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I just read yytz’s response from 3 months ago where he said that the traffic fatality rate is higher in the U.S. than in Israel. I was skeptical, but when I looked it up, I found that by three different ways of ranking such things, it’s true (by number of inhabitants, number of motor vehicles, and by km driven). By inhabitants, Israel is surpassed by only a few countries (mostly small islands and Scandinavian countries where everybody probably drives Volvos). Source is Wikipedia article on List of countries by traffic-related death rate.
mw13 – I realize the trail of tears and other grave injustices America brought on the native Americans was a long time ago – I was contrasting it to examples brought by charliehall some of which were equally as long ago.
I think your mention of crimea actually strengthens my point rather than refute it. Putin took over crimea and davka didn’t suffer any consequences! The world made very vocal protests, but on a practical level sat by and didn’t actually lift a finger to stop him. The US and Europe did institute several economic sanctions but as you can see from how beligerant Russia continues to be the obviously can’t be defined as “crippling.”
And no – silicon valley is not always “where the crucial stuff comes from.” Have you noticed how every few months there are headlines about silicon valley firms like Google and Facebook buying up Israeli tech companies like Waze for deals in the tens of millions of dollars? If all the crucial stuff comes out of Silicon valley why don’t they develop it all themselves instead of purchasing Israeli firms who beat them to it? And when it comes to technology there is no “cat out of the bag” New and innovative groundbreaking software is constantly being developed.
So you’d be okay with the US and Europe leveling the same economic sanctions on Israel as they did on Russia for Crimea?
mw13,
You are aware of the funding problems with the UNWRA, are you not?
Your reply to me about the Arab League did not seem to indicate such.
In short, they’re running out of money and there are calls to defund them in the US, who provides a third of their funding.
They are complicit in incitement in their summer camps and textbooks and schools.
They had explosive devices in their buildings last year during the Gaza op that killed IDF soldiers.
Concerned Jews should write their Congressmen to defund UNWRA and get US taxpayers money out of funding terrorist supporting organizations, that contribute, rather than solve, the “Palestinian” problem.
There are lots of refugees, these deserve to be settled in other, rich Arab nations to provide comfort to their own people. It certainly should not be American taxpayers paying for Arab propaganda.
If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
RebYid23,perhaps you know of a chemical solution that could whisk away all the “Palestinians” to Saudi Arabia and Quatar?
Maybe you know of a chemical solution that could be dropped from IDF bombers that would dissolve all the explosives in the UNWRA buildings to prevent casualties to Israeli citizens and the IDF?
IF NOT, YOU”RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
Apparently my second post either didn’t get submitted right or the mods didn’t like it for some reason but b’kitzur since you wanted t see a Torah source on it please see Mishneh Torah hilchot melachim umilchamot the first perek – fourth halacha. I think you will see that the halacha does not work well with a citizenship granting full equal democratic rights.
And I concede the middle east isn’t a shining light of peace and prosperity but given the current moral atmosphere of America that’s not much of anything we should be emulating these days either.
Joseph – no I wouldn’t be ok with sanctions like russia got leveled on Israel. Obviously they would hurt somewhat, all I’m saying is they wouldn’t necessarily be as scary as people imagine. Additionally I’ll point out the majority of the sanctions from what I understand were actually leveled against individuals close to putin, not necessarily institutions.
mw13,
My “rant” was in response to this exchange,
tirtza:
Let the Arabs decide what to do with all their refugees.
mw13:
Somehow, I don’t think we’d like whatever decision they would make.
They are responsible for the refugees if UNWRA folds, as it should.
You “REALLY” didn’t get what I was talking about?
Your post appears to be addressing assurnet, not me
The “Palestinian” narrative was started by the USSR and continues to today, Jews who DO LOVE ISRAEL, The LAND of the JEWS, should do whatever small thing that they can to spread a different narrative. But maybe you think it’s more productive to write about cream cheese???
mw13 – I think you’re not paying attention to the exact lashon of the Rambam. In halacha gimmel he is only talking about a “melech” whereas in halacha dalet he starts with a melech and then brings as an aside all positions of authority.
However I will concede a caveat that you didn’t point out which is according to the Rambam, even if we were put aside the discussion of arabs in Yehuda and Shomron for a moment, even Arabs living inside the green line and holding blue teudat zehuts should currently also have their citizenship revoked. I’m sure a ton of liberals would flip out at such an idea but I personally have no problem with it. If we honestly believe in the Torah we claim to follow, why aren’t we willing to have faith in all the pasukim that G-d designated this land solely for us and actually follow through with it?
In the dor hamidbar the meraglim were afraid to claim this land because of the physical giants. In our generation we’re afraid to because of the “giant” world powers. We have no room to scoff every year when we read shelach lecha because we are no better than they are – thousands of years later and Am Yisrael still can’t internalize that Hashem runs the world – not flesh and blood.
Why does every problem require a solution, at least for the time being? This attitude cost Eisav his birthright. He wanted lentil soup NOW. The ability to delay gratification is a mark of a mature person.
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