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  1. zahavasdad
    Member

    Actually where are your facts, I gave you the facts that the top 15 websites were not schmutz (You can argue you dont like some of them, but thats another issue, they are not schmutz)

    You are just repeating same statement without anything to back it up.

    In facts it was said here 10's of marriages were destroyed by the internet, what if I said Hundreds of marriages were created by sites like J-Date. Thousands of Jobs were created because of internet sales etc.

    (And these are NOT exxagerations, I know ALOT more people who gets their parnossah than marriages that were broken up even if I dont know the reason)

    Posted 12 months ago #
  2. zahavasdad
    Member

    It is certainly wishful thinking that every malady affecting the charedi community is caused by the internet

    Did the internet cause people to go OTD (This has been happening forever ever hear of the Haskala)

    Did the internet cause people to have financial troubles because they are in Kollel

    Did the interent cause the Shidduch crisis (In fact its helping with sites like J-date)

    Did the internet cause people to Bittul Torah, trust me if it wasnt for the internet, people would find another reason to be Bittul Torah and Bittul Zman

    Did the Interent cause the abuse crisis

    Posted 12 months ago #
  3. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    I gave you the facts that the top 15 websites were not schmutz

    That's a very misleading fact. It says nothing about how much time is spent on shmutz, of which there are far more sites. It also doesn't account for how much damage is caused by even a "small" amount of time spent on shmutz.

    You should argue, according to your faulty logic, that abuse is not a big issue because most abusers have at least 15 activities which they do more often than abuse children.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  4. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    In facts it was said here 10's of marriages were destroyed by the internet,

    Only 10's? We all wish that were true.

    I know ALOT more people who gets their parnossah

    Internet for business use is not assur. Why do you keep implying that anyone assered it for parnassah, when that is not true?

    Did the internet cause people to go OTD (This has been happening forever ever hear of the Haskala)

    Yes, and yes.

    Did the internet cause people to have financial troubles because they are in Kollel

    There's no reason for you to bring your anti-kollel bias into this discussion.

    Did the interent cause the Shidduch crisis

    Not as the term "shidduch crisis" is commonly used.

    Did the internet cause people to Bittul Torah

    Big time.

    Did the Interent cause the abuse crisis

    Probably not. Although it's certainly possible that some abusers got ideas from the internet.

    You make it seem as if the gedolim think that everything was perfect in the world until the internet came along. You know that's not true, but I don't understand why you can't recognize that it has caused huge problems and that we must learn how to use it more responsibly.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  5. jbaldy22
    Member

    @DaasYochid i am thankful that you finally showed your true colours. you are not engaging in what most people would call a civilized debate and instead are randomly attacking people. I dont have to continue arguing with you because you continue to make my case for me. you have obviously never dealt with otd kids before - otherwise you would know that by and large every thing u said is false. you keep on creating a straw man and attacking it ferociously despite the fact that you are well aware that my position and zahavasdad's position are not what you say they are. Lastly, contrary to what you believe the gedolim do not actually agree with your position and the biggest proof of that, which you still have not responded to is that they did not allow this pamphlet to be handed out by the asifa.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  6. jbaldy22
    Member

    'In most of these cases there would likely be a problem with or without the internet.
    Again, you made that up. You don't see the problems (you're not a rov or marriage counselor), so you're projecting your wishful thinking on the facts.'

    zahavasdad did not make this up i have worked with many otd kids and adults and i can tell you that the biggest problems have been the educational system, the parents, and some times immaturity on the part of the kids. the internet is a very small factor. you in fact are the one who has been projecting his wishful thinking as you keep on "wishing" for the internet to be the problem when it is not. i am sure that if u volunteered your time to work with such people you would drastically change your opinion on the subject. it is a good thing the rabbonim by and large have not taken your tact in dealing with this crisis.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  7. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    jbaldy22,

    Your position and zahavasdad's position are not the same.

    I am not claiming, nor did ever claim, that the problem begins and ends with the internet (for the umpteenth time). Talk about a straw man.

