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  • #599793

    Dr. Seuss
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    We don’t say BDE on a non Jew.

  • #819090

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Rav Hanan Porat Passes Away, BDE

  • #819092

    Jothar
    Member

    As Shlomo hamelech said, “for a living dog is better than a dead Mac OS X Lion”..

    the saddest part is that for his wake they’ll dress him in a suit, and he’ll look like Mr. PC…

    {the above content is now the exclusive property of YWN}

    ka-ching! -95

  • #819093

    doodle jump
    Member

    We don’t say BD”E on a non jew, but he was a person, made b’tzelem H’. I heard he had cancer. Terrible illness.

  • #819094

    coffee addict
    Participant

    why don’t we?

    what’s the problem?

  • #819095

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    We don’t say BDE on a non Jew

    Why not? Is God not just when He ends a non-Jewish life?

    The Wolf

  • #819096

    doodle jump
    Member

    I am not sure why we don’t say it. Anyone knows the reason why?

  • #819097

    ronrsr
    Member

    No man is an island,

    Entire of itself.

    Each is a piece of the continent,

    A part of the main.

    If a clod be washed away by the sea,

    Europe is the less.

    As well as if a promontory were.

    As well as if a manner of thine own

    Or of thine friend’s were.

    Each man’s death diminishes me,

    For I am involved in mankind.

    Therefore, send not to know

    For whom the bell tolls,

    It tolls for thee.

    – John Donne

  • #819098

    Shticky Guy
    Member

    Its very sad. He was the apple of many people’s eye and now that he has died so young has shaken many to the core sending some to the pits and leaving a huge slice of opportunity open. He apeeled to many in the technology world, leaving his competitors no option but to try to stalk him to copy his secrets.

    “If we should ever witness apple falling it would lead to consequences of utmost gravity” says leading expert Issac Newton. He continued “The only person to successfully succeed in shooting apple down was William Tell.”

  • #819099

    Not only was Jobs an oived avoida zoro of a type that is not even permitted for bnei Noiach, but he was proud of the fact that Apple contributed nothing to any corporate philanthropic causes. He himself only began to contribute to yenna machla research when he was stricken. He is not someone who should be remembered in our world.

    He also abandoned an out-of-wedlock child until he no longer could do so – the child’s mother was on welfare until he admitted paternity (probably to avoid a costly lawsuit).

    His heritage was yishmoeli (he was adopted and his biological father is from Syria), and at the end of the day, the pere odom is always there.

    The technology he introduced is highly overpriced and gimmicky. Everything Apple comes out with is quickly superseded with better and more economical alternatives from elsewhere. Jobs was more a pitchman than anything, and with him gone, the apple will soon be but a core.

    Jobs had one real opportunity and blew it – that was licensing the technology for computers to run on the Apple operating system. He blew it again with iPhone and iPad; licensing the operating system for these would also have been a good idea because the Apple made gadgets are very costly especially outside of the US. In the end, Android will make applesauce out of Apple the way Microsoft did.

    In the end, Apple will be a flash in the pan. If you have Apple stock, sell it.

  • #819100

    mak
    Member

    Shticky Guy: You forgot to mention how many people will be jobless without him.

  • #819101

    coffee addict
    Participant

    I just hope that obama won’t try to capitalize on his death and call his bill the “STEVE JOBS BILL”

  • #819102

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    He was a Rasha

    He fathered a child out of wedlock and refused to admit paternity for years.

    He used chinese slave workers to produce iproducts not paying them any wages yet profiting greatly from their labor

  • #819104

    ilovetohock
    Member

    Apples newest invention is called idead

  • #819105

    Toi
    Member

    take a look at a comment on the article which calls him bigger than a gadol. sickening.

  • #819106

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    Food for thought:

    O.K. so Steve jobs was a brilliant inventor and visionary, the likes of which come around only once in a few generations (I’m talking of the elite of the eite).

