If you had one era to go back in time… where would it be?

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  • #1471225

    KlutzKasheh
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    I would probably travel to har sinai and hear hashems voice and the many nisim that hashem performed for us then…
    when would you go?

    #1471570

    Joseph
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    Har Sinai.

    #1471566

    Lightbrite
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    How long would we stay there? Will I have access to modern amenities? Will I know that I will be coming back here?

    #1471582

    Curious1000
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    I’d be tempted to go for har sinai, but I’d probably go for Yetzias Metzraim because that way I could do zechirah better.

    Watching the faces of the shvatim by ani yosef sounds good too, though.

    #1471609

    Lightbrite
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    If I go back to Har Sinai, will I see and meet all of my family members?

    #1471615

    Avi K
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    I was already there as well as a few others in previous gilgulim. However, Rav Kook says on “ad shelo notzarti” that this one started exactly when it was needed.

    #1471631

    Chabadshlucha
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    Well luckily for us, we about to go back to that and even better. Kimei tzeischa meieretz mitzrayim arenu niflaos and Vlo yikanef od Morecha. Torah chadasha meiIti teitzei with the coming of moshiach which is happening soon!

    #1471654

    NOYB
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    A Jewish event- Either Har Sinai or the First Beis Hamikdash. Both had lots of nissim and were times of closeness to Hashem. A world history event- watching the D-day landings would be pretty insane. The largest armada ever assembled, all moving to free occupied Europe- it would be cool to see.

    #1471679

    ☕️coffee addict
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    I would go back to the period when the beis hamikdash was standing and see all the Nissim that happened during that time

    #1471701

    zahavasdad
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    Id go back to 1921 and tell every jew to get out of Europe as a Madman is going to kill them all in Auschwitz and Treblinka

    (1921 because that was one of the last years when immigation was still possible to the US)

    #1471795

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Zdad,

    It sounded from the op that you can’t alter history and only could look at a certain time period

    Additionally I don’t think anyone would believe you because everything is in Hashem’s plan and it seems like it had to have happened

    #1471876

    lesschumras
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    Those of you wishing to go back to Sinai, mske sure that you’re under 20 years old so that you can also enter Eretz Yisroel

    #1471820

    zahavasdad
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    Never an indication I couldnt alter history and if even one person left Euope would would have otherwise died, then it would have been worth it. I would bring proof

    #1471878

    Avi K
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    ZD, why not EY as the gates were wide open? However, if they did not listen to Rav Kook and the Imrei Emmet or, lehavdil, Jabotinsky, they would not listen to you. In fact, if you told them that you were from the future they would put you away.

    #1471894

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Zdad,

    Hashgocha pratis dictates everything happens because hashem wants it to

    #1471899

    Teal
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    It’s interesting to note everyone mentioning the era of Matan Torah. What about the very begining… maybe zehavadad, if your so sure people will obey your command to get out of Europe, maybe you would’ve had the power to persuade Chava not to eat from eitz hadaas. Then we could’ve avoided all the forthcoming issues… Well! I guess like coffee addict says we can’t change the world. Hashem has His plans for everything. So let’s all just make the best of the era He put us in and live it to the max and hope and pray that Moshiach come speedily Bimhaira b’yamainu Amen!

    #1471942

    WolfishMusings
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    I’d go back in time and tell my teenage self not to give my parents such a hard time.

    Yes, it’s selfish. Yes, it’s not the “Jewish” answer that you were probably looking for. Nonetheless, that’s it for me.

    The Wolf

    #1471943

    zahavasdad
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    The question is if you had one attempt to time travel would you want to see a miracle or attempt to save lives.

    Id skip the Beis Hamigdos or Matan Torah and do whatever I could to try to save lives even if I failed.

    #1471945

    WolfishMusings
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    maybe you would’ve had the power to persuade Chava not to eat from eitz hadaas. Then we could’ve avoided all the forthcoming issues…

    Well, if you did that, then you would very likely not exist.

    Likewise, if you found a way to prevent the Holocaust, you would (especially if you have ancestors who came from Europe around then or afterwards) likely put yourself out of existence as well.

    The Wolf

    #1472036

    zahavasdad
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    1) I actually dont have any ancestors who came to the US after the holocaust (They either came before World War 1 or just after)

    2) If you did save a few lives by convincing someone to leave Europe before the war, you would still exist, its only if you convinced someone NOT to leave and that person was an ancestor would there be a problem

    #1472184

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Zdad,

    I don’t know where you got that that was the ops question also you probably wouldn’t exist as you yourself you would be a totally different person

    #1472293

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Another assumption is made here as well, Lets say you went back to the Beis Hamingdosh or Har Sinai and discovered something that was not previous known, something that could have an effect on modern day Judaism.

    Dont think just be visting and not having any effect , doesnt mean you dont have an effect

    #1472349

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Were talking about not having an effect on the past, if it was possible it would have happened

    Rule #1 in time travel

    Knowing something “new” that happened is possible to not alter the past yet can alter the future and there’s nothing wrong with that, we do so every day!

    #1472392

    zahavasdad
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    Lets just say someone went back to Har Sinai and saw Moshe Rabeanu wearing Tfillin

    Firstly how did Moshe Rabeneu look, Did he have Peyes or not, and if he did what did it look like

    What about his Tfillin? There are actually more kinds than Rashi or Rabbenu Tam. What if his tfillin were neither of those and something else

    #1472424

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Zdad,

    I don’t think anything would change based on that

    It’s no different with the story with rav elezar and rabban gamliel (I think it was those tannaim) where we say torah lo b’shamayim he

    #1472446

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There may be other things

    What about if you went into the Beis Hamigdosh and saw the Bubbling blood of the Prophet Zechariah and the Cohanim seemed to totally ignore it

    #1472462

    ☕️coffee addict
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    as I’ve said before, Hashem runs the world and has a plan for eveything, this is what hashgacha pratis is!

