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The Hoax known as man-made "Global Warming"

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  1. chachom
    Joseph

    A small forest of pulpwood has been clear-cut and thousands of keystrokes have been exhausted by the indispensable media heralds warning us about the looming catastrophe from manmade CO2. While in fact the global warming science is rather dubious and legitimate skeptics appear to be thinning (according to MIT professor Richard Lindzen WSJ Opinion Journal 4/12/06) -- intimidated, muzzled and shunned if they dare speak up-- how can serious debunkers of this new junk science get an audience? Well, don't bother. It doesn't really matter.

    Unlike some previous hysterical screeds, such as Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, long on deceptive compelling rhetoric but short on facts, which actually tolled millions of lives lost to malaria over 35 years as DDT was banned around the globe, this latest science fiction isn't likely to create such a tragic legacy. Curbing our appetite for burning fossil fuels may be a "good thing". No doubt Martha Stewart agrees.

    As hoaxes, deceptions and hyperbole go, this one may be the biggest and hardest to shake. Following a pattern from other panics, clever entrepreneurs and global corporations alike will make a handsome profit, some even obscene, employing the 16th century idiom "a fool and his money are soon parted." Of course government bureaucrats, never actually in danger of a recession or natural devastation affecting their lifetime employment, will have found another justification for tenure.

    Piltdown Man, a spectacular anthropological fossil remains hoax dating to 1912, debunked after 40 years of painstaking research, produced a generation of amateur archeologists who took up digging anywhere and everywhere. Shovel, pickaxe and brush companies had a bonanza. Land surveying became the hot new profession while geological surveys couldn't be reprinted fast enough.

    Remember the fears over nuclear annihilation in the 1950s? Fallout shelters were the rage in new construction. Jobs for masons skyrocketed and the makers of Portland cement and concrete blocks couldn't keep up with demand. Tin can manufacturers put on extra shifts to meet the orders from tuna fish and Spam processors, all needed for doomsday larders that were certain to come in handy, any day now.

    How many of the hundreds of thousands of computer programmers and IT geeks would have been on the street if it hadn't been for the fears of a repeat of the Last Days of Pompeii from the dreaded Y2K millennium virus? Meanwhile the hardware upgrades and new software firewalls contributed several basis points to GDP in 1999. Predictably, as soon as dawn broke on the new millennium, it was apparent that the world was safe from invading alien bits and bites. Without missing a beat, the Y2K consultants quickly retooled for the next end-of-the-world scenario, the SARS epidemic, and two years ago, the bird flu pandemic.

    A resurgence in building new nuclear generating capacity could sure cure the global warming blues in a hurry and restore the good name to an abandoned, disgraced profession. How many nuclear power engineers have been in hibernation, living under assumed names, selling insurance or working as greeters at WalMart since the last nuke plant was built over 30 years ago? It's time for nuclear power people to come out of the closet, restore the luster to a formerly respected line of work and rescue the planet.

    Finally, let's not forget the most important side benefit of the global warming circus-keeping Al Gore from another wind mill-tilting run at the Oval Office. Who could replace the pure entertainment value of his vein-popping, electrified hair, neuro-psychotic ventilations rivaling the 1935 hysterical shrieking of Elsa Manchester in the best horror film ever, "The Bride of Frankenstein"? And to think we will be treated by another one of his can't-miss performances during the upcoming US Senate hearings, Nobel prize acceptance ceremony and the Oscars.

    Where is the downside from reducing our dependence on oil from the Middle East ? Besides, now's the time to conserve and stockpile coal and crude oil for when it will really be needed-the coming ice age-due to reduced solar radiation. -- which is actually more plausible than any manmade climate shift. But that's another story.

    But what about having to endure the endless intellectual dishonesty from the global warming doomsayers? Look, don't let it ruin a good martini. Get over it.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. chachom:
    Global Warming has been proven to be caused by man. Why do you think it's a hoax?

    Check this out:
    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/10/31/arctic-antarctica-climate.html

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. Joseph
    the first

    I still recall when they were peddling "Global Cooling." After that fell through, Global Warming became the new leftist fad.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. feivel
    talmid

    where is that article from?

    the references to Spam (ground hog-meat) and martinis makes me surmise you didnt write this.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. feivel:
    Of course I didn't write that article! It comes from Discovery News - ever heard of Discovery Channel?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. oomis
    Inactive

    Always quote your sources - that's just good sense. The late author Michael Crichton
    believed strongly in what you posted and wrote a novel based on that exact premise. There was a great deal of scientific information interspersed with the fantasy, but at the core, much of it made sense. Of course, this WAS a novel (and dinosaurs are not being grown from ancient DNA, hopefully), but it did have some interesting points to ponder.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. feivel
    talmid

    my question was directed to the original poster

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. chachom
    Joseph

    Last year in the American Thinker.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. feivel:
    Oh. I assumed you meant my link - I didn't even read the original poster's article, just the name of the thread.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. Joseph
    the first

    gmab, do you always comment without reading the article, or just sometimes?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. Joseph:
    Rarely do I not read the article. But the thread's title sort of gave away the subject.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. yoshi
    Member