    However, I have a question, and I’m just throwing this out there, please don’t come with angry tones or screaming at my “frum” mishuga philosophies, I just want to hear serious answers. Is the world a better place, with all that Steve Jobs invented? Better said, in a yiddishe hashkofa setting, did we gain, or did he create gadgets that basically were detrimental in the hands of today’s generation? We have to admit, yeridas hadoros is real, and with all these technological gadgets, didn’t he just invent “lethal weapons”, accessible to all of us? I know everything can be used for good or for bad, like a knife, or even a gun. But in general, with all that’s going on today, with kids going off the derech, L”O, and the amount of crime in this generation, is this world a BETTER place, or is his inventions a direct/indirect CAUSE for the filth/frivolousness/perversion/corruption of today’s society?

    How would the world look today if we never had a Steve Jobs?

  • #819107

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    is this world a BETTER place, or is his inventions a direct/indirect CAUSE for the filth/frivolousness/perversion/corruption of today’s society?

    One could say the same thing for a Printing Press

    and I am not a Steve Jobs fan

  • #819108

    yungerman1
    Member

    600 Kilo Bear- While you do have some valid points, lets be honest.

    “The technology he introduced is highly overpriced and gimmicky.”

    1. If millions are willing to pay the price then it shouldnt be called overpriced.

    2.Gimmicky? What does that mean? My mac works great without any gimmicks or updates every two days.

    3. Gimmicky? There are way fewer viruses, trojans, malware, spyware etc. on a Mac than a PC.

    “Everything Apple comes out with is quickly superseded with better and more economical alternatives from elsewhere.”

    3. “Everything”?? Not even close. Ask anyone that has had a PC and a Mac and they will agree that the Mac is head and shoulders above the rest.

    4. More economical alternatives- True, but inferior quality. A sweater from Old Navy is also an alternative to a sweater from Banana Republic, but the quality is inferior.

    “Jobs was more a pitchman than anything”

    5. What?? He was the brains behind everything!

    “Jobs had one real opportunity and blew it – that was licensing the technology for computers to run on the Apple operating system”

    6. One real opportunity? What are you talking about? You are totally ignoring every Apple product he created- Mac, IPod, Iphone, IPad etc

    7. Did you know that Jobs is the one who rescued Apple from almost bankruptcy with his innovations? Think 10 years back, few people had any Apple product. Now, who doesnt have at least an IPod?

    “Android will make applesauce out of Apple the way Microsoft did.”

    8. What?? Apple made applesauce out of Microsoft, not vice versa.

  • #819109

    MiddlePath
    Member

    He contributed so much to the world of technology and electronic product design and engineering. I myself don’t have any Apple products, since they are quite expensive, but I appreciate the unbelievable impact he had on our society, and even the world. He made an enormous contribution to the ever changing methods of standardized product design and function. I wouldn’t necessarily put him up with the likes of Eli Whitney and the Shakers yet, but he is definitely close.

  • #819110

    Toi
    Member

    i dont understand this “theory of contribution”. it basically seems to state that anyone that made a tangible or lasting impact head and shoulders above the rest in any given field is to be nearly diefied. great. lets diefy bob marley. are you people nuts?? a person’s genius is Hashems gift to him, its not his attribute to be praised for. the test is what you do with it. jobs did nothing good for klal yisroel, and, if anyhting, there are way more neshamos affected by spiritually dangerous content then there were before apple became a name to be reckoned with. now obviously it would have happened without him too, because in some way this fits with Hashems plan, but we dont let a murderer off the hook just because in shomayim the victim was michuyav misa. and to raise the man??? we need to look at ourselves seriously and ask if Hashem agrees with us mourning this man. i, for one, think he doesnt.

  • #819111

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Do you condemn Johannes Gutenberg too?

    Think how many Neshamas have been ruined by his invention, How much Prizus etc is possible because of him

  • #819112

    MiddlePath
    Member

    Toi, I am sorry you feel this way. I think that if G-d gave someone, Jew or non-Jew, a talent, ability, or skill, and the person uses it in a way the makes a positive impact on their culture or on the world, even if YOU didn’t benefit from it, that is something to respect and appreciate. And you know what, Bob Marley made a tremendous contribution to the world of music. Yes, I know what he was and I know what he did, but I don’t just say “Oh, he did such and such, so I can’t appreciate anything from him.” That, to me, is closed-minded, selfish, and looking at things negatively. And whether or not we should be mourning Steve Jobs, we should be able to see the contribution he has made using the talents G-d gave him in a positive way.

