was straight, so either you’re just trying to spread false propaganda”
-False propaganda? This clearly shows you have no intellectual understanding on what the argument was even about. Who was talking about the PRESENT DAY menorah in 770 ? Its clear as day that they use a straight branch menorah. Noone disputes that. Show me once where I mentioned 770 menorah present day!
“or you didn’t notice the second menorah which was straight”
-What second menorah? Have you ever even been to 770!Menorah for those whos minhag is curved? lol cute.
I was referring to the EARLIER years where the menorah had curved branches and check COL recent article “Recording of the Rebbe crying” link removed and you will see the menorah by the amud was clearly not straight, rather ROUND branches. And later years it became 90 degree angle including the chanukah menorah, and then became straight branches. So you, my friend, are the false accuser.

Btw thanks for the heads up for long comments, didnt know you were part of the moderator team. And no, mods didnt warn me they just rightfully and respectfully asked me to tone it down, and I’m sure many of them agree with me which is why I have many comments posted. (look I put a double space in there just for you)

Remember in Mitzrayim one out of five went out – let’s work on being Zoche

@daasyochid the Rebbe came out with the campaign only after his prediction

He could have predicted the Rebbe’s campaign.

@DaasYochid ☕
– The only way for a nation and its people to stay truly free is to have two sides of the media voicing their opinions. It keeps the land in a balance. I am not a Trump hater but I am very aware of many alarming things hes said or has displayed. Once a leader achieves one part of the media to be silenced, then propaganda is born. He’s already shown he has no problem retweeting anti semitic tweets such as the one at hillary clinton with the dollar bills in the background and Jewish star on top of it. Oh ya, it was a “sheriffs” star I forgot. And there are many other examples such as a campaign ad with nazi soldiers in the background(look it up). It was a “printing error”.
Also the free use of jewish stereotypical terms to a room full of Jews at the coalition. ” You wont vote for me because you like to control your politicians with your money?” Wow did he really say that?
Remember also that the Germans didnt “turn” in one day. It started with silencing the media, and then the propaganda, and ultimately final control of the country and its people. Just keep in mind that if ever someone spirals out of control, the right is always the more dangerous side. Even in Germany didnt many Jews enthusiastically vote for the new “leader”? Again, not comparing chas V’Shalom, just reminding to keep alert and remember the Government quickly forget about anyone they dont need anymore. Check the warning in Pirkei Avos.

Gog and magog could be whatever war is happening at any given time. Moshiach could come every day. Achakloi bchol Yom sheyovoi.On election day I voted for Moshiach because he’s good for the Jews. How about this, instead of people Hocking a tchynik about goig and magoig, we should be focused on our machshavah dibbur and maaseh.

Litvisherchossid, do you really still think Trump is an antisemite?

Eliyahu Hanovi will come three days before Moshiach to announce his pending arrival. Obviously this will be after any necessary war, Gog uMogeg, etc. Thus logically it makes sense that that war could have occurred already (WWII?) and Eliyahu Hanovi can come any day now.

@daas- I didn’t say he is, just not sure how fond of us he really is.

We learned from the Gerrer Rebbes Sefer. Our teacher brought us in copies if multiple pages and we learned it,,,

Chabbad shlucha
“I also heard something fascinating -something like the number 424 (?) is related to Moshiach, and is the number Hashem will use to fight the war of moshiach. ..Donald trumps name is gematria that number ”

So is חצי מנה פלאפל . Felafel is the real tool that will bring Moshiach. Eat more felafel. Ideally Half a felafel, so you can have some to share and stay away from the clown-demon Donald Trump whose name is gematria שד לץ