A6KB, whether you want to admit it or not, the fact that you bothered saying goodbye says something. There was always an option to email a mod and you chose this. Again, I wish you hatzlacha in everything.
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Itzik,
Then why is your farewell taking so long. Can it possibly be you are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, completely sure of your assertions?
I don’t mean to antagonize you.
Your decision is still fresh- think, think, think. It’s what you do best. Think about this “pulling out”…- areivim
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A600KiloBear you sound like you haev been through a lot in life. I can only imagine the pain and hardships that you have and are enduring. But ask yourself this and if you struggle with the answer that means that you still believe there is master for this complex world.
If you truely belive that there is no reward and punishment than please agree to pass to me all the rewards for your good deeds past, present and future. And in turn you will take all the sins that I have and continue to accumulate in life. Its a win win situation. I win because I will leave this world with many rewards and no sins and you will lose nothing since after all you don't believe in this anyway.
So can you please agree to give me all your rewards and take my sins?
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Deal, Helpishere. I have no expectation for reward or fear of punishment anymore. I once bet my chelek in olam haba on the Super Bowl when I first learned about olam haba years ago in day school.
As for the goodbye it was a technical error on my part and I should have done it through the mods.
This is my last, my very last, post here. Sorry but I must move on and let you live as well.
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you really don't believe in G-D?! (what happened to the BS"D on top of every post?!!
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So, A600KiloBear, do we have a deal? (if your thinking about this than you still have a spark in your JEWISH neshama. Don't forsake Hashem. People are bad, and corrupt, but Hashem is not. Before you "leave" Judaism read Rabbi Keleman's works: Permission to Believe and Permission to Recieve. You can also read a Garden of Emuna.
First read those and after you have truely educated yourself and looked at both sides of the argument can you make a wise decision. It's your life, don't mess up.
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helpishere- I'd like to welcome you (being that after all is said, this is the welcoming thread). But you're not new. So- a thank you from the CR for stepping in.
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albert einstein used "thought experiments" as part of his methodology.
heres one for you:
if youre not afraid of the truth take it seriously
it just takes a minute, but you have to use some effort to really feel yourself to be in the situation:you are in a locked booth
there is a large lever
you can pull the lever towards the left, if you believe that you were formed by the random motion of atoms and their components over billions of years
you can pull the lever to the right if you believe you were created by the planning of an intelligence.
if you pull the lever to the side that is false, the booth will blow up
if you pull the lever the side of the truth the door of the booth will be open and you will be set free
if you do nothing, in 3 minutes the booth will blow up
you have no time for rationalizing, you can only do what your heart tells youreally try to experience this, dont just think about it, try to live it and get in touch with the inner you.
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feivel- thank you; I knew you'd come through. Didn't you once mention you were a professor on atheism?
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im not a professor of anything, B"H.
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Left.
Just as I said once that I would have rather gone to the gas singing Ani Maamin than lived only to sing Hatikvah in a soccer stadium, I would do what I believe is true and that is the end of it.
The following is a later edit by the poster, after Feivel's all-cap response:
edit i did not read that. I have no problem with the existence of a creator who set the world in motion; I just do not believe any higher power runs the world now or that we must worship this creator or creating force.Posted 5 years ago # -
I DONT BELIEVE YOU
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You were right because I did not read properly. See above. I'd probably try to bust out of it and if not I'd choose right. The existence of a creator does NOT mean the existence of a deity who presently controls the world.
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"The existence of a creator does NOT mean the existence of a deity who presently controls the world."
could be i suppose, ,purely on a logical basis, that one one does not necessarily imply the other, or maybe it does, id have to give some long and deep thought on that.
thank you for being honest.
good beginning.feivel
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Intelligent design. OK, that's something. The Clockmaker who went away. It is an old argument, and many of the world's most highly respected scientists believed it - including Isaac Newton. feivel, I doubt that it has ever been disproven on a purely logical basis. It certainly has many shortcomings, but I can only see the next step (that G-d is "assah, oiseh, v'yaaseh) as a leap of faith.
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squeak you misunderstood my post
i was responding to this statement: "The existence of a creator does NOT mean the existence of a deity who presently controls the world."
this statement implies that the existence of a creator does not necessitate that there is currently an actively controlling diety.
my response was maybe *the fact of a creator* does and maybe it doesnt absolutely imply *current control*
A maybe implies B. i have to think about itthat the clockmaker is still here is emminently provable by logic. i dont believe in leaps of faith
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Even if evolution had been completley disproven (wich it most defenitly has not been! on the contrary just about evrey expert in the natrual sciences and evrey leading authority in the natrual sciences say it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt) and the watchmaker argument was a valid argument it still wouldnt mean anything.
The idea that we, one small group of one species on one planet out of probably hundreds of billions of planets, cirling one star out of BILLIONS of stars, in one galaxy out of BILLIONS of galaxies, in a universe so massive that even if we were to travel at the speed of light for hundreds of millions of years we would not even cross a fraction of it, are the reason this universe is here seems to be an extreme leap of faith.
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To claim that you, a human can logicly deduce the reasons why a being capable of making a universe like ours would do so from observing your little world which is smaller then you can imagine when compared to the size of the universe. (infinitly smaller then the period at the end of this sentence is when compared to the entire solar system just to give you a concept of what we are talking about.) Seems laughable to say the very least.
