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The Israeli Settlers

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  1. Derech
    Joseph

    If the Israeli settlers are truly interested in settling in all parts of Eretz Yisroel, even if risking Jewish lives by doing so, why don't they as well settle in Southern Lebanon -- which is as much a part of Eretz Yisroel as Judea and Samaria?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. mdd
    Member

    Practically impossible.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Avi K
    Member

    Some areas are questionable. The Promised Land extends to the Euphrates and as far north as southern Turkey. However, no one considers them part of EY for settlement today. While some areas are definitely EY there is some connection to Jewish sovereignty. David considered himself to have made yerida when he went to Gat and the first Mishna in Gittin says that Acco was then considered the border.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. hershi
    Joseph

    What are the borders of halachic Eretz Yisroel?

    (Shmitta, Maaser, Teruma, etc.)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; semi-retarded; eccentric; perhaps a man; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily cynical.

    If the Israeli settlers are truly interested in settling in all parts of Eretz Yisroel, even if risking Jewish lives by doing so, why don't they as well settle in Southern Lebanon -- which is as much a part of Eretz Yisroel as Judea and Samaria?

    I don't understand. You say "if they are truly interested..." as if you think there is really a different motivation, which explains why not southern lebanon.

    Well, let's hear the other explanation.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. shein
    Joseph

    Their motivation is Israeli sovereignty, which they don't anticipate happening in the parts of Eretz Yisroel outside the State of Israel.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. AinOhdMilvado
    Member

    I think that both for the purpose of a more accurate translation, as well as for P.R. purposes, the term 'settlers' should be replaced.

    It is being used as a translation for the Hebrew מתנחלים.

    The word מתנחלים would be better translated as 'inheritors'.

    Aside from the fact that the word 'settlers' has taken on (though not true) the negative connotation of people settling on OTHER people's land, the term מתנחלים or inheritors, gives the message that the people live there by right of legitimate inheritance.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. AinOhdMilvado
    Member

    Derech...

    B'ezrat HaSh-m, with bee'as HaMashiach, the day will be coming soon when we WILL be settling in (what is now called) Lebanon too!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. WolfishMusings
    The Wolf

    If the Israeli settlers are truly interested in settling in all parts of Eretz Yisroel

    If American Jews are truly interested in the mitzvah of pidyon shevuyim, why don't they take up arms against the American government and storm the prisons where Jewish prisoners are kept?

    The Wolf

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. shein
    Joseph

    And (Trans-)Jordan and Syria too.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Loyal Jew
    Blocked

    In 1982, the Zionist rabbi Tzefaniah Drori paskened exactly so, Southern Lebanon is EY and appropriate for Jews to settle in. It never got started because everyone knew the army wouldn't allow it.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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