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  • #599793

    Dr. Seuss
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    We don’t say BDE on a non Jew.

    #819090

    am yisrael chai
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    Rav Hanan Porat Passes Away, BDE

    #819092

    Jothar
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    As Shlomo hamelech said, “for a living dog is better than a dead Mac OS X Lion”..

    the saddest part is that for his wake they’ll dress him in a suit, and he’ll look like Mr. PC…

    {the above content is now the exclusive property of YWN}

    ka-ching! -95

    #819093

    doodle jump
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    We don’t say BD”E on a non jew, but he was a person, made b’tzelem H’. I heard he had cancer. Terrible illness.

    #819094

    ☕️coffee addict
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    why don’t we?

    what’s the problem?

    #819095

    WolfishMusings
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    We don’t say BDE on a non Jew

    Why not? Is God not just when He ends a non-Jewish life?

    The Wolf

    #819096

    doodle jump
    Member

    I am not sure why we don’t say it. Anyone knows the reason why?

    #819097

    ronrsr
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    No man is an island,

    Entire of itself.

    Each is a piece of the continent,

    A part of the main.

    If a clod be washed away by the sea,

    Europe is the less.

    As well as if a promontory were.

    As well as if a manner of thine own

    Or of thine friend’s were.

    Each man’s death diminishes me,

    For I am involved in mankind.

    Therefore, send not to know

    For whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.

    – John Donne

    #819098

    Shticky Guy
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    Its very sad. He was the apple of many people’s eye and now that he has died so young has shaken many to the core sending some to the pits and leaving a huge slice of opportunity open. He apeeled to many in the technology world, leaving his competitors no option but to try to stalk him to copy his secrets.

    “If we should ever witness apple falling it would lead to consequences of utmost gravity” says leading expert Issac Newton. He continued “The only person to successfully succeed in shooting apple down was William Tell.”

    #819099

    Not only was Jobs an oived avoida zoro of a type that is not even permitted for bnei Noiach, but he was proud of the fact that Apple contributed nothing to any corporate philanthropic causes. He himself only began to contribute to yenna machla research when he was stricken. He is not someone who should be remembered in our world.

    He also abandoned an out-of-wedlock child until he no longer could do so – the child’s mother was on welfare until he admitted paternity (probably to avoid a costly lawsuit).

    His heritage was yishmoeli (he was adopted and his biological father is from Syria), and at the end of the day, the pere odom is always there.

    The technology he introduced is highly overpriced and gimmicky. Everything Apple comes out with is quickly superseded with better and more economical alternatives from elsewhere. Jobs was more a pitchman than anything, and with him gone, the apple will soon be but a core.

    Jobs had one real opportunity and blew it – that was licensing the technology for computers to run on the Apple operating system. He blew it again with iPhone and iPad; licensing the operating system for these would also have been a good idea because the Apple made gadgets are very costly especially outside of the US. In the end, Android will make applesauce out of Apple the way Microsoft did.

    In the end, Apple will be a flash in the pan. If you have Apple stock, sell it.

    #819100

    mak
    Member

    Shticky Guy: You forgot to mention how many people will be jobless without him.

    #819101

    ☕️coffee addict
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    I just hope that obama won’t try to capitalize on his death and call his bill the “STEVE JOBS BILL”

    #819102

    zahavasdad
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    He was a Rasha

    He fathered a child out of wedlock and refused to admit paternity for years.

    He used chinese slave workers to produce iproducts not paying them any wages yet profiting greatly from their labor

    #819104

    ilovetohock
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    Apples newest invention is called idead

    #819105

    Toi
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    take a look at a comment on the article which calls him bigger than a gadol. sickening.

    #819106

    BaalHabooze
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    Food for thought:

    O.K. so Steve jobs was a brilliant inventor and visionary, the likes of which come around only once in a few generations (I’m talking of the elite of the eite).

    However, I have a question, and I’m just throwing this out there, please don’t come with angry tones or screaming at my “frum” mishuga philosophies, I just want to hear serious answers. Is the world a better place, with all that Steve Jobs invented? Better said, in a yiddishe hashkofa setting, did we gain, or did he create gadgets that basically were detrimental in the hands of today’s generation? We have to admit, yeridas hadoros is real, and with all these technological gadgets, didn’t he just invent “lethal weapons”, accessible to all of us? I know everything can be used for good or for bad, like a knife, or even a gun. But in general, with all that’s going on today, with kids going off the derech, L”O, and the amount of crime in this generation, is this world a BETTER place, or is his inventions a direct/indirect CAUSE for the filth/frivolousness/perversion/corruption of today’s society?

    How would the world look today if we never had a Steve Jobs?

    #819107

    zahavasdad
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    is this world a BETTER place, or is his inventions a direct/indirect CAUSE for the filth/frivolousness/perversion/corruption of today’s society?

    One could say the same thing for a Printing Press

    and I am not a Steve Jobs fan

    #819108

    yungerman1
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    600 Kilo Bear- While you do have some valid points, lets be honest.

    “The technology he introduced is highly overpriced and gimmicky.”