  • #819113

    yungerman1
    Member

    Toi- First off, No one here in the CR is deifying him.

    Are you saying we should not recognize him and thank him for his contribution?

    Using your logic, the same way a murderer is punished severly for his actions even though it was Hashem’s plan, certainly one should acknowledge and praise someone’s positive contribution even though it was Hashem’s plan!

    I cant say we are necessarily mourning his death, but we are definitely recognizing his contribution to this world.

    That said, Baal Habooze does raise a very good point that the frum world may have been better off without his products. But like everything else in the world- and Toi what you said “the test is what you do with it”- our test is how we use his products. Do we download movies onto out IPods, or get the ShasPd and the other thousands of electronic shiurim available?

    Do we surf the web and sites we should not visit, or do we spend our time in the Coffee Room!! :-p

  • #819114

    Im typing this on my I-phone….Thanks Steve!

  • #819115

    8. What?? Apple made applesauce out of Microsoft, not vice versa.

    The rest of your post shows only a superficial understanding of tech and business – but who won in computers? Wintel or Apple? All of these gadgets have their place, but the PC is and will be an absolute necessity for years to come.

    Apple was a shooting star. It went high, came back to earth once, and now will die off like Kodak is doing. The lack of an iPhone 5 announcement and the Samsung lawsuit over the 4s is the shape of things to come.

  • #819116

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    I don’t know, zahavasdad, about the printing press, that’s a good question and comparison. But clearly in our day and age, these e-gadgets were fundamental tools used for terrible acts and wickedness in this world. Sure we can use these inventions for business, for gemilas chassodim, and other worthy uses, but he should have taken all POTENTIAL crime into account and integate a prevention feature in them. If that’s not possible, then y’ gotta think twice! I know I would!

  • #819117

    Sam2
    Member

    BaalHabooze: You should (or probably shouldn’t) look at what percentage of printed items in the 16th and 17th centuries were. You’d be surprised at how much Pritzus the Church had to try and repress.

  • #819118

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I dont think the Haskallah movement could have survived without the printing press

  • #819119

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    So what is your take? Do you condemn the Printing Press?

  • #819120

    amused
    Participant

    Many Seforim would have been lost without the printing press. The same cannot be said for any Apples product.

  • #819121

    Strange coincidence. 6 years ago yesterday (6 Tishrei going into 7), an erlich and frum salesman at Datavision in Manhattan talked me out of getting a Mac (losing his commission in the process as he had no PC in my price and features range).

  • #819122

    yungerman1
    Member

    600 Kilo Bear- Me and the rest of the world all of have a superfical understanding of tech and business. Only the Otisville Roov has got it right. I see.

  • #819123

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    So what are you saying, amused? that this that we have printed seforim OUTWEIGHS all the other bad stuff printed, and you embrace the invention the printing press? I’m just asking out of curiosity.

    and BTW can’t you agree that countless acts of chessed are done using the iphone, or other apple products?

  • #819124

    amused
    Participant

    What Chesed? That couldn’t be done without Apple??

  • #819125

    yungerman1
    Member

    amused- Whats your point?

  • #819126

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    While its still in infancy. iPads open a whole new area for Seforim.

    Think how much Seforim cost. How much does a Shas cost?

    You can download SHAS for Kindle or iPad for 99 Cents

    You can download Tanach for 99 cents too

    How many MORE seforim could you have between costs and space (Seforim take up space) if you could store them all in your iPad (or Kindle)

  • #819127

    amused
    Participant

    What’s that have to do with Apple or Jobs?

    Btw, the Kindle was invented by Amazon.