    I don't know why the brochure wasn't given out by the asifa, I assume that you do, so please inform.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  8. jbaldy22
    Member

    @DaasYochid
    according to what i heard which is slightly hearsay - i have not confirmed this myself through any reliable sources - rav mattisyahu saw the booklet prior to the asifa and rejected it due to some of its content. this would be very much in line with my opinion. i liked what the booklet did in regards to descriptions of filters - and this part was kept for the flatbush internet asifa. my point was that the booklet gives a false impression of what the problems are and is in fact not in line with what most rabbonim i have spoken to believe. it is also in direct opposition to the tone of the speeches given by rav mattisyahu in bmg prior to the asifa. the asifa was not supposed to be about scare tactics or hyperbole which is why such a thing had no place by the asifa. it was supposed to be a moment of achdus and tefilla not a moment of kannaus. i still believe that the tenor of the arguments here should be toned down a bit but maybe thats just because im too old-fashioned.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  9. apushatayid
    Member

    Rabbi Reisman Shlit"a summed it up IMO at the Flatbush Asifa when he said, this is about keeping good kids good (and his added point that kids is a euphamism for "us" - adults). There is no reason why a good kid should be exposed to something he should not when precautions can be put in place that they are not, therefore take precautions to ensure they are not. Is it foolproof, no, nothing is ever foolproof, someone determined to get his/her fill of things they should not, will always find a way to do so. As Rabbi Reisman stated, we are not talking about protecting "those" type of "kids", they can go elsewhere to get their fill of things we don't want them to. But to serve it up on a platter, in our own homes, to good kids who are not really looking for it.....

    People lock the door to their house when they are not there (even when they are) despite statistics that show most homes are not burglarized, why is this "lock" any less important. If someone knew that their neighbor c'v was burglarized, even if it was a single home out of thousands in the neighborhood, they would be worried about the locks on the windows and doors. The analogy is obvious. All else is hyperbole that deflects the conversation from where it belongs.

    Once all hyperbole (the big bad internet creates problem x and issue y and so on) is removed from the equation, it is a simple discussion. There is a chance that one may be exposed to something they should not. The yetzer hara in this area is a strong one, and he is a wily charachter. Take precautions.

    I suppose it is fun to debate hyperbole, but in a serious discussion, it has no place.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  10. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    jbaldy22,

    Please understand that my cynical tone was not directed at you, but at a poster who is in denial that there is an issue, as a pattern of railing against anything associated with chareidim.

    I received an email from BHI, which is an organization led by R'Chaim Kohn Shlit"a, with a link to the brochure, so I am working under the impression that distributing this is a good thing.

    Rav Reisman Shlit"a, in his pre Shavuos drasha, employed "scare tactics". Many of the stories I pasted were from an article with Rav Viener Shlita"s byline.

    I have no reason to think "scare tactics" won't possibly save some families.

    That's even if you are correct that R' Mattisyahu decided that Citi Field wasn't the time and place for it.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  11. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    ZD,

    According to statistics which I read, 10% of the adult population in the US is addicted to shmutz, and double that number admit that they regularly visit those sites. The actual number (considering the fact that many won't admit it) is unknown.

    Sorry it took so long to get the stats; my filter blocks out a certain important keyword from my search.

    And it's worth it.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  12. zahavasdad
    Member

    In case you were wondering about the 1/3 of internet use was shmutz statement

    The top websites are not schumtz and most of the time on the internet is spent on these sites, however these "statistics" are based on Bandwidth, the amount of data transmitted. Video requires alot more bandwidth than anything else. So someone spending 5 mins on Youtube will use alot more bandwidth than someone on YWN for 20 mins.

    Most webtime is spent on sites log YWN , ESPN, FB etc normal sites not schmutz, but they dont use the bandwidth.