    Anything that sounds scary to people suddenly becomes a "hoax." Oh no, the boogy man is going to get you!

    p.s. Do your research, global warming is reality.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. anon for this
    Member

    Actually the only part of the article I agree with is that nuclear power is the way to go. It produces zero particulate emissions & no CO2. And if we build enough plants to bring the price of electricity down then electric cars would be a practical option to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

    But even there the author did not get his information correct. He wrote that no nuclear plant has been built in the past 30 years; actually Watts Bar Unit 1 was completed in 1996, and Unit 2 is under construction now, scheduled to be completed in 2013.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Joseph
    the first

    There is global warming and then there is "man-made" global warming. The idea that man can control climate and change what is in G-d's province, aside from being absurd, has been thoroughly discredited. We humans do not have any control over the climate. Period, end of discussion.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Joseph:
    That's like saying that a man can't burn down a forest because it's in HaShem's hands. Don't be silly.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. Joseph
    the first

    gmab, Hashem gave man power with fire and wood. Hashem did not give man power to change the weather (climate).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. anon for this
    Member

    Joseph, please give your source for the idea that Hashem did not give people power to change the climate.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. Bogen
    Joseph

    Believing that global warming is controlled by man is pure kefira (and shtuss).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. anon for this
    Member

    Why is it kefira to believe that people can affect the climate? Please give a source for this.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. Joseph:
    We do have the ability to impact the climate - if you light a bonfire, and stand near it, don't you feel the heat in the air? You have just temporarily altered the climate in the immediate area!

    Bogen:
    Perhaps you'd like to explain how believing in man-made global warming is heresy?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. mw13
    Member

    1) Isn't it ridiculous the same weathermen who can't reliably tell us if it'll rain in 2 days because global weather systems are so incredibly complicated, are now telling us that in 10 years it'll be exactly 57.92 degrees hotter than it is now?!

    2) Despite the left's doomsday predictions, no one really knows what earth's overall weather patterns actually are. According to modern day science there have been 4 ice ages in earth's history. No one knows what caused them, or how they disappeared.

    So when all's said and done, scientists need to do a lot more research into global weather patterns before they can begin to decree that the world is coming to an end.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. Will Hill
    Joseph

    mw13,

    The flimsy science behind global warming is a debunkable joke.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. Bentzy18
    Member

    Global warming doesn't bother me as much as the other toxins that we are constantly putting into the air and environment. I have faith that Hashem will protect the human race from destruction on a mass scale. The effects of global warming are still assumptions and are constantly being remodified. However, there is an increase of kids being born with severe allergies (does anyone here over 30 remember having any school going nut free?) ranging from food to airborne. (I.e. asthma).

    Also on a smaller scale, I have seen the affects of pollution in the air. Thankfully are cars are more efficient as well as give off, less pollution.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. jewishfeminist02
    jewishfeminist01 + jewishfeminist02

    "Isn't it ridiculous the same weathermen who can't reliably tell us if it'll rain in 2 days because global weather systems are so incredibly complicated, are now telling us that in 10 years it'll be exactly 57.92 degrees hotter than it is now!?"

    Where on earth did you get this data? Scientific research shows that the temperature has risen one degree in the past century. This is quite significant given the age of the universe and the rate at which temperatures have historically fluctuated, but no sane scientist would ever predict that the temperature will rise by tens of degrees in a mere decade. Furthermore, the calculations that do exist are nowhere near as precise as you make them out to be.

    99% of the scientific community (one has to allow for a few nutters) agree that global warming is fact, not hoax. The universe is steadily rising in temperature. They only disagree on its cause- whether or not the warming is human-induced. There is strong support for the position that it is, since temperatures spiked after the world was industrialized, but nevertheless there are a good number of scientists who disagree with this position.

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  25. Feif Un
    Proud Modern Orthodox

    There have been just as many studies showing that global warming is not caused by man, but they have been buried.
    Scientists say there was an ice age at one point. After that, temperatures obviously rose. Was that man-made global warming? No. The earth goes through different cycles, and this is just another one of them.

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  26. Joseph
    the first

    Global Warming, like Evolution, has become a false religion that if anyone dares disprove (which have easily and successfully been done on both counts) they are demagogued and viciously attacked by the adherents of these false religions (global warming and evolution.)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. jewishfeminist02
    jewishfeminist01 + jewishfeminist02

    If global warming and evolution are so "easy to disprove", why don't you show us some proof?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. SJSinNYC
    always pleasant

    Joseph, I once heard a really nice speech about how evolution fits nicely into Judaism (minus the man came from monkey). After all, evolution is all about adapatation - why couldnt Hashem have put the materials in place for evolution to take place?

