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MDlevine – Thanks for posting and admitting that you aren’t a medical prof.
You just proved that I’m not a “Doctor of cut & paste” like some posters have accused me of. (Not that I wanted to prove it because I have No ego, not like some posters.) But if you just do a cut & paste on this topic you will come out with the info you found. I, on the other hand and all med. prof. have learnt from lectures, medical books, Media, Online (Net) and many sources.
The info in this topic that I posted above comes from my vast collection of medical books. The name of the book is – “Guide to Medical Cures and Treatments” on the page of “Ingrown nails”. This book is meant for laymen -so the info is appropiate for home treatment. Don’t confuse this book with “Currents Medical Diagnosis & Treatments”, which I also own – which is meant for the Med. Prof.!
Btw, CMDT is not exactly a stellar medical text. If you DO own it, I would suggest you replace it with Harrison’s, or even The Washington Manual. But what would yo know about those.
I just looked up the book online “Guide to Medical Cures and Treatments” and it only tells me where I can buy it – but the book itself is not published online I will have to go to Library.
I did a few more searches on home remedies for ingrown toenails and they all say not to try cutting it out yourself at home. the other sites also said that folks with diabetes should not even try the soaking and ointments etc. without first consulting with a medical doctor
from Discovery “TLC” which is not as far as I know a medical site (but it makes a whole lot of sense):
“If you have diabetes or any other condition that affects circulation, don’t even think of trying to treat a nail infection yourself. In people with poor circulation, any foot wound or infection takes longer to heal. If not properly treated, an injury could worsen quickly and cause other complications; at worst, it could result in amputation.”
without seeing the readers digest guide to medical cures and treatments I would be surprised if they don’t have a caveat in the book for those with diabetes and other circulatory problems.
question – would you at lease agree that it was probably not the best advice to tell someone a remedy without knowing their health history (even with the assumption that most people will not follow an anonymous poster on a non-medical blog) because it could lead to dire consequences (amputation)? I would also assume that if someone visited you in your office or clinic you would not send them home to do this without knowing their medical history (true???).
Mods, what? My last post to harsh for this boor? Eh, your probably right. He wouldn’t understand half of what I wrote.
Ctrl Alt Del -“Btw, CMDT is not exactly a stellar medical text. If you DO own it, I would suggest you replace it with Harrison’s, or even The Washington Manual.”
What do Nurses know about med books? I don’t know what you have against the book, but by me the price was right. Too much detail in Harrison’s to do any good besides for reference. Most guys I know use either Uptodate or emedicine.com for daily use. And that’s enough med info I’m gonna give you.
mdlevine -“I did a few more searches on home remedies for ingrown toenails and they all say not to try cutting it out yourself at home. the other sites also said that folks with diabetes should not even try the soaking and ointments etc. without first consulting with a medical doctor”
You sound like you’re trying to Prove me wrong -any particular reason? I don’t have to go Bosur Rov (After the most opinions).
“from Discovery “TLC” which is not as far as I know a medical site (but it makes a whole lot of sense):
“If you have diabetes or any other condition that affects circulation, don’t even think of trying to treat a nail infection yourself. In people with poor circulation, any foot wound or infection takes longer to heal. If not properly treated, an injury could worsen quickly and cause other complications; at worst, it could result in amputation.”
without seeing the readers digest guide to medical cures and treatments I would be surprised if they don’t have a caveat in the book for those with diabetes and other circulatory problems.”
So they do – so what?
“question – would you at lease agree that it was probably not the best advice to tell someone a remedy without knowing their health history (even with the assumption that most people will not follow an anonymous poster on a non-medical blog) because it could lead to dire consequences (amputation)? I would also assume that if someone visited you in your office or clinic you would not send them home to do this without knowing their medical history (true???).”
You obviously don’t know the first thing about medicine or you are scared to not practice or allow anybody else not to practice anything but CYA medicine. I don’t practice CYA medicine, at least not here because I’m not giving a Prof. opinion here. I say what I think will help. And the reason I didn’t warn him/her is because I doubt he/she would fit into that category. I have a Gemmorah Kup and I can figure out things. I figured if the guy/gal was a diabetic or similar they wouldn’t be coming here with this question. Why? Because one of the first things they tell newly diagnosed diabetics is to make sure a Podiatrist cuts your toenails. So – 1. They usually don’t get ingrown toenails. and 2. If they do – they know to run right away to the podiatrist.
Even if there is a very minisule chance that I guessed wrong – I’m not going to get distracted by all the craziness that goes on in this country (eg. Sue happy folks) to prevent me from telling s/o what I feel is a decent solution to their medical problem! It’s not like I said to do a resection & destruction of the root -I said cut out the little bit that’s ingrown!