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We are not going to have another long debate about evolution in this thread. If anyone wants to repeat the evolution debate please start a new thread or continue in General Shmooze2. This will be the last post about evolution in this thread
"Even if evolution had been completley disproven (wich it most defenitly has not been! on the contrary just about evrey expert in the natrual sciences and evrey leading authority in the natrual sciences say it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt)"
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Andy McIntosh Full Professor of Thermodynamics and Combustion Theory University of Leeds (UK)
Mark A. Robinson Ph.D. Environmental Science Lacrosse University
Tom McMullen Ph.D. History & Philosophy of Science Indiana University
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Christopher D. Beling Associate Professor of Physics The University of Hong Kong (China)
Art Nitz Ph.D. Anatomy & Neurobiology University of Kentucky
Thomas Milner Associate Professor of Biomedical Engineering University of Texas, Austin
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David Monson Ph.D. Analytical Chemistry Indiana University
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Bridget Ingham Ph.D. Physics Victoria University of Wellington (New Zealand)
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Kevin L. Kendig Ph.D. Materials Science & Engineering University of Michigan
Robert Newman Ph.D. Astrophysics Cornell University
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Khawar Sohail Siddiqui Senior Research Associate (Protein Chemistry) University of New South Wales (Australia)
Janet Parker Professor of Medical Physiology Texas A&M University, Health Science Center
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Christopher Morbey Astronomer (Ret.) Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics, National Research Council of Canada
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Charles D. Johnson Ph.D. Chemistry University of Minnesota
J. Ishizaki Associate Professor of Neuropsychology (M.D., Ph.D. Medicine) Kobe Gakuin University (Japan)
David Rogstad Ph.D. Physics California Institute of Technology
Mark Shlapobersky Ph.D. Virology Bar-Ilan University (Israel)
Arthur John Jones Ph.D. Zoology & Comparative Physiology Birmingham University (UK)
Patricia Reiff Director, Rice Space Institute Rice University
Oleh Havrysh Senior Research Assistant, Protein & Peptide Structure & Function Dept. Institute of Bioorganic Chemistry & Petrochemistry
Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences (Ukraine)
W. Christopher Schroeder Associate Professor of Mathematics Morehead State University
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Dan Reynolds Ph.D. Organic Chemistry University of Texas, Austin
Andrew Steckley Ph.D. Civil Engineering University of Western Ontario (Canada)
Terry Rickard Ph.D. Engineering Physics University of California, San Diego
Arlen W. Siert Ph.D. Environmental Health Colorado State University
Mubashir Hanif Ph.D. Plant Biology University of Helsinki (Finland)
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Richard Buggs DPhil Plant Ecology & Evolution Oxford University (UK)
Theodore Saito Ph.D. Physics Pennsylvania State University
Kay Roscoe Ph.D. High Energy Particle Physics University of Manchester (UK)
Thomas Saleska Professor of Biology Concordia University
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Harold Toups Ph.D. Chemical Engineering Louisiana State University
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Andrew Schmitz Ph.D. Inorganic Chemistry University of Iowa
Anne E. Vravick Ph.D. Environmental Toxicology University of Wisconsin, Madison
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Richard A. Strong Ph.D. Chemistry Northeastern University
Marshall Adams Ph.D. Marine Sciences University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Stephen Sewell Assistant Professor of Family Medicine Texas A&M University
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Gregory Shearer Ph.D. Physiology University of California, Davis
Douglas Nelson Rose Research Physicist United States Army
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Paul Lorenzini Ph.D. Nuclear Engineering Oregon State University
Dale Spence Emeritus Professor of Kinesiology Rice University
David W. Dykstra Ph.D. Computer Science University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Arnold Sikkema Associate Professor of Physics Dordt College
Larry S. Helmick Senior Professor of Chemistry Cedarville University
Georgia Purdom Ph.D. Molecular Genetics Ohio State University
John Silvius Ph.D. Plant Physiology West Virginia University
Philip S. Taylor Research Fellow, Computer Science Queen’s University Belfast (UK)
Fred Skiff Professor of Physics University of Iowa
Giulio D. Guerra First Researcher of the Italian National Research Council (Chemistry) Istituto Materiali Compositi e Biomedici, CNR (Italy)
Ken Smith Professor of Mathematics Central Michigan University
Audris Zidermanis Ph.D. Nutrition & Molecular Biology Texas Woman’s University
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Robert Smith Professor of Chemistry University of Nebraska, Omaha
Fred Van Dyke Professor of Biology and Chair of the Biology Department Wheaton College (Illinois)
Ian C. Fuller Senior Lecturer in Physical Geography Massey University (New Zealand)
Wolfgang Smith Emeritus Professor of Mathematics Oregon State University
Wayne L. Cook Ph.D. Inorganic Chemistry University of Kentucky
John Stamper Research Physicist Naval Research Laboratory
Alfred Tang Visiting Scholar (Ph.D. Physics, University of Wisconsin, Madison) The Chinese University of Hong Kong (China)
Jeffrey L. Vaughn Ph.D. Engineering University of California, Irvine
Timothy Standish Ph.D. Environmental Biology George Mason University
Robert W. Kopitzke Professor of Chemistry Winona State University
William Hankley Professor of Computer Science Kansas State University
Walt Stangl Associate Professor of Mathematics Biola University
John C. Walton Professor of Reactive Chemistry (Ph.D. & D.Sc.) University of St. Andrews (UK)
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Michael Strauss Associate Professor of Physics University of Oklahoma
Jason David Ward Ph.D. Molecular Biology and Biochemistry Glasgow University (UK)
Scott A. Renner Ph.D. Computer Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
John Studenroth Ph.D. Plant Pathology Cornell University
Peter M. Rowell D.Phil. Physics University of Oxford (UK)
Mark Swanson Ph.D. Biochemistry University of Illinois
João Jorge Ribeiro Soares Gonçalves de Araújo, Assistant Professor, Department of Mathematics Open University (Portugal)