    And if you think this is only about schmutz being banned, Watch the video of Rabbi Pesach Krohn and see which websites he condemed and no it wasnt schmutz

    Posted 12 months ago #
  13. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    ZD,

    You haven't addressed the statistics I showed you that many people are addicted to shmutz sites.

    And although I didn't hear R' Krohn's speech, there are certainly websites which are not referred to as "adult", yet certainly are very problematic, YouTube is one of them, and social networking, which might have the #1 ratings, is very dangerous and was rightfully assailed.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  14. shlishi
    Joseph

    Rabbi Krohn is correct that those "Jewish" websites should be blocked by the filters.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  15. zahavasdad
    Member

    Rabbi Krohn singled out YWN and VIN as the sites the worst sites especially the CR.

    As far as 10% of the people being addicted to schmutz, I dont know if these stats are true, what is the definition of "addiction" if someone constantly looks at schmutz all day everyday that is a problem.

    If someone looks at schmutz once a month are they an "addict".

    If we are so keen on fighting schumtz addiction, why arent we putting the same effort into fighting Alcholism, Gambling, Smoking, Food (There are probably more than 10% of frum people overweight) , Shopping , smoking, Drugs etc

    And many of these behaviors are alot worse than schumtz addiction

    Posted 12 months ago #
  16. zahavasdad
    Member

    Most of the videos on youtube are actually fairly boring, stuff like people falling, Baby Laughing and other similar stuff

    I actually also use it for travel (There are tons of travel videos there) , before I went to Italy last year I saw a few videos on what to see there.

    And if you are into Daf Yomi, Its there too

    Posted 12 months ago #
  17. zahavasdad
    Member

    In case you want to hear and watch the Satmar Rebbe

    Look for

    Historical Footage Satmar Rebbe Reb Yoel Teitelbaum

    Posted 12 months ago #
  18. jbaldy22
    Member

    @apushatayid i happen to have really liked r' reismans speech. i did think though that some of the stuff he said was a bit naive - ie. the part about windows and bios passwords working because banks use passwords. also while i agree with him that the focus is on the good kids, it is very difficult to protect them even using the measures he described because chavra chavra is lei and google seems to be a great chaver. it didnt take me too long to figure in my head how i would circumvent such security measures and i am by no leaps or bounds a computer genius. it is also quite difficult to filter for many people because of business purposes. ultimately i think there are really 3 different issues in regards to the internet problem which have to be dealt with as such - the parents, younger kids, and teenagers vhamayvin yavin. all in all though he did a great job of informing people of difficult concepts in a concise manner and i think that is the best anyone could hope for.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  19. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    ZD,

    Do you feel that being overweight or smoking is worse than viewing highly inappropriate material on the web (or anywhere else)?

    Posted 12 months ago #
  20. zahavasdad
    Member

    Yes its worse to be overweight or be a smoker, those things can kill you physically

    Obesity is alot more than 10% of the frum community (probably close to 50%)

    I dont know smoking rates, its probably higher in Israel than it is in the US as in the US smoking is highly looked down upon

    Posted 12 months ago #
  21. zahavasdad
    Member

    And just for the record, At the asifa, they did NOT promote filters they promoted banning.

    One a side note there was a blogger Haredi and Proud, Many of the more modern bloggers mocked his views. After the asifa the blogger decided to shut down the blog. It was the modern bloggers who were most upset and came to his defense. They may have disagreed with him, but they liked to see his opinion and felt it needed to be presented.

    Back to Youtube, yes there are videos that might be innapropriate, but youtube only puts out what you put in. If the Charedi crowd stops uploading videos to youtube, such videos as the Satmar Rebbe, Daf Yomi and other charedi oriented videos will disappear or be posted by people with more anti-charedi videos. I for one will miss those videos.

    People claim about the Anti-Charedi bias, the way to fight it is to show stuff like that , It words for Chabad and they have good websites. It can certainly work for Satmar and BMG.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  22. Csar
    Joseph

    And just for the record, At the asifa, they did NOT promote filters they promoted banning.

