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It drives me crazy that you decide to make change from the pushke at the oddest times. I understand that you want to drop your coins/bills at ????? ???????, but really, you absolutely need to dump the entire pushke out in the middle of davening to get change? Are you in shule to daven, or are you in shule to play with the money?
Doing this during ???? ??”? isn’t any better. When I used to daven for the amud almost every day, I moved the pushke away from the amud, as you would dump it out, causing me to lose my concentration.
I mean, really – if you need change, why can’t you come before davening starts, and play with the money then? Why can’t you do it after davening is finished? Why, why, WHY must it be during davening?
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You make the case for a fixed pushke on the wall that is locked.
I must attend a different class of minyan. Paper money isn’t noisy.
I must attend a different class of minyan. Paper money isn’t noisy.
Joseph……..
The dollar coin in the USA was a flop, be it The Eisenhower or Sacajawea.
It has been years since I’ve seen any adult in our minyan place coins in the pushke on the wall. Occasionally a child will do so. When a cup of coffee or a soda is typically $2 it would be an insult to put a quarter in the pushke, then drive off in your multi-thousand dollar car.
I live in Fairfield County, CT. This is a land of single family homes. There are no working class people in our town or attending our minyan who use public transit as in the city. In fact there is no public transit.
It’s just facts of life that life here is different than in the city or Monsey, Lakewood, etc. Not about superiority.
I used to daven at a minyan where I would often see $50 bills or $100 bills in the pushka. Where I am now, the big spenders put in a dollar. CTL, I take it you don’t get hordes of collectors in your shul. If I gave each of them a dollar, I’d reach maaser level without ever giving anything to a tzedaka that I know for sure is legitimate.
Was confused at the tone of the discussion, until I realised that in the States, paper money starts at the equivalent of 50 pence. In the UK, paper money starts at around 9 dollars. So I suppose our shul’s are a lot more jangly. So I suppose the level of annoyance at in-prayer banking is reduced over there. So that’s one thing I’ll concede our colonial cousins have over us, although we are still ahead in our political system, politicians, choice of national sport, choice of secondary sports, choice of head of state, health system, driving side, grammar and general command of the English language, and, I’m sure, numerous further details that will doubtless occur to me at a later date.
I don’t think I’ve seen a collector at our shul minyan in at least 3 years.
Collectors seem to prefer cities where they can hit multiple places in a day.
Takes too long to reach the hinterlands to collect from a small minyan.
Once a quarter, our pushke committee takes the funds and distributes them to reply to the assorted request letters received as well as the regulars.
Twenty years ago when I was still living in a Connecticut city with about 6 orthodox morning Minyanim visiting collectors were on the wane, maybe one every 8-10 weeks.
Stayed overnight in Brooklyn this week (Shevah Brochos for my daughter) and was besieged by collectors at both minyan and trying to ‘crash’ the Shevah Brochos at a hall. I had prepared for minyan and had 25 singles in my pants pocket (after what the chasunah cost me, big deal). The hosts of the Shevah Brochos arranged to have personnel at the entry to the hall who admitted only those on the invitations list. No ‘crashers’ of any type entered. The collectors were each sent away with a $5 bill.
although we are still ahead in our political system, politicians…
You clearly weren’t listening to the House of Commons this week.
Sent away with a $5 bill?
From a party people drove to in their multi-thousand dollar cars?
Or were driven to in limos?
Wearing multi-thousand dollars worth of finery?
And dining on the finest NYC has to offer the upper crust of kosher eaters?
While imbibing the sweet fragrance of exotic blooms and the effervescently bursting bubbles of bottles of bubbly?
Sniff …
Oh how fun it is to be judgmental!
Oh how fun it is to join the CR!
Wishing all a beautiful Chag celebrated in true cheirus!
Funny, when I saw the title of the thread, I automatically assumed that it was about people playing with their phones during Davening.
I have never had an experience similar to yours, TM, but I certainly can agree with your point. It’s one thing if a person is simply trying to get change; it’s quite another when they are keeping busy. (For the record, it is very easy to tell the difference, so anyone pretending to get change every day can just stop – you are not fooling anyone except yourself).
CTL, I think the word “class” in your first post is what came across as a bit arrogant (although I don’t think that was your intention).
NeutEu, only those who suffer an inferiority complex are consumed with comparison.
CTL
I know more about your personal life
Income
Friends
Shul
Home
Family
Politics
Religious Beliefs
Values
Lifestyle
than I know about my extended family members.