  • #819128

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Kindle is by Amazon, but the entire eBook genre whether iPads or Kindle (or Nooks) can be a boomlet for Seforim.

    how many people DONT buy seforim because they are expensive or take up too much space.

    iPads (and Kindle and Nooks) can many Seforim even MORE accessable than the printed copy

  • #819129

    amused
    Participant

    Apple didn’t invent or even pioneer the eBook phenominon. They were a johnny come lately.

  • #819130

    mak
    Member

    an E-book will never replace seforim, no matter how cheap they are, because you cant use elecronic seforim on Shabbos / Yom Tov.

  • #819131

    Sam2
    Member

    Mak: Many people will eventually own all of their Seforim electronically and have a few just for Shabbos/Yom Tov and go to a Beis Medrash with books on Shabbos/Yom Tov when they need.

  • #819132

    His treatment of Steve Wozniak, co-founder and the original brains behind Apple, was dispicable.

  • #819133

    EzratHashem
    Member

    A fundamental difference between the products of the printing press and the computer. If I pick up a sefer to look at it, I only have in front of my eyes a sefer. If I pick up an Apple product, I have in front of me not only what the contents of the sefer, but a host of very objectionable material as well.

  • #819134

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I can it now, everyone in BMG learning in Chavrusa with the iPad or Kindle and when a Shaila comes up, they can easily go through their other seforim on their eBook reader and settle the question quickly.

    Seforim will be much easier to obtain.

    Doesnt matter if Apple was a Johnny come lately, they made in mainstream

  • #819135

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Think of how many Seforim you have and how many you actually use on a regular basis.

    I know people who have hundreds or thousands, there is no way they can use them on a regular basis

  • #819136

    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    OOOOOOh Sam2 I hope not!!! Please tell me people won’t replace their printed edition for electonic ones. (I can just see it happening but I dread the thought.) There’s NOTHING like learning from a good old fashioned sefer, taking in the scent from the binding, drinking the delicious words thirstily, feeling the pages in betwen your fingers. E-Sefer? doesn’t even sound geshmak.

  • #819137

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    What a great lesson that he used his time on this planet despite the illness, only resigning 6 weeks ago, and not indulging in self-pity or a pity party.

    In addition, he did not choose to use his unfortunate circumstance of being relinquished by his natural parents to be given away almost immediately to strangers.

    He also did not give up when he was down and out, forgave and came back to help his company which kicked him to the curb.

    Nobody’s perfect.

    It’s our choice how we’d like to see things.

  • #819138

    It’s our choice how we’d like to see things

    as in the Gemorah where the Rebbe says to his Talmidim: notice how white its teeth are.

  • #819139

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There’s NOTHING like learning from a good old fashioned sefer, taking in the scent from the binding, drinking the delicious words thirstily, feeling the pages in betwen your fingers. E-Sefer? doesn’t even sound geshmak.

    I am sure some said the same thing when the printing press was invented. There is a big difference between a manuscript and a printed book.

    Today it sounds a little nutty, but in a few years everyone will have it and it wont seem so unusual anymore

  • #819140

    Toi
    Member

    theres no way that most of the main-stream yeshiva oilam will even consider making one of these things a staple in learning. and the man was still a rasha. thousands of neshamos were corrupted with ipods. why back such a person?

  • #819141

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Toi

    It’s HASHEM who gave us the gift of bechira, how we choose to live our lives, so that we can earn our schar.

    There are plenty of people who have increased their Yiddishkeit due to this technology and others who were in fact INTRODUCED to Yiddishkeit because of it.

    I can understand if someone chooses not to own it (pun intended), but to blame someone else for one’s misbehavior??

  • #819142

    MiddlePath
    Member

    Toi, I was just going to say what ayc said. Why judge someone solely on negativity and what others may have chosen to do? Look at the positive side, or at least try to find something positive!

  • #819143

    doodle jump
    Member

    Can somebody please answer my question that I posted earlier.

    Why don’t we say BD”E on a non jew. I really want to know.

  • #819144

    squeak
    Participant

    Presumably because we are not so torn up that the only positive thing we can think of is that G-d is just.

  • #819145

    yitayningwut
    Member

    I just read a cute line:

    Three apples changed the world forever – The first was bit into by Adam and Eve, the second fell on Newton’s head, and the third was offered to the world by Steve Jobs.