“You sound like you’re trying to Prove me wrong -any particular reason? I don’t have to go Bosur Rov (After the most opinions).”
First – I don’t have a dog in this fight
Second – because I sincerely doubt and I sincerly hope that no one would be foolish enough to follow “medical advice” from a non-medical authorative site – I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer.
“without seeing the readers digest guide to medical cures and treatments I would be surprised if they don’t have a caveat in the book for those with diabetes and other circulatory problems.”
So they do – so what?”
if they do and you deliberately did not include the disclaimer – you cannot claim that the advice comes from Readers Digest – rather is came from your own “gemara” kup – but please don’t cite a source if you do are leaving out a critical step.
“You obviously don’t know the first thing about medicine or you are scared to not practice or allow anybody else not to practice anything but CYA medicine.”
scared to pratice??? gosh golly ya think? I don’t practice – never had, never will. re-read my first post again. I may not have gone to medical school or nursing school of EMT training – but I know how to google and read up on things. It still seems to me that every site says to not do the cut at home – rather leave it to the professionals. Only you – a sole voice says to do it yourself.
“I don’t practice CYA medicine, at least not here because I’m not giving a Prof. opinion here.”
1) I don’t understand your answer to my very straight forward and simple question – In your medical pracitse – Do you or would you provide medical care (non-emergency) without knowing the medical history of the patient? If someone came to you with an ingrown toenail – without first getting a medical history would you send them home with a copy of readers digest? (a simple yes or no will do).
2) You seem like a smart person who really cares about others and wants to help people. you present yourself as a professional and a qualified dispenser of medical advice. All I am saying is it seems like you left out a step – why not rectify it by reposting with the (see the doctor disclaimer. this is not an attack – just comment and an observation.
mdlevine -“So they do – so what?
if they do and you deliberately did not include the disclaimer – you cannot claim that the advice comes from Readers Digest – rather is came from your own “gemara” kup – but please don’t cite a source if you do are leaving out a critical step.”
You are so wrapped up with yourself -you don’t even realize what you posted. I never quoted the book – I made a suggestion how to handle the situation. After you brought down many sites that are afraid to recommend this advice – I posted my source -where I got the idea from.
“It still seems to me that every site says to not do the cut at home – rather leave it to the professionals. Only you – a sole voice says to do it yourself.”
Me and the book, except they added in a disclaimer.
“1) I don’t understand your answer to my very straight forward and simple question – In your medical pracitse – Do you or would you provide medical care (non-emergency) without knowing the medical history of the patient? If someone came to you with an ingrown toenail – without first getting a medical history would you send them home with a copy of readers digest? (a simple yes or no will do).”
Since I have a Gemorrah Kup – I’ll answer the question with a question. Do you think that podiatrists test all their patients before working on an ingrown nail to see if they have hidden diabetes? (A simple yes or no will do.)
“2) You seem like a smart person who really cares about others and wants to help people. you present yourself as a professional and a qualified dispenser of medical advice. All I am saying is it seems like you left out a step – why not rectify it by reposting with the (see the doctor disclaimer. this is not an attack – just comment and an observation.”
Simple because the guy (presumably) or gal decided not to take my advice and instead decided to destroy his liver with drugs and alcohol. Perhaps he didn’t consider it because of all the posters who attacked my advice.
For e/o else they got the message from our latest back and forth.
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1) “The info in this topic that I posted above comes from my vast collection of medical books. The name of the book is – “Guide to Medical Cures and Treatments” on the page of “Ingrown nails”.”
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2) “I never quoted the book – I made a suggestion how to handle the situation. After you brought down many sites that are afraid to recommend this advice – I posted my source -where I got the idea from.”
and ofcourse using your standard Modus Operandi you prefaced it with an insult.
“You are so wrapped up with yourself -you don’t even realize what you posted.”
I have treated you nicely and respectfully in every post directed towards you and yet you still had the need to hurl an insult.
to answer your question re: medical histories – Yes they ask. No they don’t test.
last 2 questions for you not to answer but rather for you to get all defensive about and to insult me and others again. it is a yes or no question. Do you see the contradiction in your two statements that I quoted? Do you see where in statement 2 – you contradicted yourself?
“For e/o else they got the message from our latest back and forth.”
well folks that is probably as close as an admission from Dr. Health that he concurs that a competent medical authority should be consulted. I guess it was just to difficult to say it out right so he had to just allude to it.
Hey look whos back? its mdlevine. I seem to remember you as the guy who convinced teenof13 to hate her father. See this thread where teenof13 is just saying how its hard to be a teen
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/tznius-a-womans-issue
and then mdlevine says her father is bad and then she goes crazy here
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/parents-and-cell-phones
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