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  29. Joseph
    the first

    jf02, disprove what? Show us some of your "proof" (if you have any -- which you do NOT), so we can disprove your so-called "proof."

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. 000646
    Member

    Joseph,
    Evolution has been proven as a fact from virtualy evrey branch of the natural sciences
    yes there ARE hundreds if not thousands of transitional fossils and there are plenty of cases of half devolped lungs,wings and eyes around today, please dont misqoute S.J. gould and others statements about Puncuated equlibrium that there arnt any, as these are taken completly out of context all these pepole are saying is that the amount of fossils found make the most sense according to there theory of P.E. all scientists even michael behe of the id movement (author of darwins black box) beleives in commen decent he just says that cetain systems such as the immune system and the bacteriel flagglem would need divine help as they are "irreducebly complex" and would only work when complete, after publishing a paper to this effect he was shown 54 diffrent papers on how the immune system could have evolved and also a large amount on the flagglem
    the only argument any that can be said against it is that maybe hashem planted all the proofs just yo test are faith.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  31. Will Hill
    Joseph

    jewishfeminist02, the burden of proof is upon you. YOU claim it exists, PROOF IT!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  32. 000646
    Member

    Joseph,
    Evolution has been proven as a fact from virtualy evrey branch of the natural sciences
    yes there ARE hundreds if not thousands of transitional fossils and there are plenty of cases of half devolped lungs,wings and eyes around today, please dont misqoute S.J. gould and others statements about Puncuated equlibrium that there arnt any, as these are taken completly out of context all these pepole are saying is that the amount of fossils found make the most sense according to there theory of P.E. all scientists even michael behe of the id movement (author of darwins black box) beleives in commen decent he just says that cetain systems such as the immune system and the bacteriel flagglem would need divine help as they are "irreducebly complex" and would only work when complete, after publishing a paper to this effect he was shown 54 diffrent papers on how the immune system could have evolved and also a large amount on the flagglem
    the only argument any that can be said against it is that maybe hashem planted all the proofs just yo test are faith.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  33. Will Hill
    Joseph

    jewishfeminist02, the burden of proof is upon you. YOU claim it exists, PROOF IT!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  34. eric55
    Member

    jewishfeminist02 first you have to show proof from any credible scientist that it is man made. so far there is none its called junk science, there is no conclusive study that proves it is. as far as a study disproving man made GW i'm not aware of any maybe there is maybe there isn't but what i know for sure is there's none that it is man made. so before they make the whole world crazy i think they should have a conclusive study first don't you think!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  35. 000646
    Member

    Joseph,
    please post some of your "proofs" against both evolution and global warming
    thank you.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  36. 000646
    Member

    The idea that there are no proofs that evolution happend is one that can only be said out of complete ignorance as it is one of the most well proven theorys of modern science from all fields independently.

    (even without the fossil evedence it would be apparent from observing simalaraties in D.N.A, stucture and behavior in living animals among other proofs.)

    Evolution has and is even being observed nowadays with animals changing colors, sizes and behavior!

    Some pepole try to say this is just Micro evolution but that macro evolution isnt possable however the fallacy of this argument is apparent when you realize the fact that if you were to make enough micro changes it would end up being a macro change,

    for example if you only bred the shortest elephents with the smallest trunks from each litter or if they for some reason or another lived and reproduced for longer in the wild for enough thousands of years untill they were the size of mice without trunks wich is what would happen if you kept making enough thousands (or millions or hundreds of millions) of "micro" changes to there body and trunk sizes there is no way they could be possibly called the same species and the only simalaritys would be on the dna or some resemblance in the skeleton to elephants that either werent bred this way or didnt have this pressure in the wild.

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  37. oomis
    Inactive

    I think there are other options as to how fossils come to be found. It may very well be s test of our emunah, that Hashem put them in the earth, as some have suggested. It may also be that The Flood completely macerated and altered the bones of living animals that perished in it, so as to make them unrecognizable as the species that they were and give them the appearance of elongation or shrinkage (as in certain dinosaurs). It is possible that both animals and people were a very different size from those which we know today with some animals being unusually large and human beings having extremely small stature. Also, maybe some of those animals were among those which had copulated unnaturally, and resulted in mutant creatures.

