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  • #608965

    popa_bar_abba
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    Is it tznius to read books written by female authors? How is it different from kol isha?

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jonathan-swift#post-455507

    #947078

    BYbychoice
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    yes it is perectly tznius, since when cant women speak what they think? is a womens thoughts so tameh that men cant know what they are now? i do beleive the last time i checked that megilas eshter was written by eshter and mordechai

    #947079

    147
    Participant

    I read Megillas Ruth & Esther, although I don’t know if they were authored by Ruth & Esther respectively?

    But many of us also read books authored by Rebbetzen Esther Jungreis which are very fine books.

    #947080

    Vogue
    Member

    How is it different from Jewish companies who don’t hire women? Its the same concept, and all the above are totally tznius.

    #947081

    playtime
    Member

    So anyhow, I was walking down the street in Jerusalem in a Sefardi Israeli neighborhood, and I hear music.

    I thought it was Martina Mcbride or Katy Perry, which is extremely odd to hear in that neighborhood.

    So I listened carefully for a few seconds, and it turned out to be Meydad Tasa.

    So I was thinking, if a boy sounds like a women, is it Assur?

    #947082

    OneOfMany
    Member

    only if you cover your eyes

    #947083

    SaysMe
    Member

    Is it tznius to read posts written by female posters? How is it different from kol isha?

    #947084

    BYbychoice
    Member

    well lets see,a boy sounding like a woman where have i heard that before…..oh i know ybc,maimi boys, basically the places that kick the boys out when they start to get deeper voices and cant sing high like women,im a female and i dont even listen to these kinds of groups sing cause i know they are imitating women, they get the voices of women without doing anything wrong,but is that right?

    #947085

    OneOfMany
    Member

    Audio books are okay if they are read in a male voice, but it’s better to be machmir and cover your eyes as well.

    #947086

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Is it tznius to read posts by female members of the CR?

    #947087

    BYbychoice
    Member

    is it tznius to read posts by male posters in the cr? afterall, it may lead to a female replying to them chas vechalila!!!!

    #947088

    sam4321
    Member

    Is it permissible to learn the halachos of women as is the case in the Magen Avraham OC 263:12(Prisha/Drisha quotes his mother or wife for halacha of candle lighting)?

    #947089

    Sam2
    Participant

    Sam4: Prisha/Drisha also is the one who says it’s Muttar for women to learn on their own. He says in his Hakdama that his mother was one of his main Rebbeim, I believe.

    Until the 1950s or so, etiquette dictated that books written by women and men should be on different bookshelves unless they are directly adjacent to a book written by the author’s spouse.

    #947090

    apushatayid
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    Hmmmmm…… I hope I wasnt nichshol the whole shul at my shabbos bar mitzvah when I lained shiras devorah.

    #947091

    popa_bar_abba
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    Prisha/Drisha also is the one who says it’s Muttar for women to learn on their own.

    So is there more of an inyan for women to learn the prisha and drisha over other Torah?

    (I once helped a female then-“acquaintance” read a drisha for a report she was writing, but I didn’t have daas for this inyan.)

    #947092

    sam4321
    Member

    Sam2: It is interesting to note that in gemarah shabbas 111 the Tosfos on the bottom about sechitah brings the Ri ( 111b at the end )who said he heard from the women about the mesorah of Rabbeinu Tam.

    #947093

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Hmmmmm…… I hope I wasnt nichshol the whole shul at my shabbos bar mitzvah when I lained shiras devorah.

    You think you’re Wolf or something?

    #947094

    oomis
    Participant

    Seriously, Popa???? Is next Purim coming early?

    #947095

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Seriously, Popa???? Is next Purim coming early?

    It’s always purim in the CR.

    #947096

    haifagirl
    Member

    I’m not sure, but I think reading books by women could lead to mixed dancing.

    #947097

    Ender
    Member

    I’m hereby nominating PBA for Troll of the year award.

    #947098

    playtime
    Member

    yeah, i also dance when i read/!?

    #947099

    YOU ARE ALL INSANE! there is no halacha saying any of the above. isnt judaism hard enough without looking for ways to make it harder?

    and by the way popa-bar-abba, im female, so dont read this…..

    #947100

    mobico
    Participant

    Why Popa asked this now is obvious; it has nothing to do with Purim. A book written by a woman cannot be called a Sefer – it is a Sefirah. And that is what we are doing during this period.

    #947101

    It is OK to read books written by somebody who is not male only if all the characters are male, and even then the characters may only discuss things pertaining to fellow males. If the book so much as contains the pronoun “she” (shudder, shudder) it must be burnt.