Rafi Ahmed Ph.D. Computer Science University of Florida
James Swanson Professor of Biological Sciences Old Dominion University
Wade Warren C.J. Cavanaugh Chair in Biology Louisiana College
Justin Holl Ph.D. Animal Science University of Nebraska, Lincoln
Bela Szilagyi Ph.D. Physics University of Pittsburgh
Richard Mann Ph.D. Physical Chemistry Princeton University
Daniel Tedder Associate Professor, Chemical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology
Derek Linkens Senior Research Fellow and Emeritus Professor (Biomedical Eng.) University of Sheffield (UK)
Charles Thaxton Ph.D. Physical Chemistry Iowa State University
Lee M. Spetner Ph.D. Physics MIT
Christopher L. Thomas Ph.D. Analytical Chemistry University of South Carolina
Douglas C. Youvan Former Associate Professor of Chemistry (Ph.D., U.C., Berkeley) MIT
Sture Blomberg Associate Professor of Anesthesia & Intensive Care Medicine The Sahlgren University Hospital (Sweden)
Pavithran Thomas Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering Ohio State University
Leonard Loose Ph.D. Botany University of Leeds (UK)
Richard Thompson Ph.D. Computer Science University of Connecticut
D. Albrey Arrington Ph.D. Wildlife & Fisheries Sciences Texas A&M University
Stephen Lloyd Ph.D. Materials Science University of Cambridge (UK)
James R. Thompson Noah Harding Professor of Statistics Rice University
Denis M. Boyle Ph.D. Medical Biochemistry University of Witwatersrand (South Africa)
Ide Trotter Ph.D. Chemical Engineering Princeton University
Kevin E. Spaulding Ph.D. Optical Engineering University of Rochester
Royal Truman Ph.D. Organic Chemistry Michigan State University
Robert VanderVennen Ph.D. Physical Chemistry Michigan State University
Tibor Tóth Professor of Product Information Engineering (D.Sc. Hungarian Academy) University of Miskolc (Hungary)
Nigel E. Robinson Ph.D. Molecular Biology University of Nottingham (UK)
Vincente Villa Emeritus Professor of Biology Southwestern University
Margil Wadley Ph.D. Inorganic Chemistry Purdue University
Clifton L. Kehr Ph.D. Chemistry University of Delaware
Carston Wagner Associate Professor of Medicinal Chemistry University of Minnesota
Karl Heinz Kienitz Professor, Department of Systems & Control Instituto Technologico de Aeronautica (Brazil)
Linda Walkup Ph.D. Molecular Genetics University of New Mexico Medical School
James Tumlin Associate Professor of Medicine Emory University
David Van Dyke Ph.D. Analytical Chemistry University of Illinois, Urbana
John Walkup Emeritus Professor of Electrical & Computer Engineering Texas Tech University
Tom Belanger Professor of Environmental Science Florida Institute of Technology
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Robert Waltzer Associate Professor of Biology Belhaven College
James R. Brawer Professor of Anatomy & Cell Biology (Ph.D., Harvard) McGill University (Canada)
Todd Watson Assistant Professor of Urban & Community Forestry Texas A & M University
Weimin Gao Microbiologist Brookhaven National Laboratory
Woody Weed Mechanical Engineer, Science & Technology Division Sandia National Labs
Heikki Martikka Professor of Machine Design Lappeenranta University of Technology (Finland)
Gerald Wegner Ph.D. Entomology Loyola University
Richard R. Neptune Associate Professor, Department of Mechanical Engineering University of Texas, Austin
Jonathan Wells Ph.D. Molecular & Cell Biology University of California, Berkeley
Alexandre S. Soares Ph.D. Mathematics Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (Brazil)
Robert Wentworth Ph.D. Toxicology University of Georgia
James Wanliss Associate Professor of Physics Embry-Riddle University
Einar W. Palm Professor Emeritus, Department of Plant Pathology University of Missouri, Columbia
R. P. Wharton Ph.D. Electrical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology
Sandra Gade Emeritus Professor of Physics University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Elden Whipple Affiliate Professor of Earth & Space Sciences University of Washington
Chee K. Yap Professor of Computer Science (Ph.D., Yale University) Courant Institute, New York University
Mark White Professor of Chemical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology
Charles Detwiler Ph.D. Genetics Cornell University
Terrance Murphy Professor of Chemistry Weill Cornell Medical College
Ed Neeland Professor of Chemistry Okanagan University
Gregg Wilkerson Ph.D. Geologic Science University of Texas, El Paso
Joseph M. Marra Director, Interventional Radiology, & Adjunct Professor of Medicine Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center
Ken Pascoe Ph.D. Electrical Engineering Air Force Institute of Technology
John H. Whitmore Associate Professor of Geology Cedarville University
Ernest L. Brannon Professor Emeritus, Distinguished Research Professor (Ph.D. Fisheries) University of Idaho
Miroslav Hill Former Director of Research Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (France)
Christopher Williams Ph.D. Biochemistry Ohio State University
Georg A. Speck Ph.D. Biology, Molecular Pharmacology University of Heidelberg (Germany)
J. Mitch Wolff Professor of Mechanical Engineering Wright State University
Thomas D. Gillespie Research Professor Emeritus Transportation Research Institute, University of Michigan
John Worraker Ph.D. Applied Mathematics University of Bristol (UK)
Alexander Yankovsky Assistant Professor of Physical Oceanography Nova Southeastern University
John C. Zink Former Assistant Professor of Engineering University of Oklahoma
Patrick Young Ph.D. Chemistry Ohio University
David Zartman Ph.D. Genetics & Animal Breeding Ohio State University
Charles T. Rombough Ph.D. Engineering University of Texas
Henry Zuill Emeritus Professor of Biology Union College
Jane M. Orient Clinical Lecturer in Medicine University of Arizona College of Medicine
Frank Young Ph.D. Computer Engineering Air Force Institute of Technology
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Scott R. Fulton Ph.D. Atmospheric Science Colorado State University
Don Olson Ph.D. Analytical Chemistry Purdue University
Graham Marshall Ph.D. Analytical Chemistry University of Pretoria (South Africa)
Philip R. Page Ph.D. Theoretical Particle Physics University of Oxford (UK)
Roger Wiens Ph.D. Physics University of Minnesota
Mark Toleman Ph.D. Molecular Microbiology Bristol University (UK)
Robert O. Kalbach Ph.D. Physical Chemistry University of South Florida
Gregory J. Brewer Prof. of Neurology, Medical Microbiology, Immunology and Cell Biology Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
Neil Huber Dr. rer. nat. (Ph.D. Anthropology) Tuebingen University
Marc C. Daniels Assistant Professor of Biology William Carey College
