January 27, 2013 3:05 am at 3:05 am #607963
After waking up, how far can one walk before washing negel vasser?
Should negel vasser first be washed if waking in middle of the night for a restroom visit?
January 27, 2013 3:57 am at 3:57 am #925746
1) I think I recall learning like 3/4 steps– don’t take a detour anywhere I.e to get the baby or turn on the lights
2) a. Well you might wantto wash your hands in middle of the night bec just invade you touch your eyes nose or mouth, which aren’t supposed to be touched before you wash
B. If you are going to say Asher yatzar then you must wash negel vasser first.
I just wash nagel vasser whenever I wake up even in middle of night it doesn’t hurt to so why not be “safe”.
January 27, 2013 4:19 am at 4:19 am #925747
Best not to walk more than 4 Amos (6-8 feet). Some hold you can walk the length of your entire house, but the Mishnah Berura is not happy with that shitah.
Then why does NOBODY have Netilas Yadayim next to their bed? Because first thing most people do in the morning is relieve themselves, and its a mitzva to do that first. Next, you wash- and your already in the bathroom.
If you wake up in middle of the night to use the restroom, on the way out you should wash 3 times on each hand.
just ask the rabbi;)
January 27, 2013 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #925748
ya we learnt in the kitzur shulchan aruch 4 amos or feet, i forgot which.. but my fam x hold by the kitzur shulchan aruch.. we hold by a dif sefer.. a/o know which? but if ur a boy u x either walk 4 amos or feet w/o a yarmulka… that x havta do w a/t!!
also i think if u wake up in the middle of the night and wana take a drnk u x havta wash if its water and u x touch the cup.. like someone holds iit for u.. if ur sick or s/t..
January 27, 2013 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #925749
Why isn’t negel vasser when you wash the tips of your fingers/nails at mayim achronim?
January 27, 2013 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #925750
Because you have to get the “shedim” to leave your hands by outing water all over them and the way they leave is out through the fingertips
January 28, 2013 6:56 am at 6:56 am #925751
I know that, but negel vasser should not be referring to the time you must wash your entire hands up to the wrist
January 28, 2013 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #925752
KZ- fingertips is the bare minimum. The minhag is to wash to the wrists.
January 29, 2013 1:34 am at 1:34 am #925753
January 29, 2013 3:18 am at 3:18 am #925754
See Shulchan Halevi hebrew version.
January 29, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #925755
I was once told by someone that Rav Neventzahl said in the name of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach that there is an oral tradition going back to the Gra that Avraham ben Avraham’s sacrifice tremendously weakened the cochos hatumah in the world, to the point where one does not have to be makpid on 4 amos. Incredulously, I asked one of Reb Shomo Zalman’s sons about this, and he confirmed it to me!
January 29, 2013 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #925756
I do prepare negel vaser for my kids by their beds, rather they do it on their own now. But if they wake up in the middle of the night, they usually forget to wash negel vaser and asher yatzar. If i wake up from them, I will call out ‘dont forget to wash asher yatzar’.
January 29, 2013 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #925757
That is very interesting. Though the Mishna B’rura says not to rely on those Shitos. (first page of Mishna B’rura)
January 29, 2013 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #925758
Miritchka- it’s fine if they don’t wash when they wake up in middle of night if tere not eating or touching food etc if there just using the bathroom it’s fine I’m trying to findthe source I read it from
January 29, 2013 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #925759
If only the nations of the world could read this thread, they would see what a wise and discerning nation we are and immediately want to become like us.
January 29, 2013 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #925760
I learned in a shiur last night that the origin of the idea of doing negel vasser comes from Ki Sisah, where we discuss the mitzvah of making a Kiyor Nechoshes (copper sink)for the kohanim to wash their hands (and feet) prior to going to the mizbeyach to do the avoda. Anybody else hear that before?
January 29, 2013 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #925761
I heard about after the bathroom to wash newel vasser not just soap and water
January 30, 2013 3:01 am at 3:01 am #925762
oomis:that is the shiita of the Rashba who says that a person is a briya chadasha and one should wash like a kohen does. The Rosh holds because one could have touched an uncovered part of his body while sleeping,and then there is the issue of Ruach Raa(which a bracha was not instituted for). A good nafka mina would be if one would wear mittens to sleep does one make a bracha,this has been discussed already.
Superme:It depends if we hold that our bathrooms have ruach raa or not. Rav Moshe discusses this.
January 30, 2013 4:41 am at 4:41 am #925763
This machlokes the Rosh and Rashba is misunderstood by most people. There are really two parts to the equation:
1) The bracha ‘Al Netilas/Netilat Yadayim’,
2) The act of washing your hands
The machlokes Rosh and Rashba is refering to the bracha. There are at least four reasons for washing, brought by the Magen Avraham.
January 30, 2013 5:11 am at 5:11 am #925764
I asked one of Rav Shlomo Zalman’s sons as well, (in Beitar) and he confirmed the messorah, but also said that its not to be relied upon l’halacha.
January 30, 2013 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #925765
superme: my children are very young and even if they dont have to, i want them to get used to washing negel vaser
In regards to washin gnegel vaser after the bathroom, I was taught to wash each hand 3 times until recently someone told me that all you have to do is wash your hands, not mechuyav to wash 3 times on each. So, should i start just washing, or am i supposed to wash 3 times on each hand? Am i now mechuyav to wash 3 times due to my always washing 3 times on each hand more than a chazaka?
January 31, 2013 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #925766
Miritchka: it is interesting to note that people who wash their hands three times after the bathroom sometimes wash their hands in the bathroom.This is a problem if you hold that the bathroom contains ruach raa then you have to wash three times outside of the bathroom because if not then it defeats the whole purpose of getting rid of the ruach raa.To daven, the hands have to be washed outside of the bathroom or at least dried outside the bathroom.
January 31, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #925767
Perhaps they don’t hold it contains such a ruach. So, then, it isn’t a problem.
January 31, 2013 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #925768
Miritchka- I think u misunderstood me I didn’t say you don’t have o chas vishalom I said when you wake up just to go to bathroom it’s ok not to wash unless you want to het a drink or something like that in the morning wen u wake up u must is that clear or no?
Um so u did it 3X we learnt if it’s a mitzvah then yeh it’s like a Neder if not then it’s fine so i don’t know if it’s a mitzvah to do 3 on each hand isn’t negel vasser 7??
Might wnt to ask a rav if it’s a Neder otherise just gather 3 men (if ur married can’t b husband) and follow the rules of breaking a Neder.. Please let me know wat happens thnks
January 31, 2013 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #925769
Sam4321 ask ur LOR about it but it doesn’t seem rift at all u might of gotten facts mixed up
February 1, 2013 12:31 am at 12:31 am #925770
Superme: anything is possible check the Igros Moshe about washing ones hands.
February 1, 2013 4:06 am at 4:06 am #925771
I’ll try but where in it? U also look It up and if u find it please quote it thnk u
February 1, 2013 5:24 am at 5:24 am #925772
I learnt the Igros Moshe a while ago.It is Igros Moshe EH 1:114,he says that todays bathrooms are a safek bais hakissai and one cannot wash in a bathroom for a meal,one could wash his hands in the bathroom for davening as long as they are dried outside.It is certainly more preferable to wash outside.
Also see Rivevos Ephraim(talmid of Rav Moshe ) 6:3:1.
February 1, 2013 6:04 am at 6:04 am #925773
Shraga18: That oral tradition is written in Rav Nebontzols commentary on the Mishna Brurah (it is a blue and silver sefer).
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