    Absolutely wrong. Every fifth word at the asifa was "filters, filters, fiters". From almost every speaker, the Litvish and the Chasidish.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  23. zahavasdad
    Member

    Absolutely wrong. Every fifth word at the asifa was "filters, filters, fiters". From almost every speaker, the Litvish and the Chasidish.

    Watch the video again.....

    Posted 12 months ago #
  24. Csar
    Joseph

    I was there. From beginning to end. In person. (And I saw the replay.) K'mat every single speaker said filters.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  25. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Yes its worse to be overweight or be a smoker, those things can kill you physically

    I guess spiritual destruction doesn't bother you. What a shame.

    Posted 12 months ago #
  26. zahavasdad
    Member

    You are driving down the highway and there is a big billboard right in front of you with Shmutz, There is no way to avoid looking at it as you cannot take you eyes off the road.

    Obviously you cannot filter this image...What is your solution.

    I was at the asifa too and I DEFINATLY heard the Skullner Rav and the Rav From Belgium (Diznger ??...Sorry I forgot his name) condem the internet as the Tumah of Egypt and the Chochma of Behamois

    Posted 12 months ago #
  27. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    You are driving down the highway and there is a big billboard right in front of you with Shmutz, There is no way to avoid looking at it as you cannot take you eyes off the road.

    Billboards are not in the middle of the road, they're off to the side.

    I was at the asifa too and I DEFINATLY heard the Skullner Rav and the Rav From Belgium (Diznger ??...Sorry I forgot his name) condem the internet as the Tumah of Egypt and the Chochma of Behamois

    ... and therefore, since you think they're too fanatical, we should not object to shmutz?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  28. zahavasdad
    Member

    There is a difference between objecting to Schmutz and supporting a filter.

    Filters will filter out alot more than just Schumtz.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  29. zahavasdad
    Member

    DY According to Pesach Kron, this website (YWN) needs a Filter and is no better than Schmutz

    Do you agree with this statement?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  30. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Filters will filter out alot more than just Schumtz.

    That depends on the filter and the settings.

    You lock your door, even though it takes longer to get in the house.

    According to Pesach Kron, this website (YWN) needs a Filter and is no better than Schmutz

    Do you agree with this statement?

    I didn't hear every drasha of his, so I can't disagree that he said it.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  31. apushatayid
    Member

    I disagree with Rabbi Krohn in one small way. He says it is no better than shmutz. I say it is worse than shmutz.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  32. ZeesKite
    Aquilone Dolce

    Yes, I agree. No one should be reading my intelligent remarks. As my Rebbe, HaRav Shmuel (Kuda) said, it fills your mind with fantasy.. how childish..

    Posted 11 months ago #
  33. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    I say it is worse than shmutz.

    Are you referring to the CR?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  34. zahavasdad
    Member

    The Pesach Krohn video was not a Drasha, it was filmed in the stands at Citifield before the Asifa

    Posted 11 months ago #
  35. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Deadly Attraction

    107 Trillion.

    With a “T.”

    No, we’re not talking about the federal deficit. We’re talking about the number of e-mails that were sent over the past decade. That averages nearly 30 billion e-mail messages per day. Admittedly, the vast majority of those are junk mail, receipts and automatic responses, but there are still plenty of messages left over to keep people busy all day.

    Add to that 152 million blogs, 25 billion Twitter messages that are sent out per year, 50 billion notices on Facebook per month, 2 billion videos viewed on YouTube per day, over 5 billion photos already posted on Flickr, another 36 billion pictures that are uploaded to another popular site each year, the over 366 million websites now in existence and millions more that are being added each year. The above information should give you an idea of how many billions of hours are being spent on nonsense or worse by the estimated 2 billion internet users around the globe. It should also bear witness to the terrible addiction which results from connecting to this universe of information.

    These statistics should also go a long way toward explaining why no self-respecting Jew who is aware of his elevated status and purpose in this world has any business wiring his mind to the rest of the world’s population. If so many precious hours are being wasted by the general population, how many Jewish hours were lost?