    1. If millions are willing to pay the price then it shouldnt be called overpriced.

    2.Gimmicky? What does that mean? My mac works great without any gimmicks or updates every two days.

    3. Gimmicky? There are way fewer viruses, trojans, malware, spyware etc. on a Mac than a PC.

    “Everything Apple comes out with is quickly superseded with better and more economical alternatives from elsewhere.”

    3. “Everything”?? Not even close. Ask anyone that has had a PC and a Mac and they will agree that the Mac is head and shoulders above the rest.

    4. More economical alternatives- True, but inferior quality. A sweater from Old Navy is also an alternative to a sweater from Banana Republic, but the quality is inferior.

    “Jobs was more a pitchman than anything”

    5. What?? He was the brains behind everything!

    “Jobs had one real opportunity and blew it – that was licensing the technology for computers to run on the Apple operating system”

    6. One real opportunity? What are you talking about? You are totally ignoring every Apple product he created- Mac, IPod, Iphone, IPad etc

    7. Did you know that Jobs is the one who rescued Apple from almost bankruptcy with his innovations? Think 10 years back, few people had any Apple product. Now, who doesnt have at least an IPod?

    “Android will make applesauce out of Apple the way Microsoft did.”

    8. What?? Apple made applesauce out of Microsoft, not vice versa.

    #819109

    MiddlePath
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    He contributed so much to the world of technology and electronic product design and engineering. I myself don’t have any Apple products, since they are quite expensive, but I appreciate the unbelievable impact he had on our society, and even the world. He made an enormous contribution to the ever changing methods of standardized product design and function. I wouldn’t necessarily put him up with the likes of Eli Whitney and the Shakers yet, but he is definitely close.

    #819110

    Toi
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    i dont understand this “theory of contribution”. it basically seems to state that anyone that made a tangible or lasting impact head and shoulders above the rest in any given field is to be nearly diefied. great. lets diefy bob marley. are you people nuts?? a person’s genius is Hashems gift to him, its not his attribute to be praised for. the test is what you do with it. jobs did nothing good for klal yisroel, and, if anyhting, there are way more neshamos affected by spiritually dangerous content then there were before apple became a name to be reckoned with. now obviously it would have happened without him too, because in some way this fits with Hashems plan, but we dont let a murderer off the hook just because in shomayim the victim was michuyav misa. and to raise the man??? we need to look at ourselves seriously and ask if Hashem agrees with us mourning this man. i, for one, think he doesnt.

    #819111

    zahavasdad
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    Do you condemn Johannes Gutenberg too?

    Think how many Neshamas have been ruined by his invention, How much Prizus etc is possible because of him

    #819112

    MiddlePath
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    Toi, I am sorry you feel this way. I think that if G-d gave someone, Jew or non-Jew, a talent, ability, or skill, and the person uses it in a way the makes a positive impact on their culture or on the world, even if YOU didn’t benefit from it, that is something to respect and appreciate. And you know what, Bob Marley made a tremendous contribution to the world of music. Yes, I know what he was and I know what he did, but I don’t just say “Oh, he did such and such, so I can’t appreciate anything from him.” That, to me, is closed-minded, selfish, and looking at things negatively. And whether or not we should be mourning Steve Jobs, we should be able to see the contribution he has made using the talents G-d gave him in a positive way.

    #819113

    yungerman1
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    Toi- First off, No one here in the CR is deifying him.

    Are you saying we should not recognize him and thank him for his contribution?

    Using your logic, the same way a murderer is punished severly for his actions even though it was Hashem’s plan, certainly one should acknowledge and praise someone’s positive contribution even though it was Hashem’s plan!

    I cant say we are necessarily mourning his death, but we are definitely recognizing his contribution to this world.

    That said, Baal Habooze does raise a very good point that the frum world may have been better off without his products. But like everything else in the world- and Toi what you said “the test is what you do with it”- our test is how we use his products. Do we download movies onto out IPods, or get the ShasPd and the other thousands of electronic shiurim available?

    Do we surf the web and sites we should not visit, or do we spend our time in the Coffee Room!! :-p

    #819114

    Im typing this on my I-phone….Thanks Steve!

    #819115

    8. What?? Apple made applesauce out of Microsoft, not vice versa.

    The rest of your post shows only a superficial understanding of tech and business – but who won in computers? Wintel or Apple? All of these gadgets have their place, but the PC is and will be an absolute necessity for years to come.

    Apple was a shooting star. It went high, came back to earth once, and now will die off like Kodak is doing. The lack of an iPhone 5 announcement and the Samsung lawsuit over the 4s is the shape of things to come.

    #819116

    BaalHabooze
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    I don’t know, zahavasdad, about the printing press, that’s a good question and comparison. But clearly in our day and age, these e-gadgets were fundamental tools used for terrible acts and wickedness in this world. Sure we can use these inventions for business, for gemilas chassodim, and other worthy uses, but he should have taken all POTENTIAL crime into account and integate a prevention feature in them. If that’s not possible, then y’ gotta think twice! I know I would!

