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    The lack of respect that collectors have today is incredible. Whoever gives these people during davening encourages a lack of respect for tefilah and limud Torah. And what nerve do these people have to hold up a tzibbur to make an announcement before ashrei-uva letzion? The Chazzan isn’t allowed to stop for them. They are responsible for people missing kaddish as well.

    #1538076

    iacisrmma
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    In the shul where I daven they are not allowed to make their verbal appeal until after the Kaddish for Aleinu (Nussach Sefard). If they don’t like it, they can walk around and collect without the announcement.

    #1538102

    The little I know
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    I find these speeches, marketing efforts, etc. offensive and disruptive. Having stated that, the shul has a gabbai who is in charge (as is often quipped, the gabbai is the one who calls the ש”ץ). One may not assume that the desperate and charitable cause he is collecting for authorizes him to make an appeal without express permission from the gabbai.

    Equally as impossible to tolerate are those who believe they are permitted to disturb the Baal Tefiloh, and those of us who may saying Kriyas Shema or Shemoneh Esrei. I suspect that those who disrespect tefiloh to that degree are not legitimate, and are either non-Jews or are drug addicts expecting our generosity to subsidize their drug use. This is not radical – it has been observed quite a bit.

    This brings to mind the campaigns typical to Purim or before the Yomim Noraim in which yeshiva boys and bochurim are sent to collect in batei medrash. There should be some way to insure that these collectors are trained prior to their missions how to do so respectfully, and without disrupting tefiloh.

    #1538190

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    I’ve seen disturbances during She a and shmone esrei by people eith peyos and beards as well. Sometimes it’s verbally and sometimes it’s putting down a flyer right in your line of vision.

    #1538360

    apushatayid
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    Desperate people do desperate things. Perhaps if they werent treated like dogs, spoken about like dogs in a derogatory manner and given the time of day by people, they wouldnt feel the desperate need to bebas aggressive as they are. Just a thought.

    #1538384

    The little I know
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    Not sure what you mean. Anywhere I ever davened, schnorrers were treated respectfully. All the disrespect I ever saw was from them. I get it that their financial state is really bad, and that is their desperation.

    I need to prepare cash before entering shul. If I take cash from my pocket to give a dollar, and the schnorrer sees a five or ten, I get badgered to give it to them. If I was short on giving maaser, perhaps this is a favor for me. But that has never been the case. The rudeness is still offensive, and it is not provoked in shul.

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