    Just how addictive is the internet? Studies have been performed to discover how strong the attraction is. In one such survey, a majority of participants responded that they would sooner give up all of their other interests and pleasures rather than give up the internet. Another study of 20,000 people in 20 developed countries showed that 73% would give up alcohol to keep the internet. 10% were prepared to give up driving to retain internet access. 83% would let go of buying prepared food products….

    Let’s face it. Plenty of internet users readily skip a breakfast, a lunch or a dinner because they cannot tear themselves away from the screen. That means the web is more important to them than nutrition. That is what we call in English an addiction.

    In one extreme case, a couple in Korea would spend 12 hours a day away from home on the internet. They would run home once a day to feed their three-year-old daughter. She died of dehydration and malnutrition. There have been incidents of people who assaulted and even shot others for posting negative comments or embarrassing photos about them.

    One 15-year-old shot his own father after his internet privileges were revoked. The problem of the internet being used by teenagers to attack and ridicule others and the resulting emotional issues has become so alarming that in 2006 the CDC (Center for Disease Control, a federal agency) called a conference to address the crisis.

    While all these cases involve non-Jews, it is important to realize that we are playing the same game of Russian roulette as they are. The consequences cannot possibly lag far behind.

    It has been documented in the medical world that internet users who are blocked access to the web suffer the same physical withdrawal symptoms as hard-core drug abusers. In one case, students were denied access entirely and 79% reported suffering severe edginess and depression. It would be extremely foolish for anyone to convince themselves that they are above internet addiction.

    The Jewish world has suffered its share as well. In one case, several years ago, a man was spending night and day tied to his screen. His wife complained that she could not go on living with a husband like that and he would have to choose between the internet and his family. By then it was too late. He chose the internet.

    But the situation does not have to be so extreme. Even those who do not drop out of life entirely find that the internet has them bound up sufficiently to materially interfere with their lives. When a parent sits down to supper with one hand holding the fork and the other his smartphone, from which he cannot unglue his eyes, that parent may be sitting with the family in a technical sense, but the children realize they are technology orphans. Their emotional needs cannot compete with the lure of the web.

    When a mother sits down with her children in a restaurant and spends the entire time talking on her phone, she is guilty of committing the same crime of abandoning her children. (I only witnessed this recently, but I’m sure it is a daily event.) And if the father must check his phone first thing after arriving home motzaei Shabbos before even bothering to wish his family “Gut voch,” then they are essentially fatherless.

    Technology has also reduced everything we take seriously to the mere butt of a joke. This past Tisha B’Av, by the time we got up from the nighttime reading of Eichah, there were political translations of the Megillah, pictures of various rabbis sitting on their stools and text messages making light of the mourning circulating all over.

    Imagine what the Seder night would look like had the Torah not have forbidden melachos that include the use of electronic items. The father in his kittel would interrupt his recital to e-mail a clip of the youngest reciting “Mah Nishtana” with that cute lisp. The account of our slavery and delivery from Mitzrayim would take second place to the texts poking fun at the most meaningful aspects of the evening.

    This widespread irreverence completely undermines our chinuch. It is has eroded our most basic values and created an atmosphere in which nothing we preach is taken seriously. It is destroying us as a nation of servants of Hashem in a way that nothing we have ever faced before could have done.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  36. zahavasdad
    Member

    In the words of Peseach Krohn anyone who posts here (the comments section) should not get Aliyot, And Should be put in Cherem.

    And we should force the bloggers shut down

    Posted 11 months ago #
  37. gavra_at_work
    ^caution

    In one extreme case, a couple in Korea would spend 12 hours a day away from home on the internet. They would run home once a day to feed their three-year-old daughter. She died of dehydration and malnutrition.

    Sounds like one of the Gedolim stories, where the Gadol stayed in Bais and almost dies becuase he was too busy learning to go home & eat. I like their strength of mind, even if it is misplaced. Imagine what they could have done if they were in the Bais Medresh instaed of on the internet!

