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  1. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Is it tznius to read books written by female authors? How is it different from kol isha?
    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/jonathan-swift#post-455507

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  2. yiddeshemeidle613
    washes her fruits and veggies squeaky clean

    yes it is perectly tznius, since when cant women speak what they think? is a womens thoughts so tameh that men cant know what they are now? i do beleive the last time i checked that megilas eshter was written by eshter and mordechai

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  3. 147
    -105

    I read Megillas Ruth & Esther, although I don't know if they were authored by Ruth & Esther respectively?

    But many of us also read books authored by Rebbetzen Esther Jungreis which are very fine books.

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  4. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    How is it different from Jewish companies who don't hire women? Its the same concept, and all the above are totally tznius.

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  5. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    So anyhow, I was walking down the street in Jerusalem in a Sefardi Israeli neighborhood, and I hear music.

    I thought it was Martina Mcbride or Katy Perry, which is extremely odd to hear in that neighborhood.

    So I listened carefully for a few seconds, and it turned out to be Meydad Tasa.

    So I was thinking, if a boy sounds like a women, is it Assur?

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  6. OneOfMany
    Today, the Impressively Arbitrary Nymphadora the Purple is sporting One Of her Many eyebrow colors, as well as her Morgul-blade ^_^

    only if you cover your eyes

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  7. SaysMe
    O pen, says me

    Is it tznius to read posts written by female posters? How is it different from kol isha?

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  8. yiddeshemeidle613
    washes her fruits and veggies squeaky clean

    well lets see,a boy sounding like a woman where have i heard that before.....oh i know ybc,maimi boys, basically the places that kick the boys out when they start to get deeper voices and cant sing high like women,im a female and i dont even listen to these kinds of groups sing cause i know they are imitating women, they get the voices of women without doing anything wrong,but is that right?

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  9. OneOfMany
    Today, the Impressively Arbitrary Nymphadora the Purple is sporting One Of her Many eyebrow colors, as well as her Morgul-blade ^_^

    Audio books are okay if they are read in a male voice, but it's better to be machmir and cover your eyes as well.

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  10. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    Is it tznius to read posts by female members of the CR?

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  11. yiddeshemeidle613
    washes her fruits and veggies squeaky clean

    is it tznius to read posts by male posters in the cr? afterall, it may lead to a female replying to them chas vechalila!!!!

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  12. sam4321
    Member

    Is it permissible to learn the halachos of women as is the case in the Magen Avraham OC 263:12(Prisha/Drisha quotes his mother or wife for halacha of candle lighting)?

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  13. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    Sam4: Prisha/Drisha also is the one who says it's Muttar for women to learn on their own. He says in his Hakdama that his mother was one of his main Rebbeim, I believe.

    Until the 1950s or so, etiquette dictated that books written by women and men should be on different bookshelves unless they are directly adjacent to a book written by the author's spouse.

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  14. apushatayid
    Member

    Hmmmmm...... I hope I wasnt nichshol the whole shul at my shabbos bar mitzvah when I lained shiras devorah.

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  15. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Prisha/Drisha also is the one who says it's Muttar for women to learn on their own.

    So is there more of an inyan for women to learn the prisha and drisha over other Torah?

    (I once helped a female then-"acquaintance" read a drisha for a report she was writing, but I didn't have daas for this inyan.)

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  16. sam4321
    Member

    Sam2: It is interesting to note that in gemarah shabbas 111 the Tosfos on the bottom about sechitah brings the Ri ( 111b at the end )who said he heard from the women about the mesorah of Rabbeinu Tam.

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  17. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Hmmmmm...... I hope I wasnt nichshol the whole shul at my shabbos bar mitzvah when I lained shiras devorah.

    You think you're Wolf or something?

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  18. oomis
    Best Bubby EVER

    Seriously, Popa???? Is next Purim coming early?

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  19. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Seriously, Popa???? Is next Purim coming early?

    It's always purim in the CR.

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  20. haifagirl
    Chief of Grammar Enforcement Commandos

    I'm not sure, but I think reading books by women could lead to mixed dancing.

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  21. Ender
    Member

    I'm hereby nominating PBA for Troll of the year award.

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  22. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    yeah, i also dance when i read/!?

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  23. no longer need seminary help
    GOING TO ATERES!!

    YOU ARE ALL INSANE! there is no halacha saying any of the above. isnt judaism hard enough without looking for ways to make it harder?
    and by the way popa-bar-abba, im female, so dont read this.....

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  24. mobico
    Member

    Why Popa asked this now is obvious; it has nothing to do with Purim. A book written by a woman cannot be called a Sefer - it is a Sefirah. And that is what we are doing during this period.