J.D. Moolenburgh Ph.D. Epidemiology University of Rotterdam (The Netherlands)
Roger Lien Ph.D. Physiology North Carolina State University
Dean Schulz Ph.D. Computer Science Colorado State University
John Millam Ph.D. Computational Chemistry Rice University
Joseph Lary Epidemiologist and Research Biologist (retired) Centers for Disease Control
Richard S. Beale, Jr. Ph.D. Entomology University of California, Berkeley
Ernest M. Thiessen Ph.D. Civil & Environmental Engineering Cornell University
Tianyou Wang Research Scientist Center for Advanced Studies in Measurement & Assessment, University of Iowa
Øyvind A. Voie Ph.D. Biology University of Oslo (Norway)
David K. Shortess Professor of Biology (Retired) New Mexico Tech
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William P. Shulaw Professor of Veterinary Preventive Medicine The Ohio State University
Darrell R. Parnell Ph. D. University Level Science Education Kansas State University
Daniel W. Barnette Ph. D. Aerospace Engineering Stanford University
David William Jensen Professor of Biology Tomball College
Edward M. Bohn Ph. D. Nuclear Engineering University of Illinois
Robert G. Vos Ph.D. Civil/Structural Engineering Rice University
Yvonne Boldt Ph. D. Microbiology University of Minnesota
William B. Collier Ph. D. Physical Chemistry Oklahoma State University
Edward Gade Professor Emeritus of Mathematics University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
James E. Nymann Emeritus Professor of Mathematics University of Texas at El Paso
Malcolm A. Cutchins Ph. D. Engineering Mechanics Virginia Tech
Lisanne D’Andrea-Winslow Ph. D. Cell Biology & Biochemistry Rutgers University
Holger Daugaard Ph. D. Agronomy Danish Institute of Agricultural Sciences (Denmark)
Shieu-Hong Lin Assistant Professor of Computer Science (Ph.D., Brown University) Biola University
W. John Durfee Assistant Professor of Pharmacology Case Western Reserve University
Dominic M. Halsmer Ph. D. Mechanical Engineering UCLA
Charles B. Lowrey Ph.D. Chemistry University of Houston
Jeffrey H. Harwell Ph. D. Chemical Engineering University of Texas, Austin
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David Heddle Ph. D. Physics Carnegie Mellon University
Yoshiyuki Amemiya Professor of Advanced Materials Science & Applied Physics The University of Tokyo
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A. Cordell Perkes Ph.D. Science Education Ohio State University
John D. Cook Head of Software Development (Ph.D. Mathematics, U.T. Austin) Department of Biostatistics & Applied Mathematics, U. of Texas, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
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Charles G. Sanny Prof. of Biochemistry Oklahoma State University Ctr. for Health Sciences
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Gordon L. Wilson Ph.D. Environmental Science and Public Policy George Mason University
Robin D. Zimmer Ph.D. Environmental Sciences Rutgers University
Karl Duff Sc.D. Mechanical Engineering MIT
David Jansson Sc.D. Instrumentation and Automatic Control MIT
C. Steven Murphree Professor of Biology Belmont University
Alfred G. Ratz Ph.D. Engineering Physics University of Toronto (Canada)
Chris Cellucci Associate Professor of Physics Ursinus College
Gary Maki Director, Ctr. for Advanced Microelectronics and Biomolecular Research University of Idaho
Ronald S. Carson Ph.D. Nuclear Engineering University of Washington
Joseph A. Strada Ph.D. Aeronautical Engineering Naval Postgraduate School
Olaf Karthaus Associate Professor, Chemistry Chitose Institute of Science & Technology (Japan)
Arnold Eugene Carden Professor Emeritus of Engineering Science & Mechanics University of Alabama
John B. Marshall Professor of Medicine University of Missouri School of Medicine
Robert B. Sheldon Ph.D. Physics University of Maryland, College Park
B. K. Nelson Research Toxicologist (retired) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Hansik Yoon Ph.D. Fiber Science Seoul National University (South Korea)
David Conover Ph.D. Health Physics Purdue University
Luis Paulo Franco de Barros D.Sc. Mechanical Engineering Pontificia Universidade Católica (Brazil)
Richard W. Pooley Professor of Surgery (retired) New York Medical College
Arthur Chadwick Ph.D. Molecular Biology University of Miami
Lennart Saari Adjunct Professor, Wildlife Biology University of Helsinki (Finland)
Douglas G. Frank Ph.D. Surface Electrochemistry University of Cincinnati
James G. Tarrant Ph.D. Organic Chemistry University of Texas, Austin
N. Ricky Byrn Ph.D. Nuclear Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology
Jeffrey E. Lander Ph.D. Biomechanics University of Oregon
Curtis Hawkins Asst. Clinical Professor of Dermatology Case Western Reserve Univ. School of Medicine
Mary A. Brown DVM (Veterinary Medicine) Ohio State University
Thomas H. Marshall Adjunct Professor, Food Agricultural and Biological Engineering Ohio State University
Charles H. McGowen Assistant Professor of Medicine Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Ronald R. Crawford Ed.D. Science Education Ball State University
Matti Junnila DVM, Ph.D. Veterinary Pathology University of Helsinki (Finland)
Dean Svoboda Ph.D. Electrical Engineering The Ohio State University
Ruth C. Miles Professor of Chemistry Malone College
Mark J. Lattery Associate Professor of Physics University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
William McVaugh Associate Professor of Biology Department of Natural Sciences, Malone College
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David B. Medved Ph.D. Physics University of Pennsylvania
Theodore W. Geier Ph.D. Forrest Hydrology University of Minnesota
Christian Heiss Post-Doctoral Associate Complex Carbohydrate Res. Ctr., Univ. of Georgia
G. Bradley Schaefer Professor of Pediatrics University of Nebraska Medical Center
Bruce Simat Associate Professor of Biology Northwestern College
Teresa Gonske Assistant Professor of Mathematics Northwestern College
Thomas Mundie Dean of the School of Science & Technology Georgia Gwinnett College
Scott S. Kinnes Professor of Biology Azusa Pacific University
James A. Huggins Chair, Dept. of Biology & Dir., Hammons Center for Scientific Studies Union University
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Michael R. Egnor Professor and Vice-Chairman, Dept. of Neurological Surgery State University of New York at Stony Brook
I. Caroline Crocker Ph.D. Immunopharmacology University of Southampton (UK)
Donald J. Hanrahan Ph.D. Electrical Engineering University of Maryland
Gintautas Jazbutis Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology
Paul S. Darby Ph.D. Organic Chemistry University of Georgia
Changhyuk An Ph.D. Physics University of Tennessee
