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  • #1446878

    square root of 2
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    does anyone here know how to do the goral hagr”a?

    #1447030

    Joseph
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    Yes.

    #1447072

    Geordie613
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    I don’t remember which godol it was that I read about recently, but he said that the Goral haGra is only done for life & death decisions.

    #1447151

    Avi K
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    1.4142135623730950488…, you are being irrational. Only big talmidei chachamim can do the Goral haGra and get an answer. By definition they do not participate in the CR.

    #1447372

    yytz
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    Good one, Avi! 🙂

    #1447416

    Gadolhadorah
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    One really amazing outcome of a Goral ha/Gra was posted here in the CR about 7 years ago:

    One dramatic instance of the use of the Gra Goral was in the identification of the bodies of 12 members of the Lamed Heh (the Convoy of 35, with the Hebrew letters lamed and heh being equivalent to the numbers 30 and 5, respectively ). The 35 fighters, members of the Haganah pre-state militia, were killed in January 1948, during the War of Independence, at the foot of the Arab village of Tzurif, during their attempt to reach the Etzion Bloc of Jewish settlements, south of Jerusalem. The bodies of the fighters were mutilated by the Arab attackers who killed them, and only in 1951 were the corpses gathered. By that time, it was possible to identify only 23 of the bodies conclusively.

    The chief rabbi of Jerusalem at the time, Tzvi Pesach Frank, ruled that the identification of the remaining bodies would be determined by the Gra lottery, and the task was assigned to the revered Jerusalem sage Rabbi Aryeh Levin.

    The identification took place in Levin’s beit midrash, in the presence of representatives of the bereaved parents. Twelve candles were lit, the Bible was opened at random seven times and Rabbi Levin ruled that as they stood in front of the remains of each of the fallen fighters, the last verse on the page had to include the name, or an allusion to the name, of each of those whom they were trying to identify. “How amazed everyone was when one of the verses that first appeared was ‘The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein,’ a verse that [in Hebrew] begins with the word ‘to the Lord,’” which is abbreviated in Hebrew with the initials lamed-heh. “Moreover, to everyone’s amazement, every page spoke unequivocally. In the first verse they reached there was a specific name that clearly identified one of the fallen … One after the other … the identity of the fallen was determined.” (Quoted in “A Tzaddik in Our Time: The Life of Rabbi Aryeh Levin,” by Simcha Raz, who also provides the official minutes of the lottery. ) While a lottery was often used for private matters, here the lottery was conducted for the purpose of a decision of great public significance.”

    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/goral-hagra-what-do-you-know-about-it

    #1447497

    Some Common Sense
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    Yes, I do but I will not make public via this format.

    After you have finished Shas a few times, you can approach your Rebbi for this.

    #1448491

    So that’s what happens when you raw-link other threads…
    To see Some Common Sense’s post, highlight its text by
    starting from higher up, then copy and paste it.

    #1448522

    square root of 2
    Participant

    joseph, how?

    #1448548

    Joseph
    Participant

    Those who know don’t tell; those who tell don’t know.

    #1449431

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    In these matters, that should always be the case as the Re’ma states that you need to be over 40 and full of Shas and Halacha. Look it up.

    #1450267

    I don’t think the Goral haGRA is in the category of Kabbalah, Common Sense.

    #1528630

    square root of 2
    Participant

    what about a sheailas chalom? Anyone know how to do that?

    #1528664

    Takes2-2tango
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    January 11, 2018 9:30 am at 9:30 am#1447497
    Some Common SenseParticipant
    Yes, I do but I will not make public via this format.

    After you have finished Shas a few times, you can approach your Rebbi for this.
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    How do u know whether his rebbi finished shas a few times? Should the talmid ask him just to make sure?

    #1528765

    Midwest2
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    Kinderspiel. How many people are on the level of R’ Levin? I doubt if there are more than a handful of people now on the madrega to do the Goral HaGra. Certainly not anyone who takes time away from learning to post on the CR! Let’s stop with the mofes-stories and segulos. Learn, keep the mitzvos, and help other people. Leave the sensationalism to the secular media.

    #1529424

    Toi
    Participant

    I know for a fact that R’ Binyamin Elyashiv knows how to and has performed it.

    #1529561

    Midwest2
    Participant

    Toi – how do you know? You saw it? Someone you know personally saw it first hand? Or you just heard about it on the grapevine?

    #1529578

    Non Political
    Participant

    @ SCS
    “as the Re’ma states that you need to be over 40 and full of Shas and Halacha. Look it up.”

    You do know that The ARI and the RAMCHAL where both nifter before the age of 40 right?

    Also, isn’t the over 40 criteria from the SHACH?

    Also, why is the Gorel HaGRA being given the same criteria as the starting age for learning Kabala?

    #1529602

    lebidik yankel
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    the Goral HaGra is but a spin on an old, universally used custom, quoted in Birkei Yosef (on the side of the shulchan aruch) in Yoreh Deah kuf ayin tes (on the Shulchan Aruch) seif ches. Please look there for a most fascinating discussion. It is hard to believe that being a great person is a condition. Did Rav Aryeh Levine consider himself a great person?

    #1529606

    Toi
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    Midwest2- Do you think I would write that I know for a fact if I didn’t know for a fact?

    #1529603

    beee
    Participant

    basically, its turning pages in a tinach back and forth… that part is no secret but you need t be on a high level in order to get a legit answer.

    #1529615

    Git Meshige
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    Joseph , and those that hang out on the internet and claim to know a lofty subject as the Goral Hagrah is not to be believed either.

    #1530018

    K-cup
    Participant

    I know little about this subject. Is there a way to determine it was succesful/accurate? If not, how is it anything more than a mechanical process that anyone can perform?

    #1530663

    Midwest2
    Participant

    Toi – how do you know? First hand, second-hand, or over the internet. It makes a difference, because a lot of people don’t know the difference between “fact” and “I heard it at the kiddush club,” or “My cousin forwarded it to me.”

    #1530954

    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    The citation mentioned above does not exactly tell you how to do the Gorah HaGra. I have seen it first hand and it was not done by such people as Rav Ayrah Levine.

    #1531217

    Toi
    Participant

    Midwest2- If you insist. I very close friend of mine of sterling character, with whom I attended yeshiva for several years and then sat next to in shul for several more was next door neighbors w/ R Binyamin, and he told him he did it.

    #1531332

    beee
    Participant

    just cuz some one did it, duz not mean that they are on the level to get an answer, maybe ya and maybe no…

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