    We should ask ourselves why we are so concerned with whether or not these beings existed millions of years ago. Hashem could create and did create anything He so chose. Is it so hard to understand that His timeline and ours could be so very different? I have never had a problem with evolution, because I understand as something coming from within Brias Haolam. And btw, just ebcause science has various theories about the origins of life, does not mean that those theories are anything other than good educated guesses. Many theories once upon a time abounded, which have since proved to be incorrect.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  38. Global warming... Just answer these basic questions....
    1) Does Al Gore have a degree in ecology, geology, biology, zoology, herbology (or any other -ology that relates to plants, animals, Earth and humans?)
    2) If he does believe in it, why does he have a private plane, limos, mansions (how many??!!??!!) SUVs ect? He is destroying the enviorment every time he goes off to speak about protecting it! Why wont he use public transportation, commercial airlines...?
    3) Weren't they predicting a global-cooling from the 1940s-1970s because the average global temperature went down significantly? Weren't we heading towards a mini-ice age? Wait! Hold on there! CO2 emissions were skyrocketing then! So, as more was used, the colder it got! I got it! So by decreasing car usage ect our temperature is going down now- isn't that what they are saying?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  39. oomis (formerly "oomis1015"?):
    Yes, HaShem may test our emunah, but certainly not by way of deceit. If fossils clearly indicate the truth about evolution, then HaShem wouldn't put them there "just to test us."

    Posted 6 years ago #
  40. Joseph
    the first

    havesomeseichel, I remember the news still was crechtzing about scientist worrying about "Global Cooling" in the early '90's.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  41. 000646
    Member

    Oomis,

    I agree with you that evolution dosnt pose any problems to yiddishkeit but this theory is so well proven and makes so much sense that it is much much more then an educated guess, the theories that "once upon a time abounded" didnt have near this amount of proof

    To say it is not proven is just not true and qouting sicentists (such as s.j.gould) out of context is just dishonest, for some reason however both tactics are used all to often by well meaning pepole in books and speeches meant to strengthen emunah or do kiruv and it makes frum pepole seem ignorant and naive to many.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  42. jewishfeminist02
    jewishfeminist01 + jewishfeminist02

    Actually, the "burden of proof" is on Joseph for stating in the first place that both evolution and global warming could be "easily disproven". You initiated it; now you're challenging me?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  43. charliehall
    Member

    Global warming has occurred. Data even are posted on the internet for everyone to see.

    Whether global warming was mostly caused by human activity is a legitimate scientific question; the long term rise over the past 130 years is strongly correlated with human activity and there are not a lot of other explanations that haven't been ruled out.

    The big question is what to do about it. The conservative (small "c") approach would be to try to limit future human contribution because the potential rise in sea level from an ice sheet melt would be cataclysmic. A full melt of the Greenland Ice Sheet would raise sea level by about 7 meters worldwide, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has a similar volume.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  44. Wait a minute- let everyone prove their points and how the other one is wrong. Prove to us that there is such a thing as global warming and we'll show you that you're wrong. let's be fair about this and fight like adults and not those who say "you are a _________ if you disagree..." (please fill in the blank with your choice of: athiest, frei-thinker, close-minded....)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  45. jewishfeminist02
    jewishfeminist01 + jewishfeminist02

    "Prove to us that there is such a thing as global warming and we'll show you that you're wrong."

    If you've already drawn your conclusions, why should I bother showing you any proof?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  46. charliehall
    Member

    I can't prove it here because YWN doesn't accept outside links. There are plenty of internet sites that present graphs of temperature time series.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  47. Will Hill
    Joseph

    If anyone believes in the lies of manmade global warming or evolution, please prove it.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  48. 000646
    Member

    I have the same problem that charliehall has (not being able to post outside links) and the subject matter is to large to write all of the proofs in full on this forum however i will some ideas as bkitzer as i can,

    First of all evolution happens. We can see it. one example off the top of my head is domesticated dogs there is no such thing in the wild of most of the species of dogs that are domestic breeds simply because these breeds were "created" in captivity by slecting certain traits and breeding for them it only makes sense that in the wild certain traits would give a creature a better chance at survival and would cause them to develop more and more (kinda like the elephent example i gave in the earlier post except substitute the elephant for say a flying squirrel and the size of the trunk and body to the size of the "wings" (wich are in reality flaps of skin) and distance it can fly.) the argument that this is just "micro" evolution simply misses the point as enough "micro" changes will end up being a "macro" change

    second of all from the dna evidence:
    most of the dna strand in all animals is mostly the same this is extremly suggestive of commen ancestry

    third of all the fossil evidence

    we see layers of fossils without fail going from less complex to more complex, even one mammal skull in a place were they shouldnt have been evolved yet would disprove the theory and this has not happend once since they started discovering fossils
    there are tons of other proofs that can be found in most advanced biology books but are beyond my scope to write here

    Posted 6 years ago #
  49. mw13
    Member

  50. The Big One
    Joseph

    There was a dude Mr. Natan Slifkin who wrote some books that evolution happened.

    Almost all the Gedolim in both Eretz Yisroel and America deemed these books KEFIRA.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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