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    👑RebYidd23
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    Family helps preserve American values. So a president should ideally have a family. But a president’s family can’t have a normal life, so what kind of person would put his/her own family through that? I don’t think a good person would.

    #1023534
    TheGoq
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    Well Romney’s kids were all grown when he ran.

    #1023535
    my own kind of jew
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    A – Is “not normal” the same as “bad?”

    B- It could be argued that any job comes with certain implications on the family’s life. Should not a single person who has a family ever enter the armed forces, because who would put their family through that? Or any kind of Fire Department or Police?

    #1023536
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    But a president’s family can’t have a normal life That’s why pope & catholic clergy don’t get married, so they don’t get distracted by the families, but rather can give undivided attention to their followers.

    Is a good president possible? After Obama is gone, anyone would be a good president. It would be harder to be a worse president than a batter president than Obama is being.

    #1023537
    popa_bar_abba
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    Yes the nation owes Obama a debt of gratitude for retroactively giving us 43 good presidents.

    #1023538

    42

    Good line, though 🙂

    #1023539
    charliehall
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    “That’s why pope & catholic clergy don’t get married, so they don’t get distracted by the families”

    They celibacy rule does not apply to all Catholic clergy, and it was instituted not because of possible distractions but because the clergy wanted to pass on inheritances to their children.

    “After Obama is gone, anyone would be a good president.”

    Objectively, Obama is the most successful President in domestic policy since Lyndon Johnson and the most successful President on foreign policy since the first Bush.

    Domestic accomplishments:

    1) Great recession ended without a depression.

    2) Most Americans now have access to health insurance.

    3) Budget deficit declines every year.

    4) Unemployment lower than at any time since the crash of 2008.

    5) Natural gas production at an all time high.

    6) US now the #1 oil producer in the world.

    7) Stock market at all time record highs.

    Foreign policy accomplishmeents:

    1) Bin Laden dead.

    2) Almost all other top Al Qaeda leaders dead.

    3) Ghadafi dead.

    4) Greek debt crisis contained.

    5) Strategic arms treaty with Russia.

    6) Free trade agreement with Columbia.

    7) Free trade agreement with Panama.

    8) Free trade agreement with South Korea.

    9) Iran faces most draconian sanctions in peacetime any country has ever faced.

    10) US-Israel military cooperation at highest level in history.

    11) US funds Israel’s development of Iron Dome.

    12) US out of Iraq in accordance with agreement Bush signed with Al-Maliki.

    13) US *not* in Syria.

    14) Republic of the Philippines invites US Navy back. (It had kicked us out under the first Bush.)

    I could add a few more but you get the picture.

    #1023540
    SayIDidItâ„¢
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    Obama 2016!

    Obama 2016!

    #1023541
    ari-free
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    12) US out of Iraq in accordance with agreement Bush signed with Al-Maliki.

    13) US *not* in Syria.

    ISIS is in Iraq and Syria. Success!

    #1023542
    Sam2
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    To answer the original premise, any world leader of any type requires a sacrifice of time spent with family. President of the United States is no different. HKBH chooses/gives His stamp of approval to the right person with the Kochos to handle it.

    #1023543

    CHRISTIE FOR PRESIDENT!! 2016!!

    #1023544
    Redleg
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    C’mon Charlie.

    Domestic Policy:

    1. Bush’s TARP is what saved the day. Love it or hate it, it was Bush’s initiative, not Obama’s

    2. Same number uninsured as before AHA. Also, AHA does not address the core issue.

    3. Really?

    4. Well, yeah. but the levels are still unacceptably high with no relief in sight. Obama’s programs are making the the same error that FDR’s programs did. They institutionalize the economic problems instead of solving them. FDR essentially made high unemployment the new norm. Obama’s problem isn’t near as great as FDR’s was but he’s making the same mistake.

    5. In spite of Obama, not because of his energy policies.

    6. Ditto

    7. Double Ditto. That’s unfair. The fact is that Presidents get blamed for poor a economy so it’s only fair that the should take some credit when the economy improves. The fact is that Presidents don’t really have a lot of control either way.

    Foreign Policy

    1. Good Job

    2. Good as far as it goes but it’s like cutting a head off of the Hydra. Three grow back.

    3. Do you actually think that the mess we left in Libya is a foreign policy success? It was a really bad idea to interfere in Libya. Qadafi may have been a ruthless dictator but he was

    cooperating with the U.S. and the international community.

    4. What on earth did Obama have to do with the Greek economic crisis? By the way, Greece isn’t out of the woods yet by a long shot.

    5. The intent was good but Putin ate Obama’s lunch on that agreement.

    6. Good job

    7. Ditto

    8. Double ditto

    9. Congress not Obama but not near “draconian” enough

    10. Higher than under Nixon?

    11. Good job

    12. Really? Bush left a “stable, growing, democratic” Iraq. (Obama’s own words in 2011). The current complete mess in Iraq is totally due to Obama’s complete failure to obtain a remainder of forces agreement.

    13. Good. I guess he learned his lesson in Libya.

    14. Good.

    #1023545

    Without joining the debate over whether Obama has done a good job, OP’s point is correct but the family reason is only a tiny slice of it. In order to become the president, you need to be among the best and luckiest in the world in an area that does not bear any relationship to being a good president – political campaigning. It’s like choosing a tax planner on the basis of running races. People who would be good at governing are not found within a thousand miles of a political campaign, because they are busy running stuff. Why would they get involved in an entirely unrelated arena with a 10% chance at most of having it pay off, assuming they even think the presidency is a payoff?

    #1023546
    dial427436
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    To the OP, someones wife(first lady) may have had an agenda. We do know from the Torah that a wife can have pull in her husbands decisions.

    I have heard first lady Mrs. Michelle Obama’s name more times than any other Presidency, at least in my lifetime…Hillary is up there as well but I think it’s just proving my point. Old timers please correct me if I’m wrong.

    #1023547
    👑RebYidd23
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    Next president may have a husband.

    #1023548

    “Is a good president possible?”

    Just wait and see.. “Little Forggie 2016”

    #1023549

    What do you mean when you say that “family helps preserve American values”?

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