    If you would have told the kohanim that they’ll be killed along with scores of people Just because of this blood they would laugh at you for saying something so ludicrous!
    If you tried covering it up the blood would still show

    The past can never be changed, if it could it would have been

    #1472475

    Shtika
    Participant

    I’d go back to the times of the Gra and Baal Hatanya and try to bring shalom between them… or at least hear them debate who’s right ion the inyan of tzimzum

    #1472528

    hml
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    Post-Holocaust. So much more should have been done to help survivors b’gashmius u’b’ruchniyus.

    #1472549

    zahavasdad
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    I think you are missing the point, life was different back then and the Gemra , Torah medrashing etc are not history books, you might discover something that the ancients might have not even thought was a big deal, but would be a big deal today

    Here is another example. Raw sewage was a problem until the advent of modern plumbing, except for a short time when the romans had some sort of sewage system. Ancients were probably used to the smell and the sight of it that it was no big deal and there was likely some raw sewage not far from the Beis Hamigdosh. To the ancients it was not big deal, but you would likely notice it and it might change your view on things

    Its not Hasghcha pratis, its just a fact that not everything was written down and some things maybe not so positive would cloud your view if you ever found them out

    #1472556

    akuperma
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    Is the initial question asking when one would want to live (probably not very far in the past, the modern standard of living gives us a vastly higher quality of life than our ancestors) or, when would you go to alter history (to benefit the Klal Yisrael, I would suggest preventing World War I (preserving the stable era of the “Proud Tower” and avoiding the rise of Socialism, Naziism and Islamic Natinalism which have not been good for us) , or perhaps preventing the breakdown of relations with Rome which led to a several wars that were disasterous for us) or perhaps Bayit Rishon (some sage advice and a bit of gunpowder and there wouldn’t be numbers after Bayit), or (being sarcastic) going to Avraham Aveinu or Moshe Rabeinu and telling them about New Zealand and Madagascar which were both totally free of goyim (i.e. uninhabited) at the time.

    #1472627

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Like I said zdad,

    If it doesn’t alter history it’s fine if it does then it won’t happen

    If it changes your outlook and maybe others now then that has no bearing on the past it’s fine

    #1472579

    zahavasdad
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    If Moshe Rabeneu had led us to New Zealand, Its like someone alledgely born on December 25th would also have come from there

    #1472699

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Apuperma

    In the late 19th century there was a famous wild west show called Buffalo’s Bill Wild West show where people “acted out” scenes from the american west

    One of the people in the show was a woman named Annie Oakley who was a marksman. The show toured in Europe and one night she went out drinking, the next day they did a show with Kaiser Wilhem in the audeience and he dated her to shoot a cigeratte out of his mouth, Hungover she shot out the cigarttes. Later when the war started she sent him a letter offering him to do the “trick” again.

    Had she missed and she had shot Kaiser Wilhelm its possible there would either never have been a WW I or the Germans might have won the war and Nazism, Commumism and Islamism would never have happend. So maybe someone should go back and get Annie Oakley to “MISS” and shoot the Kaiser

    #1472700

    akuperma
    Participant

    zahavasdad: In that case no one would have heard of him for a while. The first people only reached New Zealand in the time of the Rishonim and the first Europeans only in the time of the Achronim. We would have had prolonged peace and quiet, except for gigantic (but not meat eating) birds. Of course, when the Europeans arrived (and remember, they would probably be worshipping their ancestral dieties), tghey would have gunpowder and we would still be as well armed as the Jews were in the Midbar. Isolation results in backwardness.

    Seriously though, the fact that Ha-Shem didn’t send us to an isolated uninhabited island suggest a deliberate reason for us to have a homeland at the cross roads between Africa, Asia and Europe, “in the thick of things”.

    #1472755

    beisyosef
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    If I were to go back to one point in history it would probably be 20-30 years ago that way I would know exactly which stock and companies to invest in, I’d become the first ever trillionaire, and would settle down and learn while taking all of klal yisrael out of poverty and living in the most comfortable era in history.

    #1472799

    velicher choosid
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    The days of Shlomo Hamelech.

    #1472804

    wth
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    akuperma,
    I think it’s the other way round. Hashem doesn’t want us to be in the thick of things. Wherever we are, that’s where the thick of things will be.

    #1472837

    laskern
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    Many are saying to go back to Har Sinai, but we don’t have to go back there as all jewish neshomas were there even those that will be born later. Coming from Hungary, I would like to return to the time of the Chasam Sofer where most of my minhogim originate.

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    #1472886

    laskern
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    About Moshe Rabbenu, see the Tiferes Yisroel at the end of Kidushin telling the story of the painter.

    #1472935

    beisyosef
    Participant

    Laskern
    Many meforshim argue on the Tiferes Yisrael (also quoted by the tosfos yom tov) and explain that it’s simply untrue. They bring a raiya from the fact that he illuminated light into the world when he was born before he was able to fight his yetzer hara, therefore if his true middos weren’t good that wouldn’t happen.

    #1473286

    laskern
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    The Noam Elimelech says in Zetil Katan 15 writes that our assignment in this world is to change our nature.

    #1473289

    laskern
    Participant

    The light of Moshe Rabbenu might relate to Mordechai who lit up the Jews through whom they accepted the Torah with their full heart. נתמלא הבית כלו אורה like it says היתה אורה ושמחה.

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