    YM613:

    “since when cant women speak what they think? is a womens thoughts so tameh that men cant know what they are now?”

    Of course. Don’t you know that the most basic tenet of Ultra-Orthodoxy is that women are inferior beings who must be completely controlled by men, lest they think for themselves? And that the reason we separate the genders is so that the men are not tainted by the impurity of lesser beings I won’t even deign to mention?

    Come on, you have to start reading more blogs.

    #947102

    Sam2
    Participant

    Sam4: The Sh’arim Metzuyanim B’Halachah on the Kitzur brings down a list of such Mekoros. I think he also quotes a Bach and another Rishon or two, but I don’t precisely remember.

    #947103

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Now i cant read Louisa May Alcott, George Eliot, or Jane Austen? feh on that.

    #947104

    N.G
    Member

    It’s not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can’t u read a book that a female wrote????

    #947105

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    It’s not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can’t u read a book that a female wrote????

    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

    #947106

    DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

    That’s a major ?????. Is ??? ??? a ??? in the ???? Then it’s ?????? ????. But ???? it’s a ??? in the ???, then it’s ?????? ????.

    ??”?

    #947108

    apushatayid
    Participant

    The bigger question is, why would you want to?

    #947109

    rabbi wanabe
    Member

    Ayin Ramban parshas shmini and vayetzei where he says that women are so tumeh that you shouldn’t even walk on the dirt they walked on.vihamevin yavin.

    #947110

    interjection
    Participant

    Rabbi wannabe what’s the source? I wanna look it up

    #947112

    yaff80
    Participant

    Interjection:

    See Ramban in Vayetzei on the parsha of Rachel sitting on the t’rafim belonging to Lavan and Lavan came in to search for them.

    The Ramban is mindboggling but if I recall correctly, he states that it doesnt apply nowadays.

    #947113

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    N.G

    No, it’s not mutter for males to talk to females just to shmooze

    #947114
    It's not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can't u read a book that a female wrote????

    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

    what the heter to speak? Ayein the gemorah in kedushin whre it is clearly discussing speaking by “kol beisha erva”

    #947115

    see previous post.

    Ayein noseh keilim on shulchan aruch who seem to learn that it is singing. Therefore above post was a joke 😉

    #947116

    oomis
    Participant

    Mobico 🙂

    #947117

    Ariellah
    Participant

    no it’s an aveirah to listen to music song by a girl or to read a book written by a girl.

    #947118

    azny
    Participant

    its a very simple shailah–since anything women do is asur,we should be machmir as if it’s avodah zarah, and since any avodah zarah by a jew is omayd l’serafah ( must be burned), and we paskin like R’ Shimon that O’mayd L’serafah is k’eluy saref ( it’s as if it’s already burned) so therefore anything a women writes is already like its burned– so therefore you can read it since its halachiclly non-existent.

    #947119

    twisted
    Participant

    When printing was new and type (until fairly recently) was hand set, numerous sefarim were type set by women and girls (oi vey) as a cottage industry. Attention to detail and knowledge of the text (gulp, cough, ahem) made them naturals at it. And when life expectancy was 30 to 50, no one noticed the lead poisoning factor.

    #947120

    WIY
    Member

    interjection

    (You dont have to like it but) the kabbalah sefarim say that the tumah on a woman who is a niddah is extremely powerful. This is the way Hashem made it. It probably has something to do with Chavas aveira.

    #947121

    Ariellah
    Participant

    azny- r u legit bc i didn’t know that halacha b4

    Ariellah, this is a warning. You need to cut out the text speak on this site.

    YW Moderator-127

    #947122

    charliehall
    Participant

    “the kabbalah sefarim say that the tumah on a woman who is a niddah is extremely powerful”

    You don’t need kabbalah. It is explicit in the Torah. It isn’t as strong as corpse tumah, though, which we all have today.

    #947123

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    You don’t need kabbalah. It is explicit in the Torah. It isn’t as strong as corpse tumah, though, which we all have today.

    +1

    #947124

    WIY
    Member

    Charlie and popa

    I was referring to the Ramban and the mystical and hidden aspects of Tumah. Not just the basic laws of assur mutar.

    #947125

    computerbagels
    Participant

    I always make sure that my GPS is set to a male voice 😉

    #947126

    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
    Participant

    computerbagels- In Germany GPSs use male voices because men there didn’t like taking directions from a woman… no kidding. You can look it up.

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