  • #819146

    yungerman1
    Member

    Toi- “thousands of neshamos were corrupted with ipods”.

    And tens of thousands were corrupted with the internet. Are you going to blame Al Gore?!!

    And tens of thousands are dying because of global warming. Lets blame Al Gore!!!

    And the economy stinks. Lets blame Bush!!

    “Jobs” are lost under Obama. Lets blame Bush!!

    Why dont we each start taking responsibility for our awn actions. Adam HaRishon wasn’t excused after blaming Chava.

  • #819147

    Toi, your comments while amusing, never seem to have any clear statistical evidence….

  • #819148

    Jothar
    Member

    Steve Jobs changed the world, and changed the way people “consume content”. He left the world a more entertained place. But did he leave the world a better place? Hard to say “yes”.

    Bill Gates is giving his billions to charities which he thinks can improve the world. Whether you or I agree with the choices is irrelevant. He is TRYING to improve it, not just make money off it.

    { Does this have good click-thoughs?}

  • #819149

    Toi
    Member

    mike- certain points, i would propose, do not need a bibliography afterward to prove theyre true. there are over 1000 cares in NYC. do i need to prove it?now, growing up as a bochur in this age when ipods became super-popular, i personally witnesed tens of bochurim who became exposed to content that was, at best, objectionable. i stated before that if this is our yeidas hadoros it would have happened anyway, but im takind issue with the fact that if Hashem chose this man to supply the means then that should open our eyes as to how we should view him. i gave an example of a murderer bishogeig- he was “only” the shliach, but chazal say he was guilty and dserved the oinesh. all im saying is that we dont have to be so quick to thankn the man for giving us all this stuff; lets lok a bit harder at whats not skin deep.

  • #819150

    Toi
    Member

    yungerman- whoever invented the internet just might be hard pressed achar me’ah vi’esrim to explain the spiritual damage to countless neshamos. im not sure why you think thats a taaneh- theres a reason why gedolim assur it. :-/. bad economies werent invented by presidents. moot point. kinda not so smart, no? and while you are right that people have bechira, there is a gemara that asks in certain situations how its physically possible not to do aveiros. he definitely was misayeiya in loads of aveiros. why is this so difficult to understand? obviously not everyone whos ever used an ipod has been damaged by it, but ask yourself if you havent come into contact with at least one issur because of one; if you have then ive made my point.

  • #819152

    lesschumras
    Participant

    600 , So, all the Yeshivas that get big donations from frum businessmen whose factories are in China should, by your logic, should no longer accept them.

    Steve Jobs life was public so we know all of his negatyives. So, before any shul or Yeshiva honors someone wealthy, let’s make sure sure we investigate their private lives and thier business practices

  • #819154

    Toi
    Member

    lesschumras- its funny you should make that point. i personally know of several yeshivos that only accept money from sources they know are pure- either because they personally trust the donor cuz hes erlich or the like. the money they take get from other sources goes to toilet paper. i guess you think like a rosh yeshiva!

  • #819155

    Toi
    Member

    josh- shaychis…i think the correlation between viewing objectionable content and ipods is more readily understandable. i still cant understand why everyone wants to be matzdik this guy.

  • #819156

    Josh31
    Member

    An ipod may help arouse the Taavah for real issur, but shoes get you there.

  • #819157

    You can download SHAS for Kindle or iPad for 99 Cents

    You can download Tanach for 99 cents too

    —-

    Zahavasdad, as usual, is being disingenuous and not giving us the full story. He is now guilty of genevas daas, because he just caused me to waste my precious time, right when I’m trying to get things done in time for Yom Tov, looking for this when all it amounts to is the dubious Rodkinson translation of Shas, poorly formatted, and the JPS Tanach that I and others hold can be read in the beis kisse.

    What Zehavasdad did is the same as me giving directions to the women’s mikve if a man asks me where you can toivel in my area. I wouldn’t even do that to my worst enemy on Peerim.