L. Kirt Martin Professor of Biology Lubbock Christian University
Gerald Schroeder Ph.D. Earth Sciences & Nuclear Physics MIT
Rod Rogers Ph.D. Agronomy/Plant Breeding Iowa State University
David W. Herrin Research Assistant Professor in Mechanical Engineering University of Kentucky
Glen Needham Associate Professor of Entomology The Ohio State University
E. Byron Rogers Professor of Chemistry; Chair, Dept. of Mathematics & Physical Sciences Lubbock Christian University
Vladimir L. Voeikov Vice-Chairman, Chair of Bio-organic Chemistry, Faculty of Biology Lomonosov Moscow State University (Russia)
Ricardo Leon Dean of School of Medicine Autonomous University of Guadalajara (Mexico)
Eugene C. Ashby Regents’ Professor and Distinguished Professor Emeritus Georgia Institute of Technology
JoAnne Larsen Assistant Professor of Industrial Engineering University of South Florida, Lakeland
Douglas Axe Director (Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, California Institute of Technology) Biologic Institute
Joel Brind Professor of Biology Baruch College, City University of New York
William F. Basener Associate Professor of Mathematics Rochester Institute of Technology
L. Whit Marks Emeritus Professor of Physics University of Central Oklahoma
Jan Peter Bengtson Associate Professor (M.D., Ph.D. Intensive Care Medicine) University of Gothenburg (Sweden)
Perry Mason Professor of Mathematics and Physical Science Lubbock Christian University
Timothy A. Mixon Assistant Professor of Medicine Texas A&M University
Lawrence DeMejo Ph.D. Polymer Science and Engineering University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Charles Garner Professor of Chemistry Baylor University
Lynne Parker Professor of Computer Science (Ph.D. MIT) Distributed Intelligence Lab, University of Tennessee
Ivan M. Lang Ph.D. Physiology and Biophysics Temple University
David J. Lawrence Ph.D. Physics Washington University, St. Louis
John G. Hoey Ph.D. Molecular and Cellular Biology City University of New York Graduate School
Theodore J. Siek Ph.D. Biochemistry Oregon State University
John P. Rickert Ph.D. Mathematics Vanderbilt University
Christian M. Loch Ph.D. Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics University of Virginia
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Jan Frederic Dudt Associate Professor of Biology Grove City College
Glenn A. Marsch Associate Professor of Physics Grove City College
Eduardo Sahagun Professor of Botany Autonomous University of Guadalajara (Mexico)
Mark A. Chambers Ph.D. Virology University of Cambridge (UK)
Daniel Howell Ph.D. Biochemistry Virginia Tech
Joel D. Hubbard Associate Professor, Dept. of Lab. Science and Primary Care Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center
C. Roger Longbotham Ph.D. Statistics Florida State University
Hugh L. Henry Lecturer (Ph.D. Physics, University of Virginia) Northern Kentucky University
Jonathan D. Eisenback Professor of Plant Pathology Dept. of Plant Pathology and Weed Science Virginia Tech
Eduardo Arroyo Professor of Forensics (Ph.D. Biology) Complutense University (Spain)
Peter Silley Ph.D. Microbial Biochemistry University of Newcastle upon Tyne
E. Norbert Smith Ph.D. Zoology Texas Tech University
Peter C. Iwen Professor of Pathology and Microbiology University of Nebraska Medical Center
Paul Roschke A.P. and Florence Wiley Professor, Dept. of Civil Engineering Texas A&M University
Luman R. Wing Associate Professor of Biology Azusa Pacific University
Edward F. Blick Ph.D. Engineering Science University of Oklahoma
Wesley M. Taylor Former Chairman of the Division of Primate Medicine & Surgery New England Regional Primate Research Center, Harvard Medical School
Don England Professor Emeritus of Chemistry Harding University
Wayne Linn Professor Emeritus of Biology Southern Oregon University
James Gundlach Associate Professor of Physics John A. Logan College
Guillermo Gonzalez Associate Professor of Astronomy Iowa State University
Tim Droubay Ph.D. Physics University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Gregory D. Bossart Director and Head of Pathology Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution
Barry Homer Ph.D. Mathematics Southampton University (UK)
Jiøí Vácha Professor Emeritus of Pathological Physiology Institute of Pathophysiology, Masaryk University (Czech Republic)
Richard J. Neves Professor of Fisheries, Dept. of Fisheries and Wildlife Sciences Virginia Tech
David Deming Associate Professor of Geosciences University of Oklahoma
Gregory A. Ator Associate Professor, Department of Otolaryngology University of Kansas Medical Center
Erkki Jokisalo Ph.D. Social Pharmacy University of Kuopio (Finland)
John S. Roden Associate Professor of Biology Southern Oregon University
Donald W. Russell Adjunct Assistant Clinical Professor University of North Carolina School of Medicine
Neil Armitage Associate Professor of Civil Engineering University of Cape Town (South Africa )
Geoff Barnard Senior Research Scientist, Department of Veterinary Medicine University of Cambridge (UK)
Richard Hassing Ph.D. Theoretical Physics Cornell University
Olivia Torres Professor-Researcher (Human Genetics) Autonomous University of Guadalajara (Mexico)
Donald A. Kangas Professor of Biology Truman State University
Alvin Masarira Senior Lecturer for Structural Engineering and Mechanics University of Cape Town (South Africa)
George A. Ekama Professor, Water Quality Engineering, Dept of Civil Engineering University of Cape Town (South Africa)
Alistair Donald Ph.D. Environmental Science/Quaternary or Pleistocene Palynology University of Wales (UK)
Thomas C. Majerus PharmD; FCCP University of Minnesota
Ferenc Farkas Ph.D. Applied Chemical Sciences Technical University of Budapest (Hungary)
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Rodney M. Rutland Department Head & Associate Professor of Kinesiology Anderson University
Alastair M. Noble Ph.D. Chemistry University of Glasgow (Scotland)
Robert D. Orr Professor of Family Medicine University of Vermont College of Medicine
Laverne Miller Clinical Associate Professor of Family Medicine Medical College of Ohio
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Terry W. Spencer Former Chair, Department of Geology & Geophysics Texas A&M University
Bert Massie Ph.D. Physics University of California, Los Angeles
Mark C. Porter Ph.D. Chemical Engineering MIT
S. Thomas Abraham Assistant Professor of Pharmacology & Toxicology Campbell University School of Pharmacy
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Anita McElroy Ph.D. Biology University of California, San Diego
Herman Branover Professor of Mechanical Engineering Ben-Gurion University (Israel)
Martin Krause Research Scientist (Astronomy) University of Cambridge (UK)
James G. Bentsen Ph.D. Chemistry M.I.T.
