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    Chortkov
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    (a) What is the advantage of davening at Kivrei Tzaddikim? One cannot daven to the ??, and even if one could, that could be achieved with equal success from anywhere you are.

    (b) Mekomois Hakdoshim – is there any maaleh in tefilloh in these locations? (Think Yaackov Avinu…) What is the Maaleh?

    [(c) are kivrei tzaddikim mekomois hakedoshim?]

    #1038608
    interjection
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    in response to (c), there are those who hold that you don’t have to wash netilas yadaim after leaving the kever of a tzaddik (unless it’s in a cemetery).

    #1038609
    vayoel moshe
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    U kind of ask Hashem to help you on the

    Merit of this tzadik and the tzadik kind of intercedes on your behalf

    #1038610
    Little Froggie
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    (a), (b) and (c)

    Yes, yes and yes.

    Obviously Kalev knew what he was doing when he detoured to pray at Meoras Hamachpelah. Or when Yaakov buried Rachel Emeinu at the roadside. Or countless of stories in Medrash and Gemarah of Torah greats going to be mispallel by Kivrei Tzaddikim.

    #1038611
    Chortkov
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    (a), (b) and (c)

    Yes, yes and yes.

    If you notice, A & B weren’t yes-or-no questions. I want to know what the maaleh is by each one.

    And you only brought mekorois for a. Do you have any mekoir for b and c?

    U kind of ask Hashem to help you on the

    Merit of this tzadik and the tzadik kind of intercedes on your behalf

    But why can this not be done anywhere? Cannot I not stand in any shul and daven b’zchus a certain tzaddik? The tzaddik’s neshama is not by his kever anyway (i think!), it’s upstairs already. So why is his kever anything special? That’s just where his guf is!

    #1038612
    Little Froggie
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    Dunno.

    But I suppose a tzaddik who’s greater in the after life than while living, has an inherent holiness in his guf too. That was the host to his holy Neshama, he worked on it his whole life, it stays holy. Apparently the close proximity to the Kever is more conducive to holiness. Again.. I dunno, just guessing. I should really leave these issues for the more learned…

    #1038613
    HaLeiVi
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    You don’t Daven to them to help you but you ask of them to Daven with you and for you and beseech Hakadosh Baruch Hu on your behalf.

    As far as the place, the Meis has a connection to that spot. When you are there you can relate to him. Besides, even in Tefilla we see that location and direction make a difference.

    #1038614
    Sam2
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    There is a very, very minority opinion that Kohanim may enter Kivrei Tzadikim because they do not have Tumah. Presumably that’s some sort of Ma’aleh. What it is, I have no idea.

    #1038615
    assurnet
    Participant

    Rav Yosef Dayan ztz”l once said that learning 1 hour by the kever of a Tzaddik is the equivalent of learning 100 hours in a beit midrash. Rebbe Yehoshua ben Levi once went kever Rashbi and found Eliyahu haNavi there (the famous story where he asked when Mashiach is coming and Eliyahu said ask him yourself). Rav Tzvi Aryeh Rosenfeld was doresh on this that since Eliyahu hanavi can fly between heaven and earth and can obviously just speak to Rebbe Shimon in shemayim if need be, the fact he went through the trouble of going to his physical kever on earth shows how important it is.

    From what I understand, the soul has multiple levels (Naran”chai) and I think it’s the nefesh or at least part of it that stays with the body in the kever but is connected to the rest of the soul that goes to shemayim, so that serves as the conduit. If you want an exact source for that let me know and I’ll ask around where it is on the inside.

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