    I and others come to this board to get away from the free-for-all, LH and rechilus, unchecked facts, nivul peh, any self-hater or left-wing koifer is a godol, atmosphere of certain other sites. Most of the worst apples are BH gone and ranting in the juvey hall, but we have a couple left.

  • #819158

    Sam2
    Member

    Toi: All anyone is saying is that he created things which will help mankind in many ways. For the Goyim his technologies will definitely move forward the human condition. Jews have to choose whether to use his devices well or poorly. But those who were not strong enough to resist temptation eventually would have found other ways to go off. It’s not like music or TV shows on an iPod are the only way to see/hear things one shouldn’t.

  • #819159

    Herr Himmel
    Member

    What a zchus the guy who invented the gun, the atom bomb, and gas chambers must be receiving in gan eden!

    Atom bombs don’t kill people, people kill people.

  • #819160

    Toi
    Member

    sam2- i already said it wouldve happened anyways- twice. Hashem made him tyhe guy to introduce things that pulled dozens, if not hundreds, of people off the D. you werent the guy, jobs was. that means something.it probably means something not so good. so we shouldnt celebrate this man. thats all im saying, and i think its quite understandable.

  • #819162

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Not Himmeldik

    How do you compare the gas chambers to the computer?

    That’s so outrageous and you need to ask mechila from anyone who suffered through the camps.

    You obviously didn’t go through the concentration camps or you would never have lumped this together.

  • #819163

    I never said anything about China :). I do not believe Apple products were knowingly made with slave labor; Foxcomm is as legitimate as you can get in China and there is just no way to make these parts in the US or anywhere else. Until automation is allowed to replace expensive and entrenched union workers, the US will not be a center for mass-market manufacturing and in any case the Chinese are ahead with automation as well.

    Jothar really hit the nail on the head. Steve Jobs produced entertainment – if he did license the operating systems it would be a different story because prices would dip and different manufacturers would issue different feature sets. Apple and Pixar are both technological entertainment.

    I was out shopping for a new “communications device” today and I was just shocked by how expensive an iPad is compared to a comparable Acer Android model. (I don’t know the prices in the US – this could be because of the way Apple is distributed in Ukraine.) I’m not ready to buy until at least a month after the yomim toivim end so I did not check carefully but I saw no reason to pay $400 more for the Apple and be locked into their apps.

  • #819164

    Herr Himmel
    Member

    ayc, You should ask mechila from those that lost their neshoma (which much worse than losing ones guf) thanks to destructive technology.

  • #819165

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    NotHimmeldik

    A mechutzaf, too.

    You’ll not find me often speaking in such a manner, if at all.

    Why are you not taking issue with the creator of the knife?

    After all, it’s killed people.

    So what if its intention was to spread butter or the like.

    The gas chambers were built SOLELY to inhumanely exterminate us…

    The computer’s intent was not to destroy, as is the knife…

    Intent is important all throughout halacha, whether a horeg b’shogeg or b’mayzid, etc.

    It’s curious that you chose a German moniker along with your gas chamber remark

  • #819166

    Herr Himmel
    Member

    Such conceit, ayc. You harbor contempt for Yekkes too. One thing I can assure you, the inventor of the cellphone (and its far more sinister derivatives) murdered more souls in one year than the the knife killed in 100 years.

  • #819167

    Josh31
    Member

    Every technological innovation has increased our ability to do both good and evil.

    The humble shoes we wear had a much greater impact than the Ipod.

  • #819168

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    not himmeldik

    If the computer is so bad, WHY are you ON IT?

    Oh, right, you have a CHOICE

    Unlike the people in the crematorium

    Your attempt at telling me for whom I harbor contempt shows conceit.

    It’s not Yiddishe Yekkes; one of the signs of a Yid is a rachaman, and there is no rachmanus here when comparing people who were put into ovens with no choice.

    So since you’ve established that the computer is unilaterally evil, wishing you farewell…

  • #819169

    Herr Himmel
    Member

    not am yisrael, you lack any rachmanus on the yidden who tragically lost their neshamos to the iShmutz.