Charles N. Delzell Professor of Mathematics (Ph.D. Stanford) Louisiana State University
Curtis Hrischuk Ph.D. Electrical Engineering Carleton University (Canada)
Guang-Hong Chen Assistant Professor of Medical Physics & Radiology University of Wisconsin-Madison
Doug Hufstedler Ph.D. Animal Nutrition Texas A&M University
Justin Long Ph.D. Chemical Engineering Iowa StatePosted 5 years ago # -
The above list goes on. The software would not accept the complete list, there is apparently a character limit.
The above signers had the courage and/or professional security to be able to sign such a statement. There are probably thousands more who would sign if they weren't afraid of ridicule and professional repercussions from the fanatic evolutionists who will not tolerate free thought.
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Strangely enough, I know or knew one of the signators personally (unless the signator is someone of the same name and a similar position) from the early 90's when he was trying to augment his low university salary by trading in textiles in Moscow.
And I don't understand how the topic of evolution was ever brought up in response to my post.
I don't know either, I certainly didn't bring it up...80
I don't even pretend to know whether evolution as described by Darwin is correct. Accepting evolution and denying the presence of a deity do not necessarily go hand in hand.In any case, I really would appreciate having my account deleted. My farewell is final; I am different from you and really don't have a place here.
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I wish you Hatzlocho in the future. Always remember Hashem loves you and is waiting with open arms to embrace you back into the fold. I am sure your friends and aquaintances and all of us in the CR can say the same.
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Is anyone of us not different than another? Is the Morrocan the same as the Italian Jew? The Syrian the same as the Hungarian Jew? The Yemenite the same as the Yerushalmi?
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BS"D
I am going to stick with it for a little while longer, at least another Shabbos until Chai Elul or maybe until a couple of days before Rosh Hashanah since I might want to go away for Yom Tov no matter what.
If I have the same empty feeling I've had, and feel as uncomfortable as I have been feeling around all these families with children, and finally realize once and for all that I am totally different from people who believe, then I will have to move on in peace.
That is kind of what I think will happen but I have to go through the motions anyway right now so I might as well try to see if I can work things out.
On the other hand if I am either able to speak to someone or otherwise decide once and for all that it is true, then the only damage that was done is that some people read something online written under a screen name that I hardly use for anything else (except AIM which I have removed because it is so Web 1.0 LOL), and people have done much worse and stayed in the community in the end.
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R' Itzik
You could never do damage, even supposing that everyone knows who you are. No matter how far you might choose to travel away from Yiddishkeit, anytime you return you are 100% full fledged member of Am Yisrael. As you said, there are plenty of examples of this.
Have you ever considered finding a new setting? 'Change the place, change the mazal'. If you are uncomfortable where you are, perhaps there is a different place with more people who ARE like you.
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squeak: this, seems to me to concern a great deal on the single status, and feeling part of the community whilst unmarried. Perhaps direction on that point, by someone who may be knowledgeable, could be of great assistance.
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A600KiloBear - we're sorry to see you leave. If you want to stop by for a quick L'chayim on the "Alocholic mixes" thread - please feel free to do so anytime. It'll be my greatest kovod!
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A600KiloBear, if you're don't like the "feeling <you get> around all these families with children" then maybe you should go to a community where this is not the emphasis. If its the location that makes you uncomfortable, change the setting! Don't throw everything aside b/c of other people.
I know the pain and the uneasy feeling of being around people with large families, and the negativety associated with those that don't want or are unable to have families. The pain is a test, and if its the people that make you uncomforbale than find another Jewish community that will make you comfortable.
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alcoholic mixes?? now that is a real coffee thread! Nezdrovie-cholent! (absolut is my favorite..well, maybe some good glenfiddich is also good!)
where is that thread?Posted 5 years ago # -
rob: click for liquor
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Itzik,
You are most definitely not different from people who believe in H-shem.
Those who have emuna are as varied a bunch as you will find anywhere in the world.
-there is the sheltered and unworldly-wise family whose social interaction is only among other kolel and rabeim’s families.
-there are Chasidim whose speech and thought are in Yiddish, and whose world revolves around their chassidus.
-there is the suave and polished businessman who effortlessly blends in with his WASPy business associates.
-there are those who have been professionally trained to debunk missionaries and therefore know much more of other religions than the average Jew does.
-this just scratches the surface. We haven’t even begun to discuss other countries and their Jewish cultures.Based on the level of knowledge, sophistication and humor in previous posts, you are very worldly-wise and capable of fitting in with the secular world.
You have the smarts and experience to do a lot of good.You can no more disassociate yourself from your Jewishness than you can from your humanity.
