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    Clairvoyant
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    There is a different kesuba for besula’s and those that are not. If a Kalla who is not receives a kesuba written for a besula, is her marriage kosher? And if so, is her kesuba kosher?

    #762807

    Ask a rov. I think it is, why can’t she get extra money on her kesuba? The problem is if its less money

    #762808

    Clairvoyant
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    What if she never informed him of her status, and he only found out after?

    #762809

    aries2756
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    It is the same Kesuba, but the wording might change. I doubt if anyone informs anyone these days, and I highly doubt that anyone’s kesubah is changed these days. It is usually a standard Kesubah bought in a store. No Rav asks questions and no information is offered. The only place left blank is the date, names and place for eidim to sign.

    #762810

    WolfishMusings
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    If a Kalla who is not receives a kesuba written for a besula, is her marriage kosher?

    Yes, provided her husband knew about it beforehand.

    And if so, is her kesuba kosher?

    Again, yes, provided that the husband knew the true situation beforehand.

    What if she never informed him of her status, and he only found out after?

    Then you may have a case of a mekach ta’us and a rav should be consulted. If the husband has no post facto complaints there is no reason the marriage cannot continue* and there is a high degree of probability that the kesubah would still be valid anyway.

    The Wolf

    * Barring kohen – zonah/g’rusha issues.

    #762811

    ZachKessin
    Member

    I do know that when my wife and I got married we had a hard time finding a ketubah in Meah Sharim (Its her second marriage, my first).

    As I recall the difference is only a few words.

    #762812

    Clairvoyant
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    Then you may have a case of a mekach ta’us and a rav should be consulted. If the husband has no post facto complaints there is no reason the marriage cannot continue* and there is a high degree of probability that the kesubah would still be valid anyway.

    If it is a mekach ta’us the marriage itself is invalid, so how can you say there is a possibility the kesuba would be valid?

    #762813

    yogibooboo
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    the only thing different is that they dont write the word “besulta” however they say it. but they will say it at the chuppah so as not to embarass the kallah

    #762814

    Clairvoyant
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    however they say it. but they will say it at the chuppah so as not to embarass the kallah

    They will say it even at a woman’s second marriage when it is obvious to all she is not one?

    #762815

    WolfishMusings
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    If it is a mekach ta’us the marriage itself is invalid, so how can you say there is a possibility the kesuba would be valid?

    Because, if when he finds out, he has no complaints, he may agree to accept the higher kesuba payment anyway. On those grounds, I would think that it’s possible that the kesuba is valid. OTOH, I recognize that it’s entirely possible that they may need a new kesuba anyway.

    The Wolf

    #762816

    yogibooboo
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    clairvoyant-you didnt say if it was a second marriage or not

    #762817

    ItcheSrulik
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    I’m currently learning kesuvos with a rabbi who has had shimush in the topic. He said that the wording in the kesuba changes slightly but the common practice is to give a kesuba for the full amount and the husband has in mind to be mochel.

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