  • #819170

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    And you are still on the shmutzy computer-not practicing what you preach…so it’s apparently not as bad as all that…

  • #819171

    squeak
    Participant

    ayc is right, mein herr. You show a lack of rachmanus to “yidden who tragically lost their neshamos to the iShmutz” by using one such infernal device. I know I certainly would never use a gas chamber for entertainment or for business, and if you feel that way about a computer but use it anyway…..

  • #819172

    mw13
    Participant

    AYC:

    Herr Himmel is a username with a ridiculous, provocative screen-name spewing ridiculous, provocative opinions. I smell a troll; don’t take him too seriously.

  • #819173

    Everything in this world can be used for good or bad…teach your kids early how to use things for the good

  • #819174

    Toi
    Member

    mike- agreed. but if you give 13 year old a loaded gun you can expect at least some level of blame when he uses it.

  • #819175

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I wonder if half the people who condem i-products even know what they really do

    An iPod Plays AUDIO, its no different than a WALKMAN or a Cassette player

    An iPhone is a small COMPUTER, it basically does the same thing as your computer abit on a smaller level

    An iPad is a larger iPhone with a 10 inch LCD instead of a 2 inch LCD.

    NONE of them are really new items, just different versions of stuff you already have

  • #819176

    Toi
    Member

    zdad- again your posts shift to try us to forget what we’re debating. if everyones computer had to be bolted to the side of an aron kodesh to operate and only when the bais was full and only when everyone could see, the amount of aveiros done would be, i would propose, lower? so it folows that anything which can be more secreted away, without the knowledge of anyone else, will cause graver consequences. duh. add wifi on all his doodads and welcome to aveiraland. enter jobsland. theyre BAD!!

  • #819177

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    And what is the difference between an iPad and a Laptop with internet access?

  • #819178

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    And what is the difference between an iPad and a Laptop with internet access?

    And that is the reason I actually DONT own an ipad (or any other Apple product)

    I am in the computer field and I cant tell you the difference between an iPad and a laptop with internet access (Other than style)

  • #819179

    amused
    Participant

    The portability, as Toi said, is the killer. A pocket computer can be much better hidden and easier to sin with.

  • #819180

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Have you ever seen a Netbook?

    They are quite portable and easily hid

  • #819181

    SilentOne
    Member

    I heard on a radio show by a computer world Mavin that Steve Jobs would fire people instantly willy-nilly in the company elevator if they could not answer a question he asked them on the spot. Clearly not a man to emulate or to shed tears over. By contrast in the Goyishe world, I hear reporters saying that people walked into Apple stores and started crying over his death. How can there be nothing of more gravity to cry over, especially not even knowing the person?! What vapid minds, hard to believe they were created in the Tzelem Elokim.

  • #819182

    Toi
    Member

    zdad-you cannot keep it in your pocket. you cannot walk out of BM and find a little nook where you can get wifi. you are clearly not so aquainted with todays teens. i would get up to date if i were you.

  • #819183

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    You cant put an iPad in your pocket and YOU CAN get 3G for a Netbook. They make a USB card for that.

    I am more up to date than you think, its my job to know whats going on.

    I dont have an iPhone either a(I dont own any Apple products) , but I do have an Android phone and the internet does work anywhere

  • #819184

    Toi
    Member

    you cant put a netbok in your pocket. i agree (obviously) that all handheld movie/internet capable things are just as bad- not only those with an apple logo. that doesnt make the ones with an apple loge less bad, farshtaist? which still makes their creator one bad dude. and this is going in circles so im done.

  • #819185

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Quote from his speech at stanford in 2005:

    When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: “If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you’ll most certainly be right.” It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: “If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?” And whenever the answer has been “No” for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.

    About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my pancreas. I didn’t even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I should expect to live no longer than three to six months. My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is doctor’s code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids everything you thought you’d have the next 10 years to tell them in just a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.

    I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy, where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that is curable with surgery. I had the surgery and I’m fine now.

    This was the closest I’ve been to facing death, and I hope it’s the closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful but purely intellectual concept:

    No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

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