One can tattoo one’s skin pitch-black, alter his features with cosmetic surgery, have body-hair implanted and spend his days swinging from vines and eating bananas – he will still be a human being no matter how often he insists that he is a gorilla.As the portion of the tefila from the yomim nora’im that I posted earlier states, one is never too far gone for teshuva.
There are battles won and lost throughout life, but the war isn’t over until one’s last breath is drawn.
This works both ways – one can always come back, but one can also always stray. As Yochanon Kohain Gadol and Achair showed, even a very high spiritual level is not a guarantee of safety from the yetzer hora, whose guises include doubt and a weakening of emuna. As an earlier poster said, if a lightning-bolt descended from the sky when a Jew bit into a cheeseburger, and a kolel family had $1,000 appear on their table daily there wouldn’t be much bechira (choice). Nobody - not me, nor anyone else – passes every test or can guarantee they will live a full life as a yorai shomayim.I urge you (you can substitute the word “plead” as well) to speak to a real-world person about your situation and your thoughts. One of the negatives of being a smart and inquiring person is that you may come up with questions and reasoning that can cause a weakening of emuna. Rather than let it eat away at you, it should be discussed with a person familiar with the questions and how to address them.
I wish you much hatzlocha.
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Welcome back out to Anonymisss! Stick around!
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600kilobear, I felt similarly as an older single. You're not alone in feeling alone. The feelings went away when I got married, along with many questions of faith.
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Itzik,
The fact that you are willing to stick it out just a bit more... I am awed.
That's exactly how we're advised to fight the yetzer horah- telling ourselves we will fight just one more battle, one more hour, day, week... YOU CAN DO IT.
I really have complete faith in your abilities.As some members have already pointed out, it had occurred to me that "mishaneh makom, mishaneh mazel" seems to apply well in your case.
From the many stories you've shared, it sounds like the place where you live requires a herculean will and effort just to stay frum.
Your situation is inevitable. We are only mortal humans.I will reiterate that I am awed that you are putting up a fight.
What we’re suggesting is big- a change in surroundings, culture, job etc. But what is happening to you now is even bigger- much bigger. I’m not one to tell you what to do with your life, but please consider the option. Do some research. Ask around. Create connections. You can even post your questions in the CR regarding different communities.
We’d like to help if we can.Much Hotzlocha, Itzik. We look forward to hearing from you.
Don’t lose hope- don’t give up the fight.
We are davening for you.
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BS"D
Not so much of an effort to stay frum (in fact the lack of availability of junk and processed kosher food here helps me stay healthy) but the very opposite in fact - a very strong community which is like a fishbowl for a private person like me who does not put marriage and family ahead of career and does not like admittedly well meaning people to poke into his personal or even business life.
The only other alternative for me in the present economy is working in India while living in EY, and the prospect of living in EY, which is an even bigger fishbowl, is really not for me.
At least here I live far from the shul and can stay home if I want, behind my double doors and far from anyone from the community. It is only in shul and on Shabbos that the questioning and kibitzing starts and if I decide to I can live with that.
In EY your neighbor is (usually) Jewish and feels he has a need to know everything about you and to waste your time with stories and questions. On my last trip to Tverya I literally had to scream at a strange woman for peeking over my laptop screen in a hotel lobby - in EY looking over someone's shoulder is not considered rude but in civil society it sure is. (You don't want to know what I screamed at her in Yiddish to send her scurrying away in fear LOL!).
Living in India is going a little too far in terms of remaining private. Then again if there is a shul and a rav it might be enough for me if need be, at least temporarily.
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You sound like an exiled New Yorker. No wonder you are miserable.
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itzik-
one thing you have to admit is nowhere else will people who don't know you be upset youre leaving their beliefs. No other nation would everyone be crying and praying when 6 people in India who they don't know are trapped.Posted 5 years ago # -
BS"D
A very happily and voluntarily exiled New Yorker. The only thing I miss from NY (or EY) is the ability to buy sforim, Jewish music albums, tzitzis in my preferred size, and Sukkos and Pesach necessities easily. The rest we have here.
I needed to come back to NY to recharge 4 years ago and stayed and worked 2 years instead of just sitting and learning for 2 - 4 months which would have been a much better plan.
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Itzik,
I hear the problem with nosy people. And I agree it is a terrible middah.
But that is a separate issue. That is not the core of the problem. In my limited capacity, I can't imagine that being THE cause here...I don't mean to be nosy (not funny), but can we take this apart?
1. You are an older single
2. You live somewhere in the Ukraine area
3. You value your privacy- extremely
4. You have big questions regarding faith
5. You are an intelligent & intellectual person
6. You have been in this matziv before
7. There is a major (bad) influence in your life which you mentioned you've walked away from in the pastThis is all I (think I) know- I'm sure there's much much more.
To tackle each point:
1. There is a lot of stigma and pressure regarding "older singles" in the Jewish communities. THIS REFLECTS NO FAULT OF YOURS.
Every older single goes through big nisyoinos. They don't win every battle, some don't win the war. But Hashem DOES give the koiyach to win. It's up to you.
A lot has to do with perspective and emunah.2 & 3. Living in a secluded close knit Jewish community is what causes this "fish bowl" you describe. There is nobody else to rely upon- you only have each other. Moving to a metropolis of Jews will ironically offer you the privacy you seek- even though it may be more "closed in" or "crowded with Jews" or "narrow minded", you will most likely be less "bothered". And you will also most probably be very close to major business areas.
4 & 5. GET THEM ANSWERED. You are not G-d (sorry). We all have questions- don't let them fester until explosion time. Please.
If you find it difficult having deep personal conversations with a Rov and revealing your doubts, try starting online. There are numerous websites that offer "ask the Rov". Shoot away- ask every question you have. They will direct them to the most appropriate party. And if you are not satisfied with the answers, that does not mean there isn't a more satisfying answer available.