    #819117

    Sam2
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    BaalHabooze: You should (or probably shouldn’t) look at what percentage of printed items in the 16th and 17th centuries were. You’d be surprised at how much Pritzus the Church had to try and repress.

    #819118

    zahavasdad
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    I dont think the Haskallah movement could have survived without the printing press

    #819119

    BaalHabooze
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    So what is your take? Do you condemn the Printing Press?

    #819120

    amused
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    Many Seforim would have been lost without the printing press. The same cannot be said for any Apples product.

    #819121

    Strange coincidence. 6 years ago yesterday (6 Tishrei going into 7), an erlich and frum salesman at Datavision in Manhattan talked me out of getting a Mac (losing his commission in the process as he had no PC in my price and features range).

    #819122

    yungerman1
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    600 Kilo Bear- Me and the rest of the world all of have a superfical understanding of tech and business. Only the Otisville Roov has got it right. I see.

    #819123

    BaalHabooze
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    So what are you saying, amused? that this that we have printed seforim OUTWEIGHS all the other bad stuff printed, and you embrace the invention the printing press? I’m just asking out of curiosity.

    and BTW can’t you agree that countless acts of chessed are done using the iphone, or other apple products?

    #819124

    amused
    Participant

    What Chesed? That couldn’t be done without Apple??

    #819125

    yungerman1
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    amused- Whats your point?

    #819126

    zahavasdad
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    While its still in infancy. iPads open a whole new area for Seforim.

    Think how much Seforim cost. How much does a Shas cost?

    You can download SHAS for Kindle or iPad for 99 Cents

    You can download Tanach for 99 cents too

    How many MORE seforim could you have between costs and space (Seforim take up space) if you could store them all in your iPad (or Kindle)

    #819127

    amused
    Participant

    What’s that have to do with Apple or Jobs?

    Btw, the Kindle was invented by Amazon.

    #819128

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Kindle is by Amazon, but the entire eBook genre whether iPads or Kindle (or Nooks) can be a boomlet for Seforim.

    how many people DONT buy seforim because they are expensive or take up too much space.

    iPads (and Kindle and Nooks) can many Seforim even MORE accessable than the printed copy

    #819129

    amused
    Participant

    Apple didn’t invent or even pioneer the eBook phenominon. They were a johnny come lately.

    #819130

    mak
    Member

    an E-book will never replace seforim, no matter how cheap they are, because you cant use elecronic seforim on Shabbos / Yom Tov.

    #819131

    Sam2
    Participant

    Mak: Many people will eventually own all of their Seforim electronically and have a few just for Shabbos/Yom Tov and go to a Beis Medrash with books on Shabbos/Yom Tov when they need.

    #819132

    His treatment of Steve Wozniak, co-founder and the original brains behind Apple, was dispicable.

    #819133

    EzratHashem
    Member

    A fundamental difference between the products of the printing press and the computer. If I pick up a sefer to look at it, I only have in front of my eyes a sefer. If I pick up an Apple product, I have in front of me not only what the contents of the sefer, but a host of very objectionable material as well.

    #819134

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I can it now, everyone in BMG learning in Chavrusa with the iPad or Kindle and when a Shaila comes up, they can easily go through their other seforim on their eBook reader and settle the question quickly.

    Seforim will be much easier to obtain.

    Doesnt matter if Apple was a Johnny come lately, they made in mainstream

    #819135

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Think of how many Seforim you have and how many you actually use on a regular basis.

    I know people who have hundreds or thousands, there is no way they can use them on a regular basis

    #819136

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    OOOOOOh Sam2 I hope not!!! Please tell me people won’t replace their printed edition for electonic ones. (I can just see it happening but I dread the thought.) There’s NOTHING like learning from a good old fashioned sefer, taking in the scent from the binding, drinking the delicious words thirstily, feeling the pages in betwen your fingers. E-Sefer? doesn’t even sound geshmak.

    #819137

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    What a great lesson that he used his time on this planet despite the illness, only resigning 6 weeks ago, and not indulging in self-pity or a pity party.

    In addition, he did not choose to use his unfortunate circumstance of being relinquished by his natural parents to be given away almost immediately to strangers.

    He also did not give up when he was down and out, forgave and came back to help his company which kicked him to the curb.

    Nobody’s perfect.

    It’s our choice how we’d like to see things.

    #819138

    It’s our choice how we’d like to see things

    as in the Gemorah where the Rebbe says to his Talmidim: notice how white its teeth are.

    #819139

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There’s NOTHING like learning from a good old fashioned sefer, taking in the scent from the binding, drinking the delicious words thirstily, feeling the pages in betwen your fingers. E-Sefer? doesn’t even sound geshmak.

    I am sure some said the same thing when the printing press was invented. There is a big difference between a manuscript and a printed book.

    Today it sounds a little nutty, but in a few years everyone will have it and it wont seem so unusual anymore

    #819140

    Toi
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    theres no way that most of the main-stream yeshiva oilam will even consider making one of these things a staple in learning. and the man was still a rasha. thousands of neshamos were corrupted with ipods. why back such a person?

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