Goyim hardly listen to jazz anymore.

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Does that make it less treif? Can we listen to jazz now?

    #1158131
    zahavasdad
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    Kenny G is still popular

    #1158132
    ubiquitin
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    Ah but Kenny G isn’t a Goy

    #1158133
    zahavasdad
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    Actually I didnt know that Kenny G was jewish, but I dont think thats what the OP meant.

    #1158134

    When people refer to goyish music vs. Jewish music, they don’t put in in the latter category just because the artist’s mother was Jewish.

    #1158135
    zahavasdad
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    According to some Jewish music is only things like Chassidic Niggunim and not even Klezmer music (Think Hava Negilla) which really is jewish music, but has become associated with secular Judaism

    #1158136
    popa_bar_abba
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    When people refer to goyish music vs. Jewish music, they don’t put in in the latter category just because the artist’s mother was Jewish.

    No, usually they refer to whether the artist was frum.

    It’s a pretty crude metric for whatever the real distinction being attempted is. It works ok for its purpose, but there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that it’s inherently a bit stupid.

    #1158137

    To make it a bit less crude, I would add that it’s usually Jewish themed.

    There are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.

    #1158138
    popa_bar_abba
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    There are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.

    Example?

    #1158139

    Some of Andy Statman’s music.

    I believe there are some frum classical musicians.

    #1158140
    👑RebYidd23
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    Much has been said implying that jazz is the most goyish music. It is considered by some to be a risk to children’s frumkeit. It has been said that its essence is to bring out the “lower side of us. Its “yiddish taam” is questioned. It is considered junk/noise. I’m assuming that those concerns stem from the perceived goyishness of jazz. Now that goyim have almost completely given up jazz, maybe we can use it.

    #1158141
    👑RebYidd23
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    Unless jazz really is a bad influence. Has goyish society become more moral since giving up jazz?

    #1158142
    huju
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    There is one type of “Jewish music” that is neither “Jewish” nor “music”: that junk that assaults one’s ears in New York-area supermarkets. The “music” (as distinguished from the lyrics) is Israeli pop music which sounds like generic pop music of the US and Western Europe and is awful and has nothing Jewish about it. The lyrics – I only know the English lyrics – are too simple-minded to be Jewish, and the singers have absolutely no training other than listening to other singers of the same junk.

    A lot of jazz and other music is themed around romance that is not connected with marriage, and I do not see how it can be considered acceptable listening for frum Jews.

    #1158143
    apushatayid
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    “There are frum musicians whose audience isn’t frum, and I wouldn’t call their music “Jewish music”.”

    There are many not frum and even not jewish musicians whose audience is frum (a good percentage of the musicians who play in todays bands at weddings). Does this mean people are dancing to non jewish music at weddings?

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