    The account of our slavery and delivery from Mitzrayim would take second place to the texts poking fun at the most meaningful aspects of the evening.

    Instead it takes second place to useless pilpul (a pet peeve of mine).

    Posted 11 months ago #
  38. jbaldy22
    Member

    @DaasYochid and here we go again people are not addicted to the internet or technology - people are addicted to socializing and information and that is what the internet provides. "In one case, students were denied access entirely and 79% reported suffering severe edginess and depression" i saw the same study - it is because they feel shut off from the world - as if they were put in solitary confinement - again not a sign that they are addicted to technology just a sign they are addicted to socializing which is a natural human thing. the word addiction is overused and most people who use it have no idea what they are saying. also the irreverence doesnt come because of the internet it comes because we are all socially connected so things spread much easier. this article misconstrues facts and presupposes its conclusions. there is a case to be made that the internet is a problem - this is not it. this continues the thread of hyperbole that exists throughout this pamphlet.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  39. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    jbaldy22,

    Google "internet addiction" and see if the author of this article is the only one who thinks this way (hint... not by a long shot).

    Posted 11 months ago #
  40. jbaldy22
    Member

    DaasYochid,

    actually if you read some of the articles that come up in a a simple google search you will see much that actually supports my conclusions. the internet has become a way of life for many people - imagine not being able to talk to your wife the whole day, not being able to get directions to where you need to go, not being able to find recipes to make supper, not being able to know whether you are making or losing money etc. people who are separated from the internet feel cut off from the world - and understandably so. the author of this article engages in oversimplifications to prove his point - which seems for this part of the article to say that it is an overall bad thing which must be curbed - in addition it is unclear what percentage of the population actually experiences such symptoms. do some research on the topic, read through the raging debate about it in the psychology field about it - it seems that there is as of now no clear cut evidence that it is in fact an addiction.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  41. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    it seems that there is as of now no clear cut evidence that it is in fact an addiction.

    The point is, that whether it's technically an addiction or not (is there a debate that there are people who are addicted to shmutz?), it acts like an addiction, so what's the difference?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  42. jbaldy22
    Member

    @DaasYochid if its not an addiction and what people are really "addicted" to is socializing, business, information and basically life in general that sort of does take the teeth out of the argument - yes people have been wasting time since time existed since time was invented. the internet just provides them with an easier outlet to do so. the solution is to be more careful with time management and be more productive not accuse the internet of being the problem. my issues with the internet pertain to shmiras enayim related issues alone and i resent the attempt to make it into an all consuming boogey man. i could go through this particular piece line by line and show you how the claims do not logically follow. arguing against the usefulness of the internet in my opinion is just plain ridiculous and that is precisely what this piece tries to do. the headline is "deadly attraction" and you still think that the author is not engaging in hyperbole.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  43. zahavasdad
    Member

    What is Schmutz Addiction

    Almost nobody sits and watches Shmutz 12 hours a day even teenage boys, so is someone who watch Schmutz 15 mins a day an addict?

    How about someone who watches once a week or once a month?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  44. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    arguing against the usefulness of the internet in my opinion is just plain ridiculous and that is precisely what this piece tries to do

    It is NOT arguing against the usefulness, but against the relative benefit (except for basic parnassah needs) against the downside.

    I find it hard to debate you when you (in my opinion) mischaracterize the opposing argument.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  45. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    How about someone who watches once a week or once a month?

    Still horrible, but either way, the term addiction has a meaning beyond the amount of time spent.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  46. jbaldy22
    Member

    @zahavasdad i am sure there are very few people who smoke for 12 hours a day so that means they arent addicted?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  47. zahavasdad
    Member

    My point is "Schmutz Addiction" is greatly exaggerated and if you listen or watch to Pesach Krohns speech you will get to the real issue of the internet. He and many others do not like blogs that critize, some critisim is unwarranted but some isnt. Criticism for the sake of critism is bad. But Constructive Critism could be a good thing

    The other thing that I think is an issue, is "New Stuff". I used to know a Rav who would only sing Niggunim he knew in Europe, didnt matter where the new Niggun came from, he refused to sing it. In pre-war Hungary many did not even use buttons because they were "New" (They used Draw string shirts).