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  25. It is OK to read books written by somebody who is not male only if all the characters are male, and even then the characters may only discuss things pertaining to fellow males. If the book so much as contains the pronoun "she" (shudder, shudder) it must be burnt.

    YM613:
    "since when cant women speak what they think? is a womens thoughts so tameh that men cant know what they are now?"

    Of course. Don't you know that the most basic tenet of Ultra-Orthodoxy is that women are inferior beings who must be completely controlled by men, lest they think for themselves? And that the reason we separate the genders is so that the men are not tainted by the impurity of lesser beings I won't even deign to mention?
    Come on, you have to start reading more blogs.

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  26. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    Sam4: The Sh'arim Metzuyanim B'Halachah on the Kitzur brings down a list of such Mekoros. I think he also quotes a Bach and another Rishon or two, but I don't precisely remember.

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  27. The Goq™
    Founder, President, Vice President and CEO of the CR Welcome Wagon!

    Now i cant read Louisa May Alcott, George Eliot, or Jane Austen? feh on that.

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  28. N.G
    Member

    It's not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can't u read a book that a female wrote????

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  29. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    It's not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can't u read a book that a female wrote????

    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

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  30. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

    That's a major חקירה. Is קול אשה a דין in the קול? Then it's לכאורה מותר. But אפשר it's a דין in the אשה, then it's לכאורה אסור.

    וצ"ע

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  31. apushatayid
    Member

    The bigger question is, why would you want to?

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  32. rabbi wanabe
    Member

    Ayin Ramban parshas shmini and vayetzei where he says that women are so tumeh that you shouldn't even walk on the dirt they walked on.vihamevin yavin.

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  33. interjection
    in·ter·jec·tion noun 1. an abrupt remark, made esp. as an aside or interruption

    Rabbi wannabe what's the source? I wanna look it up

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  34. yaff80
    Member

    Interjection:
    See Ramban in Vayetzei on the parsha of Rachel sitting on the t'rafim belonging to Lavan and Lavan came in to search for them.
    The Ramban is mindboggling but if I recall correctly, he states that it doesnt apply nowadays.

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  35. yitzchokm
    Member

    N.G
    No, it's not mutter for males to talk to females just to shmooze

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  36. RavHamachshir
    Member

    It's not forbidden to talk to a female. SO why can't u read a book that a female wrote????
    
    Well, is it more like talking or more like singing?

    what the heter to speak? Ayein the gemorah in kedushin whre it is clearly discussing speaking by "kol beisha erva"

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  37. RavHamachshir
    Member

    see previous post.
    Ayein noseh keilim on shulchan aruch who seem to learn that it is singing. Therefore above post was a joke ;)

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  38. oomis
    Best Bubby EVER

    Mobico :)

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  39. Ariellah
    troll

    no it's an aveirah to listen to music song by a girl or to read a book written by a girl.

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  40. azny
    Member

    its a very simple shailah--since anything women do is asur,we should be machmir as if it's avodah zarah, and since any avodah zarah by a jew is omayd l'serafah ( must be burned), and we paskin like R' Shimon that O'mayd L'serafah is k'eluy saref ( it's as if it's already burned) so therefore anything a women writes is already like its burned-- so therefore you can read it since its halachiclly non-existent.

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  41. twisted
    pretzel

    When printing was new and type (until fairly recently) was hand set, numerous sefarim were type set by women and girls (oi vey) as a cottage industry. Attention to detail and knowledge of the text (gulp, cough, ahem) made them naturals at it. And when life expectancy was 30 to 50, no one noticed the lead poisoning factor.

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  42. WIY
    Managed to post for 3 years without getting a subtitle

    interjection
    (You dont have to like it but) the kabbalah sefarim say that the tumah on a woman who is a niddah is extremely powerful. This is the way Hashem made it. It probably has something to do with Chavas aveira.

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  43. Ariellah
    troll

    azny- r u legit bc i didn't know that halacha b4

    Ariellah, this is a warning. You need to cut out the text speak on this site.
    YW Moderator-127

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  44. charliehall
    Member

    "the kabbalah sefarim say that the tumah on a woman who is a niddah is extremely powerful"

    You don't need kabbalah. It is explicit in the Torah. It isn't as strong as corpse tumah, though, which we all have today.

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  45. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    You don't need kabbalah. It is explicit in the Torah. It isn't as strong as corpse tumah, though, which we all have today.

    +1

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  46. WIY
    Managed to post for 3 years without getting a subtitle

    Charlie and popa
    I was referring to the Ramban and the mystical and hidden aspects of Tumah. Not just the basic laws of assur mutar.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  47. I always make sure that my GPS is set to a male voice ;)

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  48. Gamanit
    recently upgraded to a wireless keyboard

    computerbagels- In Germany GPSs use male voices because men there didn't like taking directions from a woman... no kidding. You can look it up.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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