And I don’t even read many CR posts nowadays.
I find that interesting.
Golfer………
My post was about a Shevah Brochos, not a Chasunah. It was in a small hall, not a wedding palace. People mostly came straight from work in business clothing. I didn’t see a limo anywhere.
The hosts (not me) did not want crashers of any type. They planned food and drink for those invitees who responded they would attend. It was a private, invitation only event. Certainly a host is entitled to restrict entrance to invitees.
The host could have sent all potential crashers away empty handed, the fact that he gave the employees working the door a stack of $5 bills to distrubute was nice.
Catch yourself………….
My use of the word class has nothing to do with social status. It was short for classification.
There is a big difference from a minyan held in a shtiebel or beis medrash with tables than one held in a formal suburban synagogue with fixed pews, etc. It is not as free wheeling, everyone is expected to arrive on time. You won’t find latecomers giving a klop at the end of the service trying to get an extra Kaddish in.
It’s certainly different from a Yeshiva minyan with no women in the room.
I’ve attend all of these over the years and the expected behaviors and occurrences are different>no right or wrong, just different.
” the fact that he gave the employees working the door a stack of $5 bills to distrubute was nice.”
I bet the employees appreciated the gesture more than anyone else.
Good thing they weren’t given a stack of feivels.
But giving them a stack of feivels bills would have been okay.
I’m sure you give many feivel bills to tzedakah.
That is what I had assumed your intended meaning to be, and thanks for clarifying. My point was merely that the word class can be taken to connote more than simple classification in that context.
For the record, in the suburban synagogue where I often daven (which does have fixed pews, and where women often attend minyan during the week) the percentage of latecomers seems more or less the same as at the various other types of shuls, yeshivos, etc where I have davened over the years. It is true that in the suburban synagogue these latecomers are less likely to try to get an extra kaddish.
Catch………..
we generally don’t have latecomers to the daily minyan as 3 of us usually are the drivers who pick up the others making a 6:15 AM minyan and then many rush for the train to Manhattan.
I don’t know if the 7:30 minyan (which the shul rabbi attends) is composed of on time attendees.
CTL: I truly hope your wife is doing well. (Disclaimer: I’ve been reluctant to put this out there for a while and it’s probably a bit invasive, but seeing how this conversation has turned, I somehow feel the need to now more than previously.) The first thing that cropped up in my mind when you mentioned that your wife may need surgery was “Ayin hora”. Although it’s none of my business to say this, I think you should tone it down a bit. Nobody (so far) truly knows who you are here, so I don’t even know if Ayin Hora is even plausible (technically, your posts can all be made up fantasies) and yet I can’t keep from thinking along these lines. I don’t know your real life guests either, but there are usually those that are jealous as well.
And please, if you believe in this concept and have someone to turn to “lesh koilen” or something similar, seriously consider doing so. And no, I’m not a very superstitious person, but some things are hard to deny.
Besuros Tovos, and may everybody be happy and have what they need beruchnios and beGashmios.
A kosher and freilichen Peasach!
Catch Yourself:
Don’t worry, I’m not suffering from some trans-Atlantic inferiority complex, I simply seek to provoke, and perhaps entertain. Although I may concede that, with regard to our respective countries, I may have a slight superiority complex, borne of years of frustration with American influence on Britain’s once proud culture, and a generally unfavourable, if affectionate, view of many aspects of our colonial compadres.
Mammele………
Thanks for your concern.
Neither my wife or I are superstitious.
B”H her surgery was successful. She attended our daughter’s chasunah and all the accompanying festivities and participated fully.
I guess everyone has different tolerance levels but coin noise in shul does not bother me that much.
But I do have other pet peeves concerning rudeness and insensitivity to a shul holiness.
I’ll mention three: Not returning s’farim to the shelves; leaving your nasty dirty tissues on the table (even for a moment); bringing or wearing your coat in shul. You would hopefully not do any of these things in your own home; let alone in G-d’s home.
If it’s cold outside, how’d you come in without a coat? Should I take it off outside???
Little Froggie
Many shuls have coat rooms or coat racks to hang outer garments before entering the davening room.
cherrybim, what about talking in shul? Or the gabbai who feels compelled to shake the pushke vigorously every 10 seconds as he walks around during chazaras hashatz?
yehudayona….
see, a wall mounted pushke by the entry solves the gabbai shake and shuffle problem
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