    Many yeshivas are against Art Scroll Gemorah because they are New and have english, so if someone would have SHAS on an iPad they would still be against it and insist you use a traditional Gemorah.

    But they cant say these things, so they say Schmutz . Schumtz Schmutz.

    Its very easy to condemn schmutz as most people really arent for it.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  48. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Many yeshivas are against Art Scroll Gemorah because they are New

    No, that's NOT why they're against it.

    He and many others do not like blogs that critize, some critisim is unwarranted but some isnt. Criticism for the sake of critism is bad. But Constructive Critism could be a good thing

    The vast majority violate the halachos of lashon hora. But I think you're right that it's a major issue with the internet, and one that is actually openly addressed, not obfuscated as you erroneously suggest. See my next post, from the brochure.

    And shmutz really is a very big issue, because aside from the fact that it's more common than you'd like to admit, it's really, horribly, terribly bad for your neshama, even if only viewed a little bit.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  49. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    World Fair

    Imagine that once each a year a major international fair is held at the Javitz Conference Center in Manhattan. People from all over the world get together for several days to share business ideas, exchange news, meet friends
    and just enjoy themselves. For the sake of equality, everyone dresses similarly and wears a name tag that may or may not reflect the name they go by at home.

    It sounds like a wonderful thing, cultural dissemination and all. But after the first year, the reputation the conference earns is not as rosy as its promoters would like to have the unsuspecting public believe. Sure, there’s plenty of business opportunities being exchanged, people find themselves jobs and all, but the breakdown of normal social boundaries has led to an atmosphere of general debauchery that would make anyone from the previous generation blush.

    Would a Jew be permitted to attend such an event? That conference is now taking place every nanosecond and it’s bringing together 2.3 billion anonymous people from around the world. You can access it anytime, anywhere (to paraphrase the favored slogan of the US Army’s Special Forces). The worst aspects of humanity are being shared and everyone knows that it has a tawdry reputation. A Jew who enters this crowd can circulate without his yarmulke, with no identifying features to brand him as a member of the holy nation. It may take only seconds for someone to forget their inner connection with their people under such circumstances. The setting encourages some to display their knowledge, others their sense of humor, and yet others their ability to mock authority. The irreverent attitude is all-pervasive. And since no one knows who you are, there is nothing to worry about, no one to be embarrassed of. Studies have shown that the written word is often taken at face value when the same idea would have been rejected outright had it been presented orally. The articles, observations, notes and blogs read on the internet come from people whose opinions would mean nothing to us if we met them in person and knew who they were. Yet every wild statement posted on the internet sears itself into the mind of its viewers.

    Nor are the “Jewish” news sites any better. Perhaps they are far worse, as they present the opinions of the infamous self-haters, the dropouts from our community who are not satisfied to leave the frum life behind them but must take cheap pot shots at the community as well.

    We are so careful not to eat food until we see at least some sort of hechsher. We may even refrain from buying a sefer until we see a haskama (approbation) from a familiar rabbinical name. How is it then that we can trust ourselves to study the words of people whose beliefs and guiding principles are directly at odds with everything we hold dear?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  50. DaasYochid
    a singular mind

    Assimilated Jews—You and Me?

    We have read the stories of the impossible trials of keeping Shabbos in America during the early part of the previous century. The greenhorns who came from Europe were immediately mocked by the established Jews who told them there was no future for religion in the New World. Those who ignored the derision, the daring few, soon discovered that the words they had been told were a reality. There was no way to find a job if one insisted on keeping Shabbos. And so a new Jew developed, Jews who would wear a yarmulke and keep kosher but go to work on Shabbos. There were hashkama minyanim for the workers to finish the longer Shabbos morning prayers early enough to reach their jobs in time for the opening of the doors.