** If it took you all this research, knowledge and time to come up with the question- then it will take at least that much to come up with the answer!6 & 7. I've taken the liberty to surmise that this person still has an effect on you; and that here lies the core of the situation. I can not speak further as I don't have any other info regarding this matter. But if I am correct, then it is high time to remove yourself from this person's reach and influence. You are only human and as such, you're not above influence.
Yes, I’m darshening about you personal life… and you don’t like when people pry. So what have I done here?
I don’t know.
Do with this post as you wish.All I know is that we care about each other- yes- kol yisroel areivim zeh lazeh. I really believe it.
- areivim
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BS"D
6 & 7 - no, the only effect he has on me is that I found out just this past Shabbos what he is still up to, and well, put it this way, I don't envy his oilam haba. Then I found out where his major donor stands and I don't envy his oilam hazeh either.
2 & 3 - no, I prefer this to NY or EY. If I had felt this way in NY I'd have just run away to another state, changed my name and that would be it. Whatever the problems here, there are many advantages as well. As bad as this is, NY was more of a fishbowl with every storekeeper asking me who I am, where I am from, finding out I am unmarried etc. Here I get everything except what is sold on shul grounds from an anonymous supermarket where a non-Jewish cashier scans my order, takes my card, hello, goodbye. No one looks in my cart, no one looks over my shoulder.
4 & 5 - all ask the rov sites I have tried have referred me to - a live rov LOL!
1 - whatever happens, happens. But I will not be forced into marriage. The pool of shidduchim for me is small and not appealing and it is not as if I can't live alone. If it happens, it happens. If I truly feel happier alone, I will probably look to work in places where I can only be alone, and well, it will be unusual if I stay frum and alone but so be it.
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Itzik,
Regarding privacy, I can't believe what you describe not to be an exaggeration. Every store owner, cashier etc.?? Why don't they give me so much attention ;) You must really stand out of a crowd ;)
Why is it NY, E"Y or the Ukraine... what happened to everything in between?So they referred you to a live Rov- why not try it out? I personally find it much easier to "spill my guts" to an anonymous person than to someone I know well.
Plus- there are some brilliant Rabbonim/professionals who really know their stuff. You can’t lose if you try. You gotta just try.Regarding shidduchim, who is forcing you into anything? You need to find the right one, not just anyone.
"If I truly feel happier alone..."- do you believe that? You do not have control over whether you get married or not, but I don't feel that's the correct or healthy perspective. It's a pronounced shrug. And we all know you didn't really give up yet.Is there any chance of you joining a group of people in a similar situation as yourself? There’s nothing worse than being alone. It is a direct cause for yi’ush… giving up the fight. Don’t seclude yourself, because you really are NOT alone.
- areivim
PS- if you respond to this now, do not think I am ignoring as I need to step away from the CR, most probably for the night. Hatzlocha!
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BS"D
Another very big issue, perhaps the biggest, is that I spent hmm..7 years, during 2 of which I was frum (from 8th grade in a non frum Jewish school through required courses in college), being taught that the Torah was written by man and that basically the Torah view of Hashem is not correct. The logical conclusion to draw from that is atheism; they actually taught that each shem Hashem was the name of a different getschke chas vesholom (and no matter what I don't think that is correct and neither do non believing "Biblical" scholars today; I graduated college in 1988 when the Documentary Hypothesis was taken the way we take Torah meSinai).
It is very hard to forget that, especially when you don't feel 100% comfortable in the community.
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BS"D
Regarding the store owners in the frum world; I am a man who proudly cooks and a technical guy. A butcher or grocer who deals with women all day, or a hardware store man who deals with vexing questions from balebatim who don't know which way to turn a screw, obviously wants to speak to me. And when 2 yidden speak, it begins with Jewish geography and then turns to personal questions. Then the butcher turns out to be related to a close friend and quickly becomes a well meaning shadchan(this actually did happen), the grocer asks me when he's going to sell me candy for my lechaim, etc.
I don't want to live in the US, and Canada where I actually am entitled to citizenship is even less attractive because while the communities are nice the tax system is choking and the weather is very unpleasant. Any other attractive place except EY is closed to me for citizenship reasons; you cannot just show up in an EU country and open a business the way you can in the developing world. Ditto for Australia which is probably the closest Jewish community to the Far East.
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Check that you are unable to move to England. Many Yiden have moved to England because their grandparents were from an E.U country
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BS"D
Why would I want to live in Muslim infested Englandistan? My experience there has not been a good one in terms of either the communities (too formal) or the surroundings (crime plus Islam).
Anyway I have one grandparent who was born in an EU country which probably is not enough.
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Nice to see you're still around A600KiloBear. Having that simple belief in God is a blessing, in my opinion. Sometimes I wonder if people who seem so strong in their faith don't have doubts too. It's hard to believe without proof, but sometimes you see God without looking for him.
The other day I was driving westward during sunset, and the sun was so huge, like a ball of fire. I definitely saw God in that. Sometimes you get inspired and you're so sure He's there, watching over you, and other times you feel a void, like you're stuck in a cold place. Stay strong, and don't take the "yenta" questioning affect how you feel about God. Believing in God's existence has nothing to do with the way you are expected to live your life, by others.Posted 5 years ago # -
Jewess- thank you, that was an inspiration.
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One grandparent born in the EU is enough for you to be able to live in England. I just thought you might find a place that you feel more comfortable living. eg Newcastle Salford or maybe Middlesex.
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BS"D
Salford is Manchester? I would do anything to live in close proximity to Haroun Cohen of Ku Klutz Kartel fame for as long as it took me to make that yitzur feel so unwelcome that he would move to Teheran where he belongs. I could probably do it in 3-4 weeks plus another 60 days as a guest of Her Majesty for cruelty to animals. Probably would be worth it.
Newcastle has a community?
Coming from the US and living in the FSU, I could never get accustomed to the UK.
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BS"D
Thanks for everything and gut Shabbos. I'm probably returning to lurk mode until next Thursday (I work a limited schedule on Friday and a full Sunday so Thursday night for me is like motzash for most people) or even until erev Yom Tov because of my schedule.
I will make my final decision by erev Yom Tov.
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