    Looking back with the hindsight of over 50 years, we find it difficult to comprehend. We understand that the temptation was overwhelming, but how could a person consider themselves an Orthodox, practicing Jew if they were transgressing Shabbos?!

    Imagine what future generations will say of us in 50 years. “I can’t understand it. How could you consider yourself a respectable Jew when you were using the internet without a filter? I understand that the temptation was unbearable, you could not support yourself without it (?), but still— a frum Jew on the internet?!”

    Stop and think about it. Are we not guilty of allowing ourselves to lose the most important aspects of our Jewish identity, even as we keep Shabbos and kashrus, even as we daven and learn, even as we support a Torah infrastructure on a scale the world has never seen before? Are we not turning ourselves into assimilated Jews?

    And if we are to look at the barometer of history, mustn’t we be concerned that our children will soon be lost to the Jewish nation as a result of the internet, just as so many thousands of Jewish children were lost in the melting pot of America as a result of chillul Shabbos?

    At the time, most Jews probably did not even realize that they were sealing their children’s fate by accepting the fact of chillul Shabbos. But we know that there was no hope for Jewish continuity when such a basic mitzvah was being trampled upon, however extenuating the circumstances may have been. Dare we be guilty of making the same mistake, of ignoring such a basic division that protects our unique identity and still believe that somehow the glorious tradition of our past will continue to blossom through our children? Can we afford to be so naïve?

    So much of our nation was lost during the Holocaust because of their refusal to stare the danger in the face and respond appropriately. “It won’t happen to us. It can’t be as bad as they’re making it out. Come on, this is the 20th century. Who really believes such medieval stories today?”

    Instead of taking the eyewitness accounts for the truths that they were and seeking any possible means of escape, these people walked blindly right into the trap that had been set for them—sadly, the very trap they had been warned about by the few survivors who had made it out. So long as we dare to deny the facts, to deny the seriousness of the situation, to ignore the many fatalities that have already occurred, we are allowing ourselves to be drawn blindly into the trap set for us.

    The secular world has already woken up to the fact that the internet is not all fun and games. In China, where internet addiction plagues millions of youths, over 200 boot camps have been set up under military-style control of active soldiers where children are prevented from accessing any technological device whatsoever.

    They must follow a strict daily regimen that includes labor and difficult exercises. Those who broke camp regulations were beaten or subjected to lengthy shock treatment, until several accidental fatalities aroused a storm of protests and the government was forced to crack down.

    While we do not propose setting up a similar rehabilitation system, the intensity of the response by the non-Jewish world should tell us something about the severity of the problem and how it is meant to be handled. We stand to lose much more than any other nation if our identifying features are erased from the next generation. Should we be any less serious than they in our response to the crisis?

    We must begin to admit to ourselves the nature of the disgusting and horrendous trap set for us. We must evince at least the same horror we show when confronted by a harmless spider regarding internet use in our midst.

    Technology is a potent tool. While we have concentrated for the most part on the internet itself, much should also be spoken about the problems inherent in the universal access provided by e-mail, in the constant connection created by cell phone use (without internet), and especially the dangers of text messaging.

    Perhaps in no other area have the guidelines of tznius between living people been crossed, trampled upon and entirely removed. These are all points not only to consider but to act upon. Acting individually will get little done. I can keep the internet out of my home, but that doesn’t guarantee that my children won’t enjoy using it at their friends’ homes. If we work together, however, spreading the message that unfiltered, unrestricted internet is absolutely not an option for anyone, that unnecessary access will not be tolerated, then we can begin ridding our community of the terrible terror network that operates in our midst.

    Our rabbonim have spread the alarm. It is up to us, however, to face the reality and respond accordingly. The fire is burning out of control; it is spreading quickly to our own homes. When we arrive in the World of Truth and are held accountable for our apathy, we will not